Remember the time President Trump got the US into a nuclear war?

[Rigby5]

We never had any inspectors allowed to look. Stupid ass obie had it right in his agreement they couldn’t do that. As if it was going to change anything anyway. You fucking people seem to think a nation is going to change its course because you sent a fucking mall cop to check on them?

What part of Iran doesn’t fucking care do you not get.

Wrong.
The way the IAEA does nuclear treaty verification is by video camera.
That is the way it was done with Saddam in Iraq.
Anyone claiming that nuclear nonproliferation treaties are not verified, is just totally and completely wrong.
And the treaty Obama signed with Iran DID specifically allow for in-person inspections.
Just not random.
They were announced the day before, but nothing can be hidden in a day.
And the video would show everything anyway.

Iran has a legal right to nuclear weapons.
All countries do.
So it is criminal to try to prevent them, and economic sanctions are explicitly illegal going back to the 1906 Hague Conventions the US ratifed.
So the US is the violator, not Iran.

 

[Rigby5]

Even while the Iran nuclear deal was ongoing, there were sites the Iranians wouldn't let the inspectors in to. And Obama's own officials acquiesced to the Iranian's demands.

Obama says inspectors get access to "any" site in Iran. Is it true?

On top of that, Iran wouldn't let the inspectors interview their country's nuclear scientists.

Iran wouldn't let inspectors interview the country's nuclear scientists under a nuclear deal

Why should any country let anyone interview their scientists, when the US, Israel, etc., have a history of assassinating scientists?

 

[Rigby5]

You’re a fucking moron. Every world war has happened because of idiots like you. You claim to be a historian yet persue the same mistakes every dumb ass in history has done. You don’t fucking learn.

Every world war has happened because the US or its imperialist allies deliberately started it.
Try to name a single war the US was involved in that was defensive, since 1812?
You can't.
There aren't any.
The US deliberately started them all.

 

[Rigby5]

Why would you be in favor of not letting countries join NATO? I don’t get your point here. If we only sacrificed a few countries to Russian rule we would have peace? The only country attacking others is Russia.

WTF are you talking about here?

No one is talking about "Russian rule".
The fact is Khrushchev was a Ukrainian and gave the Donetsk, Crimea, etc., to the Ukraine, even though they traditionally were part of Russia, and are inhabited by ethnic Russians, like Cossacks, Tatars, etc.
Kyiv is mostly ethnic Polish, and is fascist and racist.
They are murdering and abusing ethnic Russians, have violated treaties by trying to join NATO, and have been found guilty by the World Court of stealing billions in Russian oil and gas.
So Kyiv has to go.
They are about the single most criminal government in the world.
They have not allowed open elections since 2014 military takeover.

 

[Rigby5]

And if you actually read up on it you would soon realize they want those deals because there were basically no restrictions at all.

They aren’t wanting to go back to stronger restrictions you moron. So maybe you should ask why they would prefer to stick with the 2015 plan? Because it wasn’t restricting them at all is why. You have to be amazingly dumb to not follow this. The deal in 2015 was fucking garbage for us and a free for all for them. That’s why they want it back.

Wrong.
You clearly have not really read anything on the deal with Iran.
Iran already had enough fissile material for several nuclear weapons, and they gave that up.
They sold off the fissile material they had made, and completely disabled the only nuclear reactor capable of producing weapons grade fissile material, by plugging it up with concrete.

{...
Under the JCPOA, Iran has dismantled the original Arak reactor core, and filled its openings with concrete, rendering it inoperable. [6] In accordance with the deal, the Arak reactor is now being redesigned by an international consortium (including Iran and the E3/EU+3), so that it now requires enriched (as opposed to natural) Uranium fuel (up to 3.67% U-235 content, dramatically more than natural fuel, but dramatically less than the roughly 90% needed for weapons-grade Uranium). It will thus produce a minimal amount of usable Plutonium (made from the non-fissile U-238), and be dependent on Iran's Uranium enrichment infrastructure to function. [1,3]
...}

Fissile Materials and the Iran Deal

 

[Rigby5]

You are ann absolute liar

the US NEVER tried to put nukes in Ukraine

If not to put nukes on Russia's border, then why did we spend billions arming the Ukraine and bribing them to try to join NATO?
We constantly are always trying to put nukes on Russia's border.
We already did it twice, in Turkey and Poland, and it is only threats from Russia that made us take them out.

 

[Rigby5]

No need to, after he made mutilated monkey meat out of Soleimani. Between Trump's sanctions, his ruining Iran's oil-based economy, and taking out Soleimani, the Iranians were scared shitless of what he's do next.

Murdering General Soleimani was completely criminal and now ensures Iran will soon achieve nuclear weapons.
It was one of the stupidest things anyone ever did.
We forced Iran into the Russian camp.

 

[Rigby5]

You post nothing but lies.

There was no treaty as you claimn for them to violate

Russia is not hardened and they dod not have more nukes

If there was no treaty, they why did Russia allow the Ukraine leave the Soviet Union in 1992?
Russia could easily have wiped out Kyiv then, because they did not yet have all those US Javelin and Stinger missiles.

Russia has always been deliberately dispersed and hardened.
Even their vehicles are not dependent upon fragile microchips like they are in the US.
Russia prefers land lines instead of cellphones.

Not only does Russia have over 10 times as many nukes as the US, but our nukes are so old and expensive, that we have no chance of ever catching up.
Why do you think we use Russian missiles to get to the International Space Station?
Its because their missiles are more reliable, and they have thousands of them.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Gee, I'm really torn should I trust the judgement of an anonymous internet poster or the governments of China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States, Germany, and the European Union? What to do??

Well based on how well your government is functioning. You may want to go with the internet guy.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Every world war has happened because the US or its imperialist allies deliberately started it.
Try to name a single war the US was involved in that was defensive, since 1812?
You can't.
There aren't any.
The US deliberately started them all.

Umm, WWI WWII. Are you retarded or something? Holy fuck.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

No one is talking about "Russian rule".
The fact is Khrushchev was a Ukrainian and gave the Donetsk, Crimea, etc., to the Ukraine, even though they traditionally were part of Russia, and are inhabited by ethnic Russians, like Cossacks, Tatars, etc.
Kyiv is mostly ethnic Polish, and is fascist and racist.
They are murdering and abusing ethnic Russians, have violated treaties by trying to join NATO, and have been found guilty by the World Court of stealing billions in Russian oil and gas.
So Kyiv has to go.
They are about the single most criminal government in the world.
They have not allowed open elections since 2014 military takeover.

So you’re pro-Putin now.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Murdering General Soleimani was completely criminal and now ensures Iran will soon achieve nuclear weapons.
It was one of the stupidest things anyone ever did.
We forced Iran into the Russian camp.

Wait a minute. You’re so fucking dumb you thought Iran was going to become pro west with a nuke deal? LMAO! They’ve always been in the Russia China camp you fucking idiot.

 

[JGalt]

So you're saying that an imperfect agreement is worse than no agreement? I'm not sure I'd agree.

So you'd rather take the Neville Chamberlain "appeasement" approach? Why should there be any agreement with the Iranians? Their economy should just have the living fuck hammered out of it through sanctions. That would guarantee their nuclear program would go nowhere.

 

[Soupnazi630]

If not to put nukes on Russia's border, then why did we spend billions arming the Ukraine and bribing them to try to join NATO?
We constantly are always trying to put nukes on Russia's border.
We already did it twice, in Turkey and Poland, and it is only threats from Russia that made us take them out.

No we are not.

No one pribed them and we have not trued to put nukes on their border since the sixties.

We NEVER did in Poland and once again we removed them from Turkey decades ago and never tried to put them back

 

[Soupnazi630]

If there was no treaty, they why did Russia allow the Ukraine leave the Soviet Union in 1992?
Russia could easily have wiped out Kyiv then, because they did not yet have all those US Javelin and Stinger missiles.

Russia has always been deliberately dispersed and hardened.
Even their vehicles are not dependent upon fragile microchips like they are in the US.
Russia prefers land lines instead of cellphones.

Not only does Russia have over 10 times as many nukes as the US, but our nukes are so old and expensive, that we have no chance of ever catching up.
Why do you think we use Russian missiles to get to the International Space Station?
Its because their missiles are more reliable, and they have thousands of them.

Because they did not want to and had bno ability to do so.

They did not have the ability to do so in 92 as you claim trhey were a pathetic shell of a nation.

They do not have gten times as many nukes.

Missiles and nukes are not the same thing dumbass

 

[Soupnazi630]

Every world war has happened because the US or its imperialist allies deliberately started it.
Try to name a single war the US was involved in that was defensive, since 1812?
You can't.
There aren't any.
The US deliberately started them all.

The US an it's allies did not start either of the world wars.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No one is talking about "Russian rule".
The fact is Khrushchev was a Ukrainian and gave the Donetsk, Crimea, etc., to the Ukraine, even though they traditionally were part of Russia, and are inhabited by ethnic Russians, like Cossacks, Tatars, etc.
Kyiv is mostly ethnic Polish, and is fascist and racist.
They are murdering and abusing ethnic Russians, have violated treaties by trying to join NATO, and have been found guilty by the World Court of stealing billions in Russian oil and gas.
So Kyiv has to go.
They are about the single most criminal government in the world.
They have not allowed open elections since 2014 military takeover.

Wrong.

They violated NO treaties and stole nothing.

 

[alang1216]

So you'd rather take the Neville Chamberlain "appeasement" approach? Why should there be any agreement with the Iranians? Their economy should just have the living fuck hammered out of it through sanctions. That would guarantee their nuclear program would go nowhere.

Did Reagan 'appease' the Soviets when he cut a nuclear deal with them? Maybe he took away their 'bogey man' and encouraged them to open up to the West. A bit of glasnost and their regime collapsed.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

No, none of that's true. Just more opinion. That's all. Come on sealy, you've really hit bottom with all the propaganda you peddle nowadays. Lol.

LordBrownTrout If sealybobo smellybozo was not such a stupid fuck and actually had brains he would realise how he has been exposed and the entire board all realises that he is a paid shill for the DNC committe and because of that,would register under a different account with a new user name for a fresh start.

Everybody has seen has trolling and what his agenda is,the gig is up. why keep embarassing yourself to the entire board with so many constant ass beatings and getting checkmated hundreds of times each day? at least if he left and started posting under a new user name,he would not be the joke of the boards sense it would take a very long time before anybody knew it was him.

He is shit for brains though so he wont use that logic and will keep making himself to be the joke of the board for years on end.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Why should any country let anyone interview their scientists, when the US, Israel, etc., have a history of assassinating scientists?