Zone1 Reparations debate

[Friends2]

Europeans were fighting each other at the same time.

So your post is dumb.

Europeans were not selling each other to Arab slave traders.

 

[USAF 2023]

Watch it happen.

Keep Dreaming Stop looking for handouts.

 

[Friends2]

The treasury won't be bankrupted.

We have already spend too much on anti poverty programs designed to help blacks. Those programs have not enabled poor blacks to become self supporting and law abiding tax payers. They have transformed millions of low income blacks into an unemployable underclass, the members of which supplements their welfare checks with the gains from criminal activities.

 

[USAF 2023]

Europeans were not selling each other to Arab slave traders.

The Slave trade actually started in Africa.

 

[Friends2]

The treasury won't be bankrupted.

The national debt is already 124% of the yearly gross domestic product.

US National Debt by Year

The U.S. national debt was over $31 trillion in 2022. In 1930, it was just $16 billion. The biggest impacts have been defense spending, recessions, and recently, the pandemic.

www.thebalancemoney.com

 

[DGS49]

The British actually did pay reparations when they abolished slavery. Read on.

Ponder the following: The Fifth Amendment states that,

"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

For those lacking any legal education, the expression, "...due process of law..." refers to an adversarial proceeding where both sides can be heard, and where some sort of equitable result is decreed, subject to appeal in a court of law. An example of "due process of law" would be the taking of real estate by the Sovereign under "eminent domain." The Sovereign takes the property and typically makes a lowball offer to the owner, and the property owner is entitled a hearing to determine the just compensation, which determination is subject to appeal to a higher court. Remember, the Sovereign cannot deprive any person of property without due process and compensation.

American chattel slaves were property, owned by their Masters. (Honest Abe was said to be troubled by this legal issue when he issued the Emancipation). By enacting the Thirteenth Amendment, the Sovereign deprived the slave owners of their property without due process of law. The fact that it was done by a Constitutional Amendment solved the Fifth Amendment problem, but there was no due process, and no compensation when the Sovereign took away the property of the slave owners. Clearly reparations were due to the slave owners, which were never paid.

The British DID compensate their former slave owners with reparations, a fact that became quite embarrassing to former English Prime Minister David Cameron, much of whose family fortune traced back to those reparations.

Britain's colonial shame: Slave-owners given huge payouts after abolition

By Sanchez Manning — David Cameron's ancestors were among the wealthy families who received generous reparation payments that would be worth millions of pounds in today's money

reparationscomm.org

As for compensating the slaves themselves, the myth of an offer of "40 Acres and a mule" to freed slaves remains abroad, but its origins are very questionable. It was never seriously made by anyone with the authority to make it a reality.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

This revolutionary idea became a failed promise to freed slaves after the Civil War.

www.pbs.org

This many generations removed from the emancipation of American slaves, neither the slave owners nor the slaves can be identified adequately to make any rational offer - or to pay for it. As stated above, it might or should be adequate to note that American Blacks are more prosperous and enjoy more meaningful benefits than their counterparts in any other country in the world, especially in sub-Saharan Africa. Count your blessings - not your gripes.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

Yes, and the innocent J6 "insurrectionists" ARE NOT GETTING ANY DUE PROCESS!!!

 

[presonorek]

I say we give every person $28 and end the discussion once and for all. Does that sound fair?

 

[IM2]

The national debt is already 124% of the yearly gross domestic product.

US National Debt by Year

The U.S. national debt was over $31 trillion in 2022. In 1930, it was just $16 billion. The biggest impacts have been defense spending, recessions, and recently, the pandemic.

www.thebalancemoney.com

We would not have a ntional debt if not for white racism.

 

[IM2]

The British actually did pay reparations when they abolished slavery. Read on.

Ponder the following: The Fifth Amendment states that,

"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

For those lacking any legal education, the expression, "...due process of law..." refers to an adversarial proceeding where both sides can be heard, and where some sort of equitable result is decreed, subject to appeal in a court of law. An example of "due process of law" would be the taking of real estate by the Sovereign under "eminent domain." The Sovereign takes the property and typically makes a lowball offer to the owner, and the property owner is entitled a hearing to determine the just compensation, which determination is subject to appeal to a higher court. Remember, the Sovereign cannot deprive any person of property without due process and compensation.

American chattel slaves were property, owned by their Masters. (Honest Abe was said to be troubled by this legal issue when he issued the Emancipation). By enacting the Thirteenth Amendment, the Sovereign deprived the slave owners of their property without due process of law. The fact that it was done by a Constitutional Amendment solved the Fifth Amendment problem, but there was no due process, and no compensation when the Sovereign took away the property of the slave owners. Clearly reparations were due to the slave owners, which were never paid.

The British DID compensate their former slave owners with reparations, a fact that became quite embarrassing to former English Prime Minister David Cameron, much of whose family fortune traced back to those reparations.

Britain's colonial shame: Slave-owners given huge payouts after abolition

By Sanchez Manning — David Cameron's ancestors were among the wealthy families who received generous reparation payments that would be worth millions of pounds in today's money

reparationscomm.org

As for compensating the slaves themselves, the myth of an offer of "40 Acres and a mule" to freed slaves remains abroad, but its origins are very questionable. It was never seriously made by anyone with the authority to make it a reality.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

This revolutionary idea became a failed promise to freed slaves after the Civil War.

www.pbs.org

This many generations removed from the emancipation of American slaves, neither the slave owners nor the slaves can be identified adequately to make any rational offer - or to pay for it. As stated above, it might or should be adequate to note that American Blacks are more prosperous and enjoy more meaningful benefits than their counterparts in any other country in the world, especially in sub-Saharan Africa. Count your blessings - not your gripes.

Wrong. The government is paying federal dollars to Native American tribes each year. So le'ts drop the excuses. Because we can start after slavery and do the tally. Furthermore, studies have been done showing what blacks have lost in this century due to continuing racism So the slavery argument used as an excuse has no merit.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Europeans were not selling each other to Arab slave traders.

Nope, the Europeans were fighting the Arab slave raiders. You can still see the fortifications on the Mediterranean and Adriatic coasts.

 

[ninja007]

The treasury won't be bankrupted.

lol, 50 years late...

 

[presonorek]

lol, 50 years late...

Nah. We can still afford the interest payments for now.

 

[Friends2]

We would not have a ntional debt if not for white racism.

The tax revolt that began in 1978 with the passing of Proposition 13 in California, and which got Reagan elected and re elected may be seen as a draft riot against the War on Poverty. By the late 1970 most whites did not want their tax money to be spent helping blacks. We still don't. That is why there will never be racial reparations.

Reagan owed his popularity to hostility toward blacks. He began his 1980 campaign at a town in Mississippi where four civil rights activists had been murdered. The killers were acquited. Reagan's speech was about the need for states' rights. When Reagan talked about the Welfare Queen of Chicago and "strapping young buck buying t bone steak with food stamps," white folks knew what race they belonged to.

 

[Man of Ethics]

I am not African American -- I can not judge this issue.


I have seen Reparations paid to descendants of Russian Serfs. All old houses in central regions of St. Petersburg (Leningrad) belonged to nobles prior to 1918. Then they were given to descendants of Serfs. A typical noble family had a 8-room apartment in 1915. Such apartment could accommodate 8 working families in 1925.


I am proud of my great-grandparents who worked to build Soviet Russia. As a Jew I am proud of Leon Trotsky. Totalitarianism came when Jews were displaced.

 

[Lisa558]

We have already spend too much on anti poverty programs designed to help blacks. Those programs have not enabled poor blacks to become self supporting and law abiding tax payers. They have transformed millions of low income blacks into an unemployable underclass, the members of which supplements their welfare checks with the gains from criminal activities.

There really should have been an end date on LBJ’s welfare program -perhaps 25 years, max. That means people who had kids they couldn’t afford would have had help from other people for their kids’ entire childhood, and then those kids could have worked part-time jobs to pay for community college and learn some sort of vocation.

Instead, we have the opposite. People who have gotten welfare for generations are now asking for MORE, MORE, MORE via “reparations.”

 

[sealybobo]

Identity Politics and the Reparations Debate

The summer royal tour of the Caribbean and the death of Queen Elizabeth have provoked debates about the participation of Britain in the transatlantic slave trade. Following the queen’s funeral on September 19, CNN host Don Lemon, in an in...

www.americanthinker.com

the lefties have shall we say not been totally accurate in their historical view.

After WW2 Joe Jouis tried to get a Ford Dealership in Chicago. Because he was black, he was denied one. He died broke.

Max Schmelling was given a Coca Cola dealership. He died rich and his kids were left a fortune.

This is a perfect example of why reparations are necessary.

 

[TheParser]

Most Americans no doubt know that "reparations" have already been paid to African Americans.

1. It started in the 1960s with affirmative action.

2. Today they are accepted into top universities without any academic requirements.

3. Many employers publicly and proudly have a quota system that ensures a certain number of jobs for African Americans.

4. African Americans are the most numerous ethnicity in TV commercials.

5. African American looters are never prosecuted, and most companies have an official policy of ignoring shoplifters. (Walmart has announced that it may close some stores.)

6. And -- as another contributor to this thread pointed out -- African Americans are the envy of billions (billions!) of people in the developing world.

 

[sealybobo]

Most Americans no doubt know that "reparations" have already been paid to African Americans.

1. It started in the 1960s with affirmative action.

2. Today they are accepted into top universities without any academic requirements.

3. Many employers publicly and proudly have a quota system that ensures a certain number of jobs for African Americans.

4. African Americans are the most numerous ethnicity in TV commercials.

5. African American looters are never prosecuted, and most companies have an official policy of ignoring shoplifters. (Walmart has announced that it may close some stores.)

6. And -- as another contributor to this thread pointed out -- African Americans are the envy of billions (billions!) of people in the developing world.

I like it that you say they get reparations through shoplifting. LOL.

 

[whoisit]

When will Agrica pay for their part in slavery? They have been enslaving their own and others since time began. As have all tribes on earth.
The persecution by many blacks on blacks is horrible. Like 'tire necklaces by Minnie Mandella or drawings of ancient blacks tiring arm, leg on both sides to three's then cutting the tree and splitting them apart. All man can be very evil, period.