Remember the time President Trump got the US into a nuclear war?

[Rigby5]

Wait a minute. You’re so fucking dumb you thought Iran was going to become pro west with a nuke deal? LMAO! They’ve always been in the Russia China camp you fucking idiot.

Wrong.
I did not think the nuke deal would make Iran pro-west.
But the nuke deal would have de-escalated the fears and military spending.
By ending the nuke treaty with Iran, we not only forced them to accelerate their nuclear ambitions, but much more strongly into the Russian camp.

If you knew history, you would know that it was the US that force Iran into the Russian camp by the military coup we bribed the Shah into in 1953.
That is why the Iranians now hate us, and that hate is very deserved.
We were monsters in 1953, and what we did was criminal even by US laws.
Look it up. The Pentagon called it "Operation Ajax".

 

[Rigby5]

So you'd rather take the Neville Chamberlain "appeasement" approach? Why should there be any agreement with the Iranians? Their economy should just have the living fuck hammered out of it through sanctions. That would guarantee their nuclear program would go nowhere.

Economic sanctions are totally illegal, under international law, the UN, and US law.
Iran are the good guys compared to the US.
We were the ones who destroyed their democracy in 1953.

 

[Rigby5]

No we are not.

No one bribed them and we have not tried to put nukes on their border since the sixties.

We NEVER did in Poland and once again we removed them from Turkey decades ago and never tried to put them back

Wrong.

The US started trying to put nukes in Poland in 2002.
{...
A missile defense feasibility study was launched after the 2002 Prague Summit. The NATO Consultation, Command and Control Agency (NC3A) and NATO's Conference of National Armaments Directors (CNAD) were also involved in negotiations. The study concluded that missile defense is technically feasible, and it provided a technical basis for ongoing political and military discussions regarding the desirability of a NATO missile defense system.[citation needed] The United States negotiated with Poland and the Czech Republic over the course of several years after on the deployment of interceptor missiles and a radar tracking system in the two countries.[1] Both countries' governments indicated that they would allow the deployment.
...
On 17 September 2009, U.S. President Barack Obama announced that the planned deployment of long-range missile defense interceptors and equipment in Poland and the Czech Republic was not to go forward, and that a defense against short- and medium-range missiles using AEGIS warships would be deployed instead.[12][13][14][15][16] Following the change in plans, Russian President Dimitri Medvedev announced that a proposed Russian Iskander surface to surface missile deployment in nearby Kaliningrad would also not go ahead. The two deployment cancellation announcements were later followed with a statement by newly named NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen calling for a strategic partnership between Russia and the Alliance, explicitly involving technological cooperation of the two parties' missile defense systems.[17]
...}

But the reality is we still do have US nukes in Poland.
We have constantly tried to put nukes on Russia's border.
We tried in Lithuania, Finland, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

Because they did not want to and had bno ability to do so.

They did not have the ability to do so in 92 as you claim trhey were a pathetic shell of a nation.

They do not have gten times as many nukes.

Missiles and nukes are not the same thing dumbass

Not only did the Ukraine openly and publicly promise to never try to join NATO in 1992, but NATO promised to never try to expand into Warsaw Pact countries.

The US is violating our treaties, breaking our promises, and starting WWIII.
It is an act of war for the Ukraine to join an alliance hostile to Russia.

 

[Rigby5]

The US an it's allies did not start either of the world wars.

Wrong.
WWI was started by the Russians ordering the Serbian Black Hand to train Prinzip to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.
When Germany tried to uncover the plot, the Allies attacked first, with French troops crossing over into Bavaria.
So WWI was entirely the fault of and started by the Allies.
In fact, US participation was illegal, as the HMS Lusitania was carrying weapons from the US to England, so was in violation of treaties.
Germany announced in the NYTimes that is was going to be sunk.

Hitler's climb to power was financed by US Steel, Standard Oil, GM, etc.
The German people supported Hitlers war effort due to the illegal aspects of the Treaty of Versailles.
The Allies had stolen vast amounts of German private resource, and demanded illegal reparations for a war the Allies had deliberately started.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong.

They violated NO treaties and stole nothing.

There is a world court ruling in 2010 that convicted the Ukraine of stealing over $20 billion of Russian oil/gas from Russian pipelines running through the Ukraine.

{...
On 8 June 2010, a Stockholm court of arbitration ruled Naftohaz of Ukraine must return 12.1 billion cubic metres (430 billion cubic feet) of gas to RosUkrEnergo, a Swiss-based company in which Gazprom controls a 50% stake. Russia accused Ukrainian side of diverting gas from pipelines passing through Ukraine in 2009.[11][12] Several high-ranking Ukrainian officials stated the return "would not be quick".[13]
...}

Russia–Ukraine gas disputes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Rigby5]

So every-time Putin mentions nuclear, the US President is meant to turn around and take it in the ass...

Sorry but Trump is not the President, he could take up the ass good... Bide doesn't do that and he will stand up to bullies unlike Trump...

The Ukraine are the bad guys.
They violated treaties, are trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, stole Russian oil, murdered Ukrainians who spoke Russian, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

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Actually, humans are instinctively peaceful.
Humans evolved as tree dwelling primates.
So when we came down from the trees for whatever reason, our survival depended entirely on empathy.
Much like Meerkats, we had no fangs, claws, armor, or speed, so the only means of survival was empathy and group coordination, since we were prey and not predators.
This went on for over a million years.

It is only after we developed intelligence, technology, weapons, agriculture, and currency, that we became predators, and warlike. That is less than 10,000 years. So our instincts could not have evolved. Instead we are conditioning people to act against their own instincts.

 

[Burgermeister]

Remember when people were scared of nuclear war and experimental gene therapies? Seems like a long time ago.

 

[Rigby5]

Nothing the Trumpsters say can spin them out of this.

There were 3 separate explosions, so it was no accident, and it then had to be the US.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

The US started trying to put nukes in Poland in 2002.
{...
A missile defense feasibility study was launched after the 2002 Prague Summit. The NATO Consultation, Command and Control Agency (NC3A) and NATO's Conference of National Armaments Directors (CNAD) were also involved in negotiations. The study concluded that missile defense is technically feasible, and it provided a technical basis for ongoing political and military discussions regarding the desirability of a NATO missile defense system.[citation needed] The United States negotiated with Poland and the Czech Republic over the course of several years after on the deployment of interceptor missiles and a radar tracking system in the two countries.[1] Both countries' governments indicated that they would allow the deployment.
...
On 17 September 2009, U.S. President Barack Obama announced that the planned deployment of long-range missile defense interceptors and equipment in Poland and the Czech Republic was not to go forward, and that a defense against short- and medium-range missiles using AEGIS warships would be deployed instead.[12][13][14][15][16] Following the change in plans, Russian President Dimitri Medvedev announced that a proposed Russian Iskander surface to surface missile deployment in nearby Kaliningrad would also not go ahead. The two deployment cancellation announcements were later followed with a statement by newly named NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen calling for a strategic partnership between Russia and the Alliance, explicitly involving technological cooperation of the two parties' missile defense systems.[17]
...}

But the reality is we still do have US nukes in Poland.
We have constantly tried to put nukes on Russia's border.
We tried in Lithuania, Finland, etc.

we never tried to put nukes in Poland and we have none there.

NO WHERE in your post does it say NUKES>

Interceptor mmissiles are CONVENTIONAL you moron.

You are as liar and lose the FACT is we have none there and never tried to put any there

 

[Soupnazi630]

There were 3 separate explosions, so it was no accident, and it then had to be the US.

It was not the US moron

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Ukraine are the bad guys.
They violated treaties, are trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, stole Russian oil, murdered Ukrainians who spoke Russian, etc.

You are an absolute liar.

We never tried to put nukes on the Russian border.

The Ukranians violated NO TREATY and that is a fact. You cannot name any such treaty

Thery stole no oil and murdered no one you lying trailor trash fool

 

[Soupnazi630]

There is a world court ruling in 2010 that convicted the Ukraine of stealing over $20 billion of Russian oil/gas from Russian pipelines running through the Ukraine.

{...
On 8 June 2010, a Stockholm court of arbitration ruled Naftohaz of Ukraine must return 12.1 billion cubic metres (430 billion cubic feet) of gas to RosUkrEnergo, a Swiss-based company in which Gazprom controls a 50% stake. Russia accused Ukrainian side of diverting gas from pipelines passing through Ukraine in 2009.[11][12] Several high-ranking Ukrainian officials stated the return "would not be quick".[13]
...}

Russia–Ukraine gas disputes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The world court is meaningless.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
WWI was started by the Russians ordering the Serbian Black Hand to train Prinzip to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.
When Germany tried to uncover the plot, the Allies attacked first, with French troops crossing over into Bavaria.
So WWI was entirely the fault of and started by the Allies.
In fact, US participation was illegal, as the HMS Lusitania was carrying weapons from the US to England, so was in violation of treaties.
Germany announced in the NYTimes that is was going to be sunk.

Hitler's climb to power was financed by US Steel, Standard Oil, GM, etc.
The German people supported Hitlers war effort due to the illegal aspects of the Treaty of Versailles.
The Allies had stolen vast amounts of German private resource, and demanded illegal reparations for a war the Allies had deliberately started.

The allies did not attack first dumbass

Lusitania did not mark our entry into the war and it was legal for us to enter.

we entrred WWII becauser Japan attacked us and we did not finance Hitler

 

[Soupnazi630]

Not only did the Ukraine openly and publicly promise to never try to join NATO in 1992, but NATO promised to never try to expand into Warsaw Pact countries.

The US is violating our treaties, breaking our promises, and starting WWIII.
It is an act of war for the Ukraine to join an alliance hostile to Russia.

That is a bald faced LIE

Ukraine made no such promise

It isno act of war to join NATo

 

[Soupnazi630]

Economic sanctions are totally illegal, under international law, the UN, and US law.
Iran are the good guys compared to the US.
We were the ones who destroyed their democracy in 1953.

Econonic sanctions are legal under US law which supercedes iinternational law

 

[Mac1958]

we never tried to put nukes in Poland and we have none there.
NO WHERE in your post does it say NUKES>
Interceptor mmissiles are CONVENTIONAL you moron.
You are as liar and lose the FACT is we have none there and never tried to put any there

In fairness, he's probably not lying. They're just spectacularly and tragically mal-informed. They believe what they're told in their universe.

"Willfully ignorant" may be more accurate.

Which appears to be even worse.

 

[Rigby5]

we never tried to put nukes in Poland and we have none there.

NO WHERE in your post does it say NUKES>

Interceptor mmissiles are CONVENTIONAL you moron.

You are as liar and lose the FACT is we have none there and never tried to put any there

Wrong.
Except for the Patriot batteries that do no work, all ABM systems are nuclear.
There is no possible way to intercept MIRV attacks without nuclear ABMs.

And not only are all ABMs nuclear, but any missile capable of being an ABM is also obviously capable of carrying nuclear warheads for ground targets as well.

 

[Rigby5]

It was not the US moron

Only the US had a motive and capability.