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Rep. Massie Blasts Trump's Iran Warning
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That’s not war.
Using military isn’t always war or even an act of war
The strike on Irans nuclear program was a defensive attack…it also ended the 12 day Iran-Israel war and keep it from expanding and threatening more lives.
And the arrest of the indicted narcoterrorist illegitimate dictator was a law enforcement act
Maduro was not the legit leader of Venezuela. He lost the election of 2024 and was holding power through his cartel and by oppression
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Taz, I Believe that America, and Other Nations, could Assist the Protestors, in many ways, other than Trump threatening attacks upon Iran, if they fire upon the Protestors.
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"That’s not war."
"war
1 of 4noun
ˈwȯr
often attributive
Synonyms of war
1
a(1)
: a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations
(2)
: a period of such armed conflict
(3)
: state of war
b
: the art or science of warfare
c(1)
obsolete : weapons and equipment for war
(2)
archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war
2
a
: a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism
b
: a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end
a class war
a war against disease"
Definition of WAR
You'll have to argue with Merriam-Webster, as well as those who were on the "Receiving End" of the Bombs & Missiles.
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"The strike on Irans nuclear program was a defensive attack"
Not True,..... The Iranians have not yet reached the point of building their own bomb, although,..... There have been rumors of their having obtained one from Pakistan.
To "Justify" a "Pre-emptive Strike" on Iran, The Trump Admin would have to publicly present Solid Proof of Iran physically placing a Nuke/WMD Weapon on a Missile(s), with the undeniable stated intention of striking America. And..... War would have to be Declared on Iran.
Have You not considered the Irony & Lunacy involved in all of this that Trump has done when the Hard Core Fact exists, of Russia, & China, possibly even N. Korea have ICBMs with Nuclear Warheads, that could be unleashed upon America at any moment?!?
Using the Mindset of "striking Iran",.... Would You accept TRump launching "Pre-emptive Strikes" on Russia, Chian, & N. Korea?!?
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Cool. I love it.
Yeah we aren’t at any time or place in open and declared armed conflict with either country"That’s not war."
"war
1 of 4
noun
ˈwȯr
often attributive
Synonyms of war
1
a(1)
: a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations
(2)
: a period of such armed conflict
(3)
: state of war
b
: the art or science of warfare
c(1)
obsolete : weapons and equipment for war
(2)
archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war
2
a
: a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism
b
: a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end
a class war
a war against disease"
Definition of WAR
You'll have to argue with Merriam-Webster, as well as those who were on the "Receiving End" of the Bombs & Missiles.
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"The strike on Irans nuclear program was a defensive attack"
Not True,..... The Iranians have not yet reached the point of building their own bomb, although,..... There have been rumors of their having obtained one from Pakistan.
To "Justify" a "Pre-emptive Strike" on Iran, The Trump Admin would have to publicly present Solid Proof of Iran physically placing a Nuke/WMD Weapon on a Missile(s), with the undeniable stated intention of striking America. And..... War would have to be Declared on Iran.
Have You not considered the Irony & Lunacy involved in all of this that Trump has done when the Hard Core Fact exists, of Russia, & China, possibly even N. Korea have ICBMs with Nuclear Warheads, that could be unleashed upon America at any moment?!?
Using the Mindset of "striking Iran",.... Would You accept TRump launching "Pre-emptive Strikes" on Russia, Chian, & N. Korea?!?
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Regime Change & Nation-Building Are Back!
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As was the case the morning after “Shock and Awe” signaled the start of the Iraq war, many are cheering the US military raid on Venezuela and capture of its president, Nicolas Maduro. Overwhelming US military power – and likely some bribed Venezuelan officials – ensured that the operation was swift and dramatic.
This was not a war, we were told. It was just a surgical operation to remove a criminal dictator and restore democracy to the country. American oil companies would soon get even richer exploiting the country’s vast oil reserves. This time it will be different!
If all of this sounds familiar, that’s because it is the same narrative used each time the US has launched a “regime change” operation this century.
The Iraq war would be a “cake walk,” they swore. Skeptics were ridiculed. The staged demolition of the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad marked the triumph of that short US military operation.
The “liberation” of Iraq was to be the first domino in the coming revolution throughout the Middle East, we were promised. Just weeks into the operation, then-President George W. Bush landed on an aircraft carrier with a huge “Mission Accomplished” banner behind him.
Then everything fell apart. The US could not “run” Iraq. It could only use brutal force – and torture – to give the impression that we would soon turn the corner. Victory was at hand. Just send more troops and spend a little more money.
But none of it did the trick. None of it worked.
In the end, the US sank trillions into the failed “nation-building” operation in Iraq and upwards of a million people died, including thousands of US troops.
And here we go again.
Despite being elected on promises of “no new wars” and “no nation-building,” President Trump used military force against Venezuela, kidnapped the country’s president, and declared that “we” would be running the country from now on.
After the operation in Venezuela, President Trump took a “Mission Accomplished” victory lap of his own in a press conference where he declared that US oil companies would return to Venezuela under US protection and that we would “run” Venezuela for the time being.
“The oil companies are going to spend money… we are going to get reimbursed,” he said.
But there’s more to come.
President Trump’s Venezuela raid and kidnapping occurred just as Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu was departing the country. According to press reports, Netanyahu was in town to persuade President Trump to send the US military back into Iran. Israeli officials have openly stated that the US operation in Venezuela is the warm-up for the next round of US “regime change” – in Iran.
Warmongering US Senator Lindsey Graham has taken to the television news programs to urge President Trump to continue on to Cuba and then Iran. President Trump seemed to agree, stating that, “we have to do it again. We can do it again, too. Nobody can stop us.”
Venezuela was just another neocon operation. First comes propaganda demonizing the country and its leadership. Then comes saber-rattling and threats of war. The operation is launched and the “objectives” are quickly reached. Or so they claim. But then it all falls apart. We become poorer as the special interests get richer. And those we claim to be liberating suffer worse than under the previous regime.
Will we ever learn?
Article posted with permission from Ron Paul
Regime Change & Nation-Building Are Back! » Sons of Liberty Media
As was the case the morning after “Shock and Awe” signaled the start of the Iraq war, many are cheering the US military raid on Venezuela and capture of its president, Nicolas Maduro. Overwhelming US military power – and likely some bribed Venezuelan officials – ensured that the operation was...
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Iran used to be a cosmopolitan hub, it's been driven way backwards and isolated by the Mullahs. The Persians I know are very nice people, smart, family oriented, good sense of humor. 'Course they're all over here but they don't like the Mullahs very much. I don't know any pro-Mullah Persians.
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Trumps policy is the promotion of trump. If the mullahs slip him a few buvks he will go away.At the rate that he's going, Trump is going drag America into World War Three!!!
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by Tyler Durden
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"First it was over the White House's Venezuela policy, but now conservative and contrarian libertarian-leaning firebrand Rep. Thomas Massie is lashing out at President Trump over his fresh Iran warning and ultimatum.
Amid the nearly weeklong economic and anti-government protests in Iran, Trump added fuel to the fire on Friday, stating on Truth Social that if Iran shoots and "violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue."
Massie and Trump have frequently clashed over the past year. File image
This sounded to many like threat of regime change in another Middle East capital - though Trump might be thinking of other 'options' such as more sanctions and efforts to further isolate the Islamic Republic on the world stage.
Massie on Friday in response listed three points as a counter to and critique of Trump: "We have problems at home and shouldn’t be wasting military resources on another country’s internal affairs," Massie wrote on X.
He said that second, "Military strikes on Iran require Congressional authorization." He followed with the final criticism of, "This threat isn’t about freedom of speech in Iran; it’s about the dollar, oil, and Israel" - while reposting Trump's original message.
Massie has long been a thorn in the side of Trump's latest foreign policy adventures, and the Republican from Kentucky along with Sen. Rand Paul has a significant following among Trump's MAGA base.
He indeed gives voice to the growing viewpoint that Trump should stick to his campaign promises and not allow the United States military to be the "police force of the world".
Journalist Glenn Greenwald has meanwhile also called"
Rep. Massie Blasts Trump's Iran Warning: "We Have Problems At Home"<!-- --> | ZeroHedge
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Massie and Trump have frequently clashed over the past year. File imageThen why haven’t they?
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I Wonder if enough $$$$ were offered too him, if he would do that.
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Yet another illegal war started by a Republican president – the Trump regime’s attempt to deflect from Epstein and its other failures, crimes, and corruption.At the rate that he's going, Trump is going drag America into World War Three!!!
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by Tyler Durden
Authored...
"First it was over the White House's Venezuela policy, but now conservative and contrarian libertarian-leaning firebrand Rep. Thomas Massie is lashing out at President Trump over his fresh Iran warning and ultimatum.
Amid the nearly weeklong economic and anti-government protests in Iran, Trump added fuel to the fire on Friday, stating on Truth Social that if Iran shoots and "violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue."
This sounded to many like threat of regime change in another Middle East capital - though Trump might be thinking of other 'options' such as more sanctions and efforts to further isolate the Islamic Republic on the world stage.
Massie on Friday in response listed three points as a counter to and critique of Trump: "We have problems at home and shouldn’t be wasting military resources on another country’s internal affairs," Massie wrote on X.
He said that second, "Military strikes on Iran require Congressional authorization." He followed with the final criticism of, "This threat isn’t about freedom of speech in Iran; it’s about the dollar, oil, and Israel" - while reposting Trump's original message.
Massie has long been a thorn in the side of Trump's latest foreign policy adventures, and the Republican from Kentucky along with Sen. Rand Paul has a significant following among Trump's MAGA base.
He indeed gives voice to the growing viewpoint that Trump should stick to his campaign promises and not allow the United States military to be the "police force of the world".
Journalist Glenn Greenwald has meanwhile also called"
Rep. Massie Blasts Trump's Iran Warning: "We Have Problems At Home"<!-- --> | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
A war unauthorized by Congress again reflects Trump’s contempt for democratic norms.
One of the few things I was willing to give Trump credit for, in his first term, was staying out of these kinds of "foreign entanglements". But now it seems he just hadn't got around to it yet. He's all in now.
And of course his slackjawed mob doesn't even recognize the reversal: "We've always been at war with Eurasia!"
And of course his slackjawed mob doesn't even recognize the reversal: "We've always been at war with Eurasia!"
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Massie needs to be replaced with a real Republican.At the rate that he's going, Trump is going drag America into World War Three!!!
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by Tyler Durden
Authored...
"First it was over the White House's Venezuela policy, but now conservative and contrarian libertarian-leaning firebrand Rep. Thomas Massie is lashing out at President Trump over his fresh Iran warning and ultimatum.
Amid the nearly weeklong economic and anti-government protests in Iran, Trump added fuel to the fire on Friday, stating on Truth Social that if Iran shoots and "violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue."
This sounded to many like threat of regime change in another Middle East capital - though Trump might be thinking of other 'options' such as more sanctions and efforts to further isolate the Islamic Republic on the world stage.
Massie on Friday in response listed three points as a counter to and critique of Trump: "We have problems at home and shouldn’t be wasting military resources on another country’s internal affairs," Massie wrote on X.
He said that second, "Military strikes on Iran require Congressional authorization." He followed with the final criticism of, "This threat isn’t about freedom of speech in Iran; it’s about the dollar, oil, and Israel" - while reposting Trump's original message.
Massie has long been a thorn in the side of Trump's latest foreign policy adventures, and the Republican from Kentucky along with Sen. Rand Paul has a significant following among Trump's MAGA base.
He indeed gives voice to the growing viewpoint that Trump should stick to his campaign promises and not allow the United States military to be the "police force of the world".
Journalist Glenn Greenwald has meanwhile also called"
Rep. Massie Blasts Trump's Iran Warning: "We Have Problems At Home"<!-- --> | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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The Iranian regime is looking for leaders. Here's your opportunity.
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When One "Truthfully looks at the Full Picture", that has been developing over many decades, ,..... In My Strong Belief,...The Democrats, & Republicans are both Equally Guilty of of Falsely creating, Promoting, & Supporting "Constitutionally Illegal, & Unjustified War".
Simply put, & "Metaphorically",.... We are ruled by a Hand, and We get to vote for either the palm, or back side of the hand. The obvious problem is,.... It remains a hand, & continues to act as a hand.
And,... Rightfully, the Democrats, & Republicans should be called the "Uni-party", for although things look, & sound somewhat different, with whoever is in power,..... Their long term Goals, are achieved.
/—-/ Did ya notice the women in Iran are thanking Trump and not Biden, Harris or RINOs?I Stand with Thomas Massie, Rand Paul, and Marjorie Taylor Greene, concerning what Trump has done!
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"Massie has long been a thorn in the side of Trump's latest foreign policy adventures, and the Republican from Kentucky along with Sen. Rand Paul has a significant following among Trump's MAGA base.
He indeed gives voice to the growing viewpoint that Trump should stick to his campaign promises and not allow the United States military to be the "police force of the world".
Rep. Massie Blasts Trump's Iran Warning: "We Have Problems At Home"<!-- --> | ZeroHedge
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