Remember the dread promised to us over it changing to the year 2000? Climate is the same.

[Crick]

The majority of heat from the sun is stored in the oceans. You think the ocean being heated by the sun doesn't warm the planet? The vast majority of earth's heat is stored in the oceans.

How can you not see your failing here? WHAT is causing the Earth's temperature to INCREASE?

It doesn't disprove what I am saying.

There are no proofs in the natural sciences.

It proves what I am saying.

No, it does not and you look like a complete imbecile claiming that it does. Why do you continue to take this abuse?

The ocean is like a massive solar panel storing energy.

And it has since the ocean first formed. How does that suddenly drive the temperature upward? What do you believe happened at the same time as the Industrial Revolution that began pushing out temperatures upward?

The sun heats the ocean, the ocean stores the heat and distributes the heat throughout the planet.

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

 

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Of course it does, on a smaller scale. The surface of the ocean absolutely cools a bit at night. This is basic stuff, so naturally you fail at it.

You keep tossing out bits of trivia you learned, as if they mean something. They don't. Your logic train is something like "The earth is round, therefore a warp drive exists, and anyone who disagrees is in a cult". Your premises, though correct, have nothing to do with the deranged conclusions you draw.

If you want to hang with the grownups, you have to act like a grownup. No more evasions.

State exactly what your point is, in clear and direct language.

If you're not brave enough to do that, nobody should waste time on you.

The ocean containing 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere is not trivial. It's a fundamental element of the science of the climate of the planet.

And the cooling of the ocean at night compared to the air cooling at night is relatively nil. The ocean STORES the heat from the sun. Water is an excellent conductor of heat whereas air is a poor conductor of heat. This isn't trivial either. It is a fundamental element of the science of the climate of the planet.

The planet is warming because the ocean is warming. The atmosphere does not store heat, the ocean does. The atmosphere impedes the flow of heat from the earth to outerspace. The ocean stores heat and distributes heat. Which is why the currents affect the climate of the planet.

 

[ding]

How can you not see your failing here? WHAT is causing the Earth's temperature to INCREASE?

The sun warming the ocean which stores the heat and distributes the heat. And it will continue to warm until density changes due to salinity changes and thermal expansion coupled with wind pattern changes triggers the next glacial period by disrupting the heat flow from the Atlantic to the Arctic. At which time the negative feedback from extensive NH continental glaciation affects the entire planet like it has been doing for the last 3 million years.

 

[Robert W]

And it has since the ocean first formed. How does that suddenly drive the temperature upward? What do you believe happened at the same time as the Industrial Revolution that began pushing out temperatures upward?

The span of heating is about 150 years and the rise is very tiny. When you step outside when it is 1.5 degrees warmer that AM, you don't pay it a bit of attention. Why you pay it such deep attention is what puzzles we who debate you.

 

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There are no proofs in the natural sciences.

Says the guy who is positive that man's CO2 emissions will lead to catastrophic warming.

These are my proofs.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

 

[ding]

No, it does not and you look like a complete imbecile claiming that it does. Why do you continue to take this abuse?

I see it the other way around.

Which if these do you disagree with?

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

 

[ding]

And it has since the ocean first formed. How does that suddenly drive the temperature upward? What do you believe happened at the same time as the Industrial Revolution that began pushing out temperatures upward?

It has always worked this way but the recent warming trend is just a continuation of the interglacial period that began about 20,000 years ago.

As I have said dozens of times the most the incremental surface temperature can rise from an incremental 120 ppm of CO2 is 0.5C with the expected value of 0.22 C. The rest of the warming is natural and will continue to warm until the ocean current changes like it has for the past 3 million years for the 30 or so glacial cycles that have occurred since the ice age (bipolar glaciation) began.

 

[ding]

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

It's the ocean that is responsible for the planet warming because it's the ocean that stores the heat from the sun. That's the so the fuck what.

 

[Crick]

It's the ocean that is responsible for the planet warming because it's the ocean that stores the heat from the sun. That's the so the fuck what.

You make a fucking rock look smart.

How many times have I asked you what changed in the oceans to cause the observed warming? Ten times? Twenty times? And how many times have you answered me? Zero? Yes, ZERO times.

Another Ding mistake.

 

[ding]

You make a fucking rock look smart.

How many times have I asked you what changed in the oceans to cause the observed warming? Ten times? Twenty times? And how many times have you answered me? Zero? Yes, ZERO times.

Another Ding mistake.

The sun warms the ocean. The ocean stores the heat. The ocean distributes the heat throughout the planet. The ocean is a giant heat conveyor. What part of this don't you understand?

 

[Crick]

The sun warms the ocean. The ocean stores the heat. The ocean distributes the heat throughout the planet. The ocean is a giant heat conveyor. What part of this don't you understand?

The part where any of that causes the planet's temperature to CHANGE you fucking uneducable shit-for-brains.

 

[ding]

you fucking uneducable shit-for-brains

Is this an example of your do as you say and not as you do?

 

[ding]

The part where any of that causes the planet's temperature to CHANGE

The ocean plays a HUGE role in determining earth's climate around the globe. Change the currents and the climates change. Of special interest is the Arctic because it is poised on the threshold for extensive continental glaciation. When the Arctic reaches its tipping point, the resulting negative feedback of extensive continental glaciation is felt all around the globe.

 

[Crick]

The ocean plays a HUGE role in determining earth's climate around the globe.

You're dodging. I am not talking about this region getting colder or this region getting warmer. I am talking about the planet as a whole getting warmer or colder and your ocean current ramblings just don't fucking do it.

Change the currents and the climates change.

How?

Of special interest is the Arctic because it is poised on the threshold for extensive continental glaciation.

I think not.

When the Arctic reaches its tipping point, the resulting negative feedback of extensive continental glaciation is felt all around the globe.

For Arctic ice to expand southward will require that the planet as a whole cools. That is NOT what the planet is currently doing.

 

[ding]

You're dodging. I am not talking about this region getting colder or this region getting warmer. I am talking about the planet as a whole getting warmer or colder and your ocean current ramblings just don't fucking do it.

How?

I think not.

For Arctic ice to expand southward will require that the planet as a whole cools. That is NOT what the planet is currently doing.

I'm not dodging. You are dismissing the obvious. You are ignoring the big picture. The role of the ocean in storing, distributing and affect climate is well known and well understood. Change the currents and you change the climate. Some regions are more sensitive to change than others and have more of a global impact than others. The Arctic is that region. I've explained it to you already in great detail. What part of it don't you understand? Are you rejecting that the ocean's role? Are you rejecting the Arctic wouldn't start glaciating when heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic gets disrupted by changes in the ocean's circulation currents? Are you rejecting that ocean currents can't change? Are you rejecting what would happen to the rest of the planet if extensive NH continental glaciation began?

 

[Crick]

I'm not dodging.

You have completely failed to address global temperature changes. Not once.

Another Ding mistake.

You are dismissing the obvious. You are ignoring the big picture.

You have begun to lie.

Another Ding mistake.

The role of the ocean in storing, distributing and affect climate is well known and well understood.

You have YET to give one shred of explanation how this raises or lowers the Earth's temperature.

Another Ding mistake.

Change the currents and you change the climate. Some regions are more sensitive to change than others and have more of a global impact than others

This is simple hand-waving.

Another Ding mistake.

The Arctic is that region.

You just said "Some regions" [plural]. Now you say "...that region" [singular].

Another Ding mistake.

I've explained it to you already in great detail.

You have YET to make ANY explanation as to how any of that would change global temperatures.

Another Ding mistake.

What part of it don't you understand?

The glaring problem is what YOU don't understand. You cannot change the temperature of the Earth unless you alter the planet's absorption of energy or its radiation of energy. Your proposed mechanisms do neither.

Another Ding mistake.

Are you rejecting that the ocean's role?

The ocean's currents have not caused the warming since the Industrial Revolution.

Are you rejecting the Arctic wouldn't start glaciating when heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic gets disrupted by changes in the ocean's circulation currents?

1) Glaciers are land-based structures. You cannot develop glaciers on the Arctic Ocean.
2) The heat that a cessation of the AMOC or a slowing of the Gulf Stream would no longer bring to the Arctic would simply remain in equatorial waters. The poles will grow colder while the tropics gets warmer. It is precisely like the action of Rossby waves. It would have NO effecton global temperatures.

Another Ding mistake.

Are you rejecting that ocean currents can't change?

No. But there were certainly no changes in the past 150 years substantial enough to have caused the observed warming.

Another Ding mistake.

Are you rejecting what would happen to the rest of the planet if extensive NH continental glaciation began?

If you have not yet understood what I've been saying to you for post after post after post, then I suspect you're just never going to get it.

NOTHING YOU'VE SUGGESTED WOULD ALTER THE TEMPERATURE OF THE PLANET AS A WHOLE.

 

[ding]

You have completely failed to address global temperature changes. Not once.

Another Ding mistake.

You have begun to lie.

Another Ding mistake.

You have YET to give one shred of explanation how this raises or lowers the Earth's temperature.

Another Ding mistake.

This is simple hand-waving.

Another Ding mistake.

You just said "Some regions" [plural]. Now you say "...that region" [singular].

Another Ding mistake.

You have YET to make ANY explanation as to how any of that would change global temperatures.

Another Ding mistake.

The glaring problem is what YOU don't understand. You cannot change the temperature of the Earth unless you alter the planet's absorption of energy or its radiation of energy. Your proposed mechanisms do neither.

Another Ding mistake.

The ocean's currents have not caused the warming since the Industrial Revolution.

1) Glaciers are land-based structures. You cannot develop glaciers on the Arctic Ocean.
2) The heat that a cessation of the AMOC or a slowing of the Gulf Stream would no longer bring to the Arctic would simply remain in equatorial waters. The poles will grow colder while the tropics gets warmer. It is precisely like the action of Rossby waves. It would have NO effecton global temperatures.

Another Ding mistake.

No. But there were certainly no changes in the past 150 years substantial enough to have caused the observed warming.

Another Ding mistake.


If you have not yet understood what I've been saying to you for post after post after post, then I suspect you're just never going to get it.

NOTHING YOU'VE SUGGESTED WOULD ALTER THE TEMPERATURE OF THE PLANET AS A WHOLE.

Sure I have. The NH is still thawing out from the previous glacial period, the sun is heating the ocean and the ocean is distributing that heat.

The role of the ocean in storing, distributing and affect climate is well known and well understood. Change the currents and you change the climate. Some regions are more sensitive to change than others and have more of a global impact than others. The Arctic is that region. The Little Ice age was triggered by a disruption of the ocean's heat circulation to the Arctic and that when that heat circulation was restored, the planet returned to it's natural interglacial warming trend. The contribution of the Industrial Revolution isn't nothing but all warming is not due to it. 0.22C top 0.5C is the contribution of 120 ppm of CO2.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat the earth receives from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe using currents
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

 

[Robert W]

Sure I have. The NH is still thawing out from the previous glacial period, the sun is heating the ocean and the ocean is distributing that heat.

The role of the ocean in storing, distributing and affect climate is well known and well understood. Change the currents and you change the climate. Some regions are more sensitive to change than others and have more of a global impact than others. The Arctic is that region. The Little Ice age was triggered by a disruption of the ocean's heat circulation to the Arctic and that when that heat circulation was restored, the planet returned to it's natural interglacial warming trend. The contribution of the Industrial Revolution isn't nothing but all warming is not due to it. 0.22C top 0.5C is the contribution of 120 ppm of CO2.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat the earth receives from the sun
2. The ocean holds 1000 times more heat than the atmosphere
3. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe using currents
4. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
5. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
6. Wind patterns are affected by the sun
7. If heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic were disrupted it would lead to catastrophic cooling

I believe this about Crick. The man wants to blame humans. Yet he wants us to see him as a hero. I believe in my case he is guilty of fucking over this planet far more than I have. I suspect you can tell him the same thing.

 

[Crick]

I believe this about Crick. The man wants to blame humans. Yet he wants us to see him as a hero. I believe in my case he is guilty of fucking over this planet far more than I have. I suspect you can tell him the same thing

Do you believe people should stop fucking over the planet?

 

[Robert W]

Do you believe people should stop fucking over the planet?

Would you like advice as to the steps you can take to live so low on producing CO2 as I do?

I don't drive a car as you do that gets 42 miles per gallon. That for a person like you seems tragic and a huge mistake due to what you say all the time. My son bought days back a electric bike that does not burn any fuel at all. It has a high power battery.

You mentioned Submarine service. Do you want more nuclear power?