Remember the dread promised to us over it changing to the year 2000? Climate is the same.

[ding]

That's lovely, but that gives absolutely no support to your claims. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, there had been no change to the sun's total irradiance or ocean's heat content. The ocean is NOT responsible for the observed warming and you have provided NO reason to think otherwise.

Sure it does. The ocean drives the climate of the planet because that's where the heat is stored.

You can't see it because you are blinded by politics.

 

[westwall]

Robert, you didn't answer. Who exactly are the "pigs" in your reference to "The Democrats and their pigs"?

If you're going to be a shit human, be upfront and proud about it. The only thing worse than a shit human is a cowardly shit human, and that's you.

Well, you for one.

Little piggy.

 

[mamooth]

Well, you for one.

Little piggy.

Hitler also referred to his enemies as vermin and swine.

It's good that you're not trying to hide your fascist nature any more, or your exterminationist agenda. It's not like anyone ever bought your charade.

 

[mamooth]

Sure it does. The ocean drives the climate of the planet because that's where the heat is stored.

And, as land temperatures warm, the oceans are still gaining heat at a record pace.

Just as AGW theory predicts.

And which disproves your fantasy "DERP! STORED HEAT IS COMING OUT OF THE OCEANS!" conspiracy theory. You're not just wrong, you're stupidly wrong.

It's so good to be on the rational side. Since reality always agrees with us, we don't have to humiliate ourselves making up dumb conspiracy theories. If reality ever disagrees with our theories, we change our theories.

 

[abu afak]

Imagine had the disasters predicted by the Year 2000 Alarmists had really happened!!! They were positive Earth was in it's last days. They told us to buy and buy supplies so we would live.
Well what happened? Year 2000 was just another day.
We are supposed to be scared of climate. And you take alarmists like Al Gore. Al lives a life of luxury over climate dead end foretelling. Earth per him in the early 2000's was our spaceship to doom.

Here is more for us all to digest.

You F****** Moron.
The changeover to Y2K wasn't a problem BECAUSE everyone saw it coming and patched it.
It didn't happen.

But it IS Demonstrably getting Warmer since then culminating (so far) with 2023, the Hottest Year on Record and probably since the last interglacial 100,000+ years ago
And it's getting hotter Faster (with an Un-natural SPIKE) as we pour GHGs into the air.
(and UNLIKE Y2K we/the planet are not doing nearly enough to stop it)

You are too stupid to post/debate.

`

 

[westwall]

Hitler also referred to his enemies as vermin and swine.

It's good that you're not trying to hide your fascist nature any more, or your exterminationist agenda. It's not like anyone ever bought your charade.

Well, the shoe fits in your case, truthiness.

 

[petro]

You F****** Moron.
The changeover to Y2K wasn't a problem BECAUSE everyone saw it coming and patched it.
It didn't happen.

But it IS Demonstrably getting Warmer since then culminating (so far) with 2023, the Hottest Year on Record and probably since the last interglacial 100,000+ years ago
And it's getting hotter Faster (with an Un-natural SPIKE) as we pour GHGs into the air.
(and UNLIKE Y2K we/the planet are not doing nearly enough to stop it)

You are too stupid to post/debate.

`

You seem a little unhinged.

Too bad the experts didn't see yesterdays software crash coming and patch it...
Oh wait, they caused it.

Expect parallel results when they Fix the climate.

 

[Crick]

You seem a little unhinged.

Too bad the experts didn't see yesterdays software crash coming and patch it...
Oh wait, they caused it.

Expect parallel results when they Fix the climate.

As Abu notes, the world saw the Y2K problem approaching and the world began preparing for it well in advance. And, to be honest, the Y2K problem was extremely simple to deal with, it was simply widespread.
Yesterday's problem was caused by the programmers for a single company who FAILED to see a specific complex problem coming and so did NOTHING to prepare for it. Hardly an analogous situation.

 

[petro]

As Abu notes, the world SAW the Y2K problem approaching and began preparing for it well in advance.
Yesterday's problem was caused by the programmers for a single company who FAILED to see a specific problem coming and did NOTHING to prepare for it. Hardly an analogous situation.

There was really nothing to fix in the Y2K.
It was a panic about literally nothing.
Just like most media created fear frenzies.

 

[Crick]

There was really nothing to fix in the Y2K.
It was a panic about literally nothing.
Just like most media created fear frenzies.

I was working for RCA Government Services at the time and we found many pieces of critical software that had to be fixed before 2000 arrives. I think that was true worldwide. The news media, always fond of increasing their sales, likely overstated the severity of the problem but the only harm would have been the handful of nutcases who thought the world was going to come to an end. If it precluded my tax refund from getting back on time or my paychecks from getting cut, I will put up with the nutcases acting out.

 

[ding]

And, as land temperatures warm, the oceans are still gaining heat at a record pace.

Just as AGW theory predicts.

And which disproves your fantasy "DERP! STORED HEAT IS COMING OUT OF THE OCEANS!" conspiracy theory. You're not just wrong, you're stupidly wrong.

It's so good to be on the rational side. Since reality always agrees with us, we don't have to humiliate ourselves making up dumb conspiracy theories. If reality ever disagrees with our theories, we change our theories.

The majority of heat from the sun is stored in the oceans. You think the ocean being heated by the sun doesn't warm the planet? The vast majority of earth's heat is stored in the oceans.

It doesn't disprove what I am saying. It proves what I am saying. The ocean is like a massive solar panel storing energy. The sun heats the ocean, the ocean stores the heat and distributes the heat throughout the planet.

 

[ding]

And, as land temperatures warm, the oceans are still gaining heat at a record pace.

Just as AGW theory predicts.

And which disproves your fantasy "DERP! STORED HEAT IS COMING OUT OF THE OCEANS!" conspiracy theory. You're not just wrong, you're stupidly wrong.

It's so good to be on the rational side. Since reality always agrees with us, we don't have to humiliate ourselves making up dumb conspiracy theories. If reality ever disagrees with our theories, we change our theories.

No different than any other interglacial period has.

You mock me because you are threatened by what I am saying. This is political for you. For me it's just science. Isn't that the way science is supposed to work, by challenging convention?

You people really should be ashamed at yourself.

 

[Crick]

No different than any other interglacial period has.

You mock me because you are threatened by what I am saying. This is political for you. For me it's just science. Isn't that the way science is supposed to work, by challenging convention?

You people really should be ashamed at yourself.

So, as we all know, no scientists agree with you. None. You seem to be saying that this is solely because the topic has become political. There are publishing climate scientists from virtually every nation on the planet. Thousands of them. Are you suggesting that they all have the same political viewpoint, one served by the complete fabrication of AGW?

 

[ding]

So, as we all know, no scientists agree with you. None. You seem to be saying that this is solely because the topic has become political. There are publishing climate scientists from virtually every nation on the planet. Thousands of them. Are you suggesting that they all have the same political viewpoint, one served by the complete fabrication of AGW?

Every single scientist agrees with me that the ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun and distributes that heat to the rest of the globe. Every single scientist agrees that without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life. Every single scientist agrees with me that ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind. Every single scientist agrees with me that wind patterns are affected by the sun.

What is it I have said here that you disagree with?

 

[ding]

as land temperatures warm

I'm assuming you mean surface temperatures, right? You know... air temperature.

You do realize that air temperature warms up during the day when the sun is shining and then cools down at night when the sun isn't shining, right? That's not what happens to the ocean. The ocean stores the heat from the sun and then distributes that heat around the globe. If that weren't the case the equator would be brutally hot and the polar regions would be brutally cold.

Why don't you know this stuff? Is it because you are only interested in the politics of AGW because that's what your political party told you to believe. You are behaving like a religious fanatic.

 

[Crick]

Every single scientist agrees with me that the ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun and distributes that heat to the rest of the globe. Every single scientist agrees that without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life. Every single scientist agrees with me that ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind. Every single scientist agrees with me that wind patterns are affected by the sun.

What is it I have said here that you disagree with?

That Milankovitch has nothing to do with glacial cycles, that those cycles are somehow driven by ocean currents and that there is no AGW but that the current observed warming is just part of the glacial cycle. Everything else you've brought up has been in attempt to support those two claims. Unfortunately, they do no such thing.

Going through your list:

Yes the ocean contains more thermal energy than does the atmosphere. It always has and always will.

Ocean currents move heat around the planet. So does the atmosphere. I would not call it a distribution.

The slowing of the AMOC will cause warming in equatorial regions and cooling in higher latitudes. The Gulf Stream and it's analogs in all the other basins is driven by Coriolis. They will not stop no matter what happens to global temperatures. They will simply no longer feed and be fed by the AMOC.

Density has almost no effect on horizontal movement of water. Thermohaline circulation is driven by high density water sinking at the poles. Density has no impact on the ocean's various gyres.

So, you began with claims with which NO scientists agree and then attempted to support them with a scattering of factoids you looked up that you poorly understand but that you think sound as if they're related. However, in fact, they provide no support whatsoever for your idiotic contentions.

 

[ding]

That Milankovitch has nothing to do with glacial cycles, that those cycles are somehow driven by ocean currents and that there is no AGW but that the current observed warming is just part of the glacial cycle. Everything else you've brought up has been in attempt to support those two claims. Unfortunately, they do no such thing.

Going through your list:

Yes the ocean contains more thermal energy than does the atmosphere. It always has and always will.

Ocean currents move heat around the planet. So does the atmosphere. I would not call it a distribution.

The slowing of the AMOC will cause warming in equatorial regions and cooling in higher latitudes. The Gulf Stream and it's analogs in all the other basins is driven by Coriolis. They will not stop no matter what happens to global temperatures. They will simply no longer feed and be fed by the AMOC.

Density has almost no effect on horizontal movement of water. Thermohaline circulation is driven by high density water sinking at the poles. Density has no impact on the ocean's various gyres.

So, you began with claims with which NO scientists agree and then attempted to support them with a scattering of factoids you looked up that you poorly understand but that you think sound as if they're related. However, in fact, they provide no support whatsoever for your idiotic contentions.

Salinity affects density, dummy. Temperature affects density (thermal expansion). Both are density effects which cause changes to currents.

I am glad you didn't disagree with what I wrote even if you were too chicken shit to admit it.

 

[ding]

That Milankovitch has nothing to do with glacial cycles, that those cycles are somehow driven by ocean currents and that there is no AGW but that the current observed warming is just part of the glacial cycle. Everything else you've brought up has been in attempt to support those two claims. Unfortunately, they do no such thing.

Going through your list:

Yes the ocean contains more thermal energy than does the atmosphere. It always has and always will.

Ocean currents move heat around the planet. So does the atmosphere. I would not call it a distribution.

The slowing of the AMOC will cause warming in equatorial regions and cooling in higher latitudes. The Gulf Stream and it's analogs in all the other basins is driven by Coriolis. They will not stop no matter what happens to global temperatures. They will simply no longer feed and be fed by the AMOC.

Density has almost no effect on horizontal movement of water. Thermohaline circulation is driven by high density water sinking at the poles. Density has no impact on the ocean's various gyres.

So, you began with claims with which NO scientists agree and then attempted to support them with a scattering of factoids you looked up that you poorly understand but that you think sound as if they're related. However, in fact, they provide no support whatsoever for your idiotic contentions.

1. The ocean stores the majority of heat from the sun
2. The ocean distributes that heat to the rest of the globe
3. Without ocean currents the polar regions would be colder and the equator would be hotter such that much of the planet would be inhospitable for life
4. Ocean currents are affected by density (salinity and thermal expansion) and wind.
5. Wind patterns are affected by the sun

Say it with me.

 

[ding]

If you change the way the oceans circulate heat you will change the climate of the planet.

Say it with me.

 

[ding]

I would not call it a distribution.

NOAA does.

Land areas also absorb some sunlight, and the atmosphere helps to retain heat that would otherwise quickly radiate into space after sunset. The ocean doesn't just store solar radiation — it also helps to distribute heat around the globe.

How does the ocean affect climate and weather on land? : Ocean Exploration Facts: NOAA Ocean Exploration

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