Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condos??

[Penelope]

Should Congress Let Wealthy Foreigners Buy Green Cards?

Each year, America grants green cards to 10,000 rich investors, the vast majority of whom are Chinese. Is this program creating enough jobs to warrant its continuation?

The massive $20 billion Hudson Yards project is one of the nation’s biggest development efforts. When it’s completed on New York’s west side, it will have have 5,000 apartments, six skyscrapers, and pneumatic tubes for trash disposal. And one more feature of the project: It has paved the way for the green cards of about 1,200 Chinese millionaires.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/should-congress-let-wealthy-foreigners-buy-citizenship/406432/

It was originally scheduled to sunset on April 28, 2017, but was extended with the omnibus spending bill that funded the government for the first half year of the Trump presidency.

Looking Into The Crystal Ball At The EB-5 Investor Immigration Program And Trump's Raise Act

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I'm sure this is what merit means, ability to buy expensive apts and condos. Money can buy you anything , even citizenship.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

As it is many Chinese rich kids are here in the US going to college.

Think about it.

 

[Penelope]

60% of the wealthy inherit their money, the rest of us work to have a little slice of the American pie (and its becoming smaller),

remember when and probably is still happening many 50 years olds were training Indians for their jobs?? If you do not remember ,its true.

This is GOP. Now they say we need more skilled labor, is that you ( a citizen ) , or a Indian ??

They are coming to take your job.
US H-1B visa for specialty workers

(oh no, chain migration)
Family & Dependants
H-1B visa holders can bring their spouse and children under 21 years of age to the US under the H-4 Visa category as dependents. An H4 Visa holder is allowed to remain in the US as long as the H-1B visa holder remains in legal status. While, an H-4 visa holder is not eligible to work in the US unless able to come under a non, they may attend school, obtain a driver's license and open a bank account while in the US.

 

[gipper]

The wealthy in this country have ALWAYS obtained a different level of justice and benefits. This is nothing new and it certainly isn't partisan. You went off the rails by blaming Rs. Both parties are equally guilty.

That said, would you rather have wealthy foreigners obtaining green cards or poor people who use the massive US welfare system? I suspect you prefer the later, since the poor are more likely to vote D.

 

[Penelope]

The wealthy in this country have ALWAYS obtained a different level of justice and benefits. This is nothing new and it certainly isn't partisan. You went off the rails by blaming Rs. Both parties are equally guilty.

That said, would you rather have wealthy foreigners obtaining green cards or poor people who use the massive US welfare system? I suspect you prefer the later, since the poor are more likely to vote D.

I'm retired , I don't care. Its a fallacy immigrants use the welfare system. Yes I prefer the later, I don't want America to become the haves and have not, like its becoming. The wealth discrepancy is going to increase.

Talk about the welfare capital of the US, look no further than the Hasidic Jews of NY , and that is also the baby boom area.

The poorest county in the US is white.
Jim Webb says poorest U.S. counties are in Appalachia and 90 percent white (white)

 

[Disir]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

 

[Penelope]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

 

[miketx]

Should Congress Let Wealthy Foreigners Buy Green Cards?

Each year, America grants green cards to 10,000 rich investors, the vast majority of whom are Chinese. Is this program creating enough jobs to warrant its continuation?

The massive $20 billion Hudson Yards project is one of the nation’s biggest development efforts. When it’s completed on New York’s west side, it will have have 5,000 apartments, six skyscrapers, and pneumatic tubes for trash disposal. And one more feature of the project: It has paved the way for the green cards of about 1,200 Chinese millionaires.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/should-congress-let-wealthy-foreigners-buy-citizenship/406432/

It was originally scheduled to sunset on April 28, 2017, but was extended with the omnibus spending bill that funded the government for the first half year of the Trump presidency.

Looking Into The Crystal Ball At The EB-5 Investor Immigration Program And Trump's Raise Act

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I'm sure this is what merit means, ability to buy expensive apts and condos. Money can buy you anything , even citizenship.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

As it is many Chinese rich kids are here in the US going to college.

Think about it.

Why would we want poor foreignors here with no marketable skills that will drain resources? We aren't stupid liberals!

 

[Lewdog]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Did you have a wet dream last night?

Maybe it is still on your mind.

 

[Penelope]

Gee, looks like Red States.
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Highest percentage of people below the poverty line:

• Shannon County, S.D., 49.5 percent
  
  
• Clay County, Ga., 47.7 percent
  
  
• East Carroll Parish, La., 44.9 percent
  
  
• Sioux County, N.D., 44.8 percent
  
  
• Todd County, S.D., 44.6 percent
  
  
• Hudspeth County, Texas, 42.7 percent
  
  
• Holmes County, Miss., 42.6 percent
  
  
• Corson County, S.D., 41.7 percent
  
  
• Wolfe County, Ky., 41.4 percent
  
  
• Humphreys County, Miss., 41.2 percent
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• Jim Webb says poorest U.S. counties are in Appalachia and 90 percent white
• 
  

 

[Lewdog]

Gee, looks like Red States.
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Highest percentage of people below the poverty line:

• Shannon County, S.D., 49.5 percent
  
  
• Clay County, Ga., 47.7 percent
  
  
• East Carroll Parish, La., 44.9 percent
  
  
• Sioux County, N.D., 44.8 percent
  
  
• Todd County, S.D., 44.6 percent
  
  
• Hudspeth County, Texas, 42.7 percent
  
  
• Holmes County, Miss., 42.6 percent
  
  
• Corson County, S.D., 41.7 percent
  
  
• Wolfe County, Ky., 41.4 percent
  
  
• Humphreys County, Miss., 41.2 percent
• 
  
• Jim Webb says poorest U.S. counties are in Appalachia and 90 percent white

In 2015 McCreary County Kentucky was the poorest county in the entire U.S. I live right next to it.

 

[Disir]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Did you have a wet dream last night?

Maybe it is still on your mind.

Ummm.......wet dreams are a guy thing. I have a coffee deficiency.

 

[Lewdog]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Did you have a wet dream last night?

Maybe it is still on your mind.

Ummm.......wet dreams are a guy thing. I have a coffee deficiency.

Sorry I don't know if you are a man or a woman. I do know you aren't Gilda Radner. She's dead.

 

[Disir]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

Did you want me to rage against Kushner's sisters or address the issues as stated? You have framed the issue in a manner that doesn't address the problems. The issue of the wealthy coming from different countries came up before and the response from the Democratic Party and the Republican Party was they loved it. Had no intention of changing it. They became defensive of it.

 

[Disir]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Did you have a wet dream last night?

Maybe it is still on your mind.

Ummm.......wet dreams are a guy thing. I have a coffee deficiency.

Sorry I don't know if you are a man or a woman. I do know you aren't Gilda Radner. She's dead.

Damn. My cover's blown.

 

[Penelope]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

Did you want me to rage against Kushner's sisters or address the issues as stated? You have framed the issue in a manner that doesn't address the problems. The issue of the wealthy coming from different countries came up before and the response from the Democratic Party and the Republican Party was they loved it. Had no intention of changing it. They became defensive of it.

You can address either or? it all the same. Trump has extended the policy due to the more rich that come here the more he and his family apts get rented and the more that can afford his golf courses.

Its pay for play for the elites. When has it come up before? It started as a way to address more jobs, we do not have a job problem now. It has been found there are ways to work the system. For someone to hire 10 people, well most of the elites have 10 employees anyway.

 

[Lewdog]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

Did you want me to rage against Kushner's sisters or address the issues as stated? You have framed the issue in a manner that doesn't address the problems. The issue of the wealthy coming from different countries came up before and the response from the Democratic Party and the Republican Party was they loved it. Had no intention of changing it. They became defensive of it.

You can address either or? it all the same. Trump has extended the policy due to the more rich that come here the more he and his family apts get rented and the more that can afford his golf courses.

Its pay for play for the elites. When has it come up before? It started as a way to address more jobs, we do not have a job problem now. It has been found there are ways to work the system. For someone to hire 10 people, well most of the elites have 10 employees anyway.

What is it? I think I read somewhere if you invest $200,000 you can get a green card?

 

[Lewdog]

"Originally, an applicant coming into the United States to start a business on an E-2 work visa has to invest a certain amount of money. Although there’s no minimum amount, generally I like to suggest investing $200,000 USD and creating five positions for employees over the course of five years to get the applicant the E-2."

5 Ways To Convert An E-2 Visa Into A Green Card.

 

[Disir]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

Did you want me to rage against Kushner's sisters or address the issues as stated? You have framed the issue in a manner that doesn't address the problems. The issue of the wealthy coming from different countries came up before and the response from the Democratic Party and the Republican Party was they loved it. Had no intention of changing it. They became defensive of it.

You can address either or? it all the same. Trump has extended the policy due to the more rich that come here the more he and his family apts get rented and the more that can afford his golf courses.

Its pay for play for the elites. When has it come up before? It started as a way to address more jobs, we do not have a job problem now. It has been found there are ways to work the system. For someone to hire 10 people, well most of the elites have 10 employees anyway.

There were multiple articles written covering the pay to play crap and if I get home at a decent hour then I will hunt them down. I believe we discussed it here before as well.

We do have a job problem. That's why it is still a primary issue. The misconception is that mass immigration take the entry level jobs and citizens move up the ladder. That isn't what happens. We have a track record that shows that is not how it plays out.

 

[Penelope]

https://www.uschamber.com/sites/def...files/022851_mythsfacts_2016_report_final.pdf

MYTH: Undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes.

FACT: Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes each year.

Undocumented immigrants pay sales taxes, just like every other consumer in the United States. Undocumented immigrants also pay property taxes—even if they rent housing. More than half of undocumented immigrants have federal and state income, Social Security, and Medicare taxes automatically deducted from their paychecks. However, undocumented immigrants working “on the books” are not eligible for any of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help to fund.74 As a result, undocumented immigrants provide an enormous subsidy to the Social Security system in particular. Each year, Social Security taxes are withheld from billions of dollars in wages earned by workers whose names and Social Security numbers do not match the records of the Social Security Administration (SSA). According to the SSA, undocumented immigrants paid $13 billion in payroll taxes into the Social Security Trust Funds in 2010 alone.75

Tax payments by undocumented immigrants and their families are also sizable at the state and local levels. The Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) estimates that households headed by undocumented immigrants paid $11.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2013. That included just under $1.1 billion in personal income taxes, $3.6 billion in property taxes, and more than $6.9 billion in sales and excise taxes. The states with


the largest tax contributions headed by undocumented immigrants were California ($3.2 billion), Texas ($1.5 billion), New York ($1.1 billion), Illinois ($743.3 million), and Florida ($588 million).76

 

[Penelope]

I don't think I have had enough coffee. I keep reading the title as Remember when Kushners family was in China selling condoms. Clearly today was brought to you by the letter M.

So I ask you:
Would you rather immigrants to take the entrance level jobs, and you rise up, (I am talking legal) or do you want on highly skilled whites here or the wealthy.

Neither; that isn't how it plays out and there is a track record here that demonstrates that; however, I am aware that this is happening and it presented an issue last year but both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party became defensive.

Kushners sisters were in China trying to sell apts this summer.

Did you want me to rage against Kushner's sisters or address the issues as stated? You have framed the issue in a manner that doesn't address the problems. The issue of the wealthy coming from different countries came up before and the response from the Democratic Party and the Republican Party was they loved it. Had no intention of changing it. They became defensive of it.

You can address either or? it all the same. Trump has extended the policy due to the more rich that come here the more he and his family apts get rented and the more that can afford his golf courses.

Its pay for play for the elites. When has it come up before? It started as a way to address more jobs, we do not have a job problem now. It has been found there are ways to work the system. For someone to hire 10 people, well most of the elites have 10 employees anyway.

There were multiple articles written covering the pay to play crap and if I get home at a decent hour then I will hunt them down. I believe we discussed it here before as well.

We do have a job problem. That's why it is still a primary issue. The misconception is that mass immigration take the entry level jobs and citizens move up the ladder. That isn't what happens. We have a track record that shows that is not how it plays out.

Well I don't know why we need rich people here that hire 10 employees and buy other rich people apts. and play on the rich people golf courses.