Religious marker may be erected at old Capitol

[☭proletarian☭]

PHOENIX - Saying the minority must be tolerant of the majority, Republicans who control the Senate Appropriations Committee voted Tuesday to require a copy of the Ten Commandments to be erected in front of the old state Capitol.
SB 1213 directs the Legislative Council, the main occupant of the building, to look for donations to put up a monument, plaque or some other permanent form of the Ten Commandments. The measure now goes to the full Senate.

Even putting aside the whole Church-State thing, how the hell do you justify the expense?

But Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who crafted the measure, said it's wrong to think of the Ten Commandments as religious. Instead, he called them "10 little rules," saying that if everyone honored them, "boy, what a better place this would be."

right.... What's the first of those rules, again?


Religious marker may be erected at old Capitol

 

[xotoxi]

There's going to be an erection at the old Capitol?

 

[Conspiracist]

PHOENIX - Saying the minority must be tolerant of the majority, Republicans who control the Senate Appropriations Committee voted Tuesday to require a copy of the Ten Commandments to be erected in front of the old state Capitol.
SB 1213 directs the Legislative Council, the main occupant of the building, to look for donations to put up a monument, plaque or some other permanent form of the Ten Commandments. The measure now goes to the full Senate.

Even putting aside the whole Church-State thing, how the hell do you justify the expense?

But Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who crafted the measure, said it's wrong to think of the Ten Commandments as religious. Instead, he called them "10 little rules," saying that if everyone honored them, "boy, what a better place this would be."

right.... What's the first of those rules, again?



Religious marker may be erected at old Capitol

I think these decisions should be left to states and localities. I see nothing wrong with it.


Funny part is, these repubs keep holding on to religion and their own human frailties keep biting them in their own asses. Gotta practice what you preach and it can be hard to do.

 

[Xenophon]

As was mentioned, the 'church and state' seperation is a federal issue, there is no such prohabition to states.

 

[California Girl]

There's going to be an erection at the old Capitol?

Excellent. We can finally discover the truth behind the saying 'everything's bigger in Texas'.

On topic: Unless you are paying for it, mind your own damned business about what Texans spend their money on.

 

[rightwinger]

I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
Do not have any other gods before me.

There you have it...the state directing people they must worship one god

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It's amazing how many seemingly intelligent people there are who don't understand the separation of church and state clause. So let me enlighten you people. The phrase originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802, was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.

The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

 

[Conspiracist]

There's going to be an erection at the old Capitol?

Excellent. We can finally discover the truth behind the saying 'everything's bigger in Texas'.

On topic: Unless you are paying for it, mind your own damned business about what Texans spend their money on.

You mean off topic? The topic is on Arizona. Where the fuck did you get Texas?

 

[bodecea]

PHOENIX - Saying the minority must be tolerant of the majority, Republicans who control the Senate Appropriations Committee voted Tuesday to require a copy of the Ten Commandments to be erected in front of the old state Capitol.
SB 1213 directs the Legislative Council, the main occupant of the building, to look for donations to put up a monument, plaque or some other permanent form of the Ten Commandments. The measure now goes to the full Senate.

Even putting aside the whole Church-State thing, how the hell do you justify the expense?

But Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who crafted the measure, said it's wrong to think of the Ten Commandments as religious. Instead, he called them "10 little rules," saying that if everyone honored them, "boy, what a better place this would be."

right.... What's the first of those rules, again?


Religious marker may be erected at old Capitol

Which version are they going to put up? The Catholic version? The Jewish version? The Protestant version?

 

[bodecea]

It's amazing how many seemingly intelligent people there are who don't understand the separation of church and state clause. So let me enlighten you people. The phrase originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802, was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.

The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

Which church gets to stick their nose in the State's business?

 

[Nosmo King]

PHOENIX - Saying the minority must be tolerant of the majority, Republicans who control the Senate Appropriations Committee voted Tuesday to require a copy of the Ten Commandments to be erected in front of the old state Capitol.
SB 1213 directs the Legislative Council, the main occupant of the building, to look for donations to put up a monument, plaque or some other permanent form of the Ten Commandments. The measure now goes to the full Senate.

Even putting aside the whole Church-State thing, how the hell do you justify the expense?

But Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who crafted the measure, said it's wrong to think of the Ten Commandments as religious. Instead, he called them "10 little rules," saying that if everyone honored them, "boy, what a better place this would be."

right.... What's the first of those rules, again?


Religious marker may be erected at old Capitol

I am the Lord thy God! Thou shalt have no other gods before Me!

 

[Conspiracist]

Which church gets to stick their nose in the State's business?

There was a midget girl at one the local strip clubs here. I hear her nose was always in someone's business!

:drumroll: :Cymbalclash:

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It's amazing how many seemingly intelligent people there are who don't understand the separation of church and state clause. So let me enlighten you people. The phrase originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802, was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.

The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

Which church gets to stick their nose in the State's business?

All of them. The "state's business" is "our" business, you know "we the people". The separation clause's main purpose was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists. The Supreme Court in 1892 gave what is known as the Trinity Decision. In that decision the Supreme Court declared, "this is a Christian nation." John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was, it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." The founders were definitely Christian for the most part. At least 90 to 95 percentage of them were practicing, Trinitarian Christians. This and the additional supporting evidence below show conclusively that the concern that motivated the framers to include the establishment clause in the constitution was definitely not fear of the doctrinal religion of Christian Theism. It was understood that Christian Theism was the default state doctrinal religion. As opposed to being something to fear, it was something believed to be vital to the success of our government. Consequently, the framers feared a state denominational religion not a state doctrinal religion! Some additional evidences that indicate Christian Theism was the national doctrinal religion are listed below:

• Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
• The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
• God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
• As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
• Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
• The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
• Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
• Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
• Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
• Our national anthem mentions God.
• The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
• The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
• Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
• Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
• The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

There's going to be an erection at the old Capitol?

Excellent. We can finally discover the truth behind the saying 'everything's bigger in Texas'.

On topic: Unless you are paying for it, mind your own damned business about what Texans spend their money on.

Arizona.

 

[bodecea]

PHOENIX - Saying the minority must be tolerant of the majority, Republicans who control the Senate Appropriations Committee voted Tuesday to require a copy of the Ten Commandments to be erected in front of the old state Capitol.
SB 1213 directs the Legislative Council, the main occupant of the building, to look for donations to put up a monument, plaque or some other permanent form of the Ten Commandments. The measure now goes to the full Senate.

Even putting aside the whole Church-State thing, how the hell do you justify the expense?

But Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who crafted the measure, said it's wrong to think of the Ten Commandments as religious. Instead, he called them "10 little rules," saying that if everyone honored them, "boy, what a better place this would be."

right.... What's the first of those rules, again?


Religious marker may be erected at old Capitol

I am the Lord thy God! Thou shalt have no other gods before Me!

So, that is polygamy.

 

[bodecea]

It's amazing how many seemingly intelligent people there are who don't understand the separation of church and state clause. So let me enlighten you people. The phrase originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802, was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.

The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

Which church gets to stick their nose in the State's business?

All of them. The "state's business" is "our" business, you know "we the people". The separation clause's main purpose was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists. The Supreme Court in 1892 gave what is known as the Trinity Decision. In that decision the Supreme Court declared, "this is a Christian nation." John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was, it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." The founders were definitely Christian for the most part. At least 90 to 95 percentage of them were practicing, Trinitarian Christians. This and the additional supporting evidence below show conclusively that the concern that motivated the framers to include the establishment clause in the constitution was definitely not fear of the doctrinal religion of Christian Theism. It was understood that Christian Theism was the default state doctrinal religion. As opposed to being something to fear, it was something believed to be vital to the success of our government. Consequently, the framers feared a state denominational religion not a state doctrinal religion! Some additional evidences that indicate Christian Theism was the national doctrinal religion are listed below:

• Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
• The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
• God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
• As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
• Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
• The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
• Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
• Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
• Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
• Our national anthem mentions God.
• The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
• The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
• Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
• Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
• The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.

The examples you give are NOT "all of them." Where is our Buddhist symbols on our public buildings paid for by tax money? Our Muslim symbols paid for by tax money? Our Hindu symbols paid for by tax money? Our Pastafarian symbols paid for by tax money? Our Druid symbols paid for by tax money? Our Voodoo symbols paid for by tax money? Our Ba'hai symbols paid for by tax money? Our Shinto symbols paid for by tax money?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Which church gets to stick their nose in the State's business?

All of them. The "state's business" is "our" business, you know "we the people". The separation clause's main purpose was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists. The Supreme Court in 1892 gave what is known as the Trinity Decision. In that decision the Supreme Court declared, "this is a Christian nation." John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was, it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." The founders were definitely Christian for the most part. At least 90 to 95 percentage of them were practicing, Trinitarian Christians. This and the additional supporting evidence below show conclusively that the concern that motivated the framers to include the establishment clause in the constitution was definitely not fear of the doctrinal religion of Christian Theism. It was understood that Christian Theism was the default state doctrinal religion. As opposed to being something to fear, it was something believed to be vital to the success of our government. Consequently, the framers feared a state denominational religion not a state doctrinal religion! Some additional evidences that indicate Christian Theism was the national doctrinal religion are listed below:

• Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
• The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
• God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
• As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
• Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
• The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
• Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
• Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
• Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
• Our national anthem mentions God.
• The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
• The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
• Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
• Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
• The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.

The examples you give are NOT "all of them." Where is our Buddhist symbols on our public buildings paid for by tax money? Our Muslim symbols paid for by tax money? Our Hindu symbols paid for by tax money? Our Pastafarian symbols paid for by tax money? Our Druid symbols paid for by tax money? Our Voodoo symbols paid for by tax money? Our Ba'hai symbols paid for by tax money? Our Shinto symbols paid for by tax money?

Point out where I stated those examples I gave were ALL of them. Fact is all religions have a voice in this country per the first amendment. The fact that this country was founded upon Judeo-Christian principles it would stand to reason why christianity is prominant. Putting up religious symbols is not "churches sticking their nose in states business" and I wonder why you think it would be.

 

[bodecea]

It's amazing how many seemingly intelligent people there are who don't understand the separation of church and state clause. So let me enlighten you people. The phrase originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802, was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.

The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

Which church gets to stick their nose in the State's business?

All of them. The "state's business" is "our" business, you know "we the people". The separation clause's main purpose was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists. The Supreme Court in 1892 gave what is known as the Trinity Decision. In that decision the Supreme Court declared, "this is a Christian nation." John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was, it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." The founders were definitely Christian for the most part. At least 90 to 95 percentage of them were practicing, Trinitarian Christians. This and the additional supporting evidence below show conclusively that the concern that motivated the framers to include the establishment clause in the constitution was definitely not fear of the doctrinal religion of Christian Theism. It was understood that Christian Theism was the default state doctrinal religion. As opposed to being something to fear, it was something believed to be vital to the success of our government. Consequently, the framers feared a state denominational religion not a state doctrinal religion! Some additional evidences that indicate Christian Theism was the national doctrinal religion are listed below:

• Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
• The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
• God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
• As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
• Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
• The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
• Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
• Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
• Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
• Our national anthem mentions God.
• The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
• The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
• Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
• Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
• The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.

Maybe you didn't mean what you said? Or just lied?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

There's going to be an erection at the old Capitol?

With all the cute secretaries in their power outfits with high heels, can you doubt it?

 

[del]

Which church gets to stick their nose in the State's business?

All of them. The "state's business" is "our" business, you know "we the people". The separation clause's main purpose was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists. The Supreme Court in 1892 gave what is known as the Trinity Decision. In that decision the Supreme Court declared, "this is a Christian nation." John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was, it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." The founders were definitely Christian for the most part. At least 90 to 95 percentage of them were practicing, Trinitarian Christians. This and the additional supporting evidence below show conclusively that the concern that motivated the framers to include the establishment clause in the constitution was definitely not fear of the doctrinal religion of Christian Theism. It was understood that Christian Theism was the default state doctrinal religion. As opposed to being something to fear, it was something believed to be vital to the success of our government. Consequently, the framers feared a state denominational religion not a state doctrinal religion! Some additional evidences that indicate Christian Theism was the national doctrinal religion are listed below:

• Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
• The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
• God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
• As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
• Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
• The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
• Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
• Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
• Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
• Our national anthem mentions God.
• The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
• The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
• Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
• Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
• The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.

The examples you give are NOT "all of them." Where is our Buddhist symbols on our public buildings paid for by tax money? Our Muslim symbols paid for by tax money? Our Hindu symbols paid for by tax money? Our Pastafarian symbols paid for by tax money? Our Druid symbols paid for by tax money? Our Voodoo symbols paid for by tax money? Our Ba'hai symbols paid for by tax money? Our Shinto symbols paid for by tax money?

a local town has a symbol associated with both buddhism and hinduism as a recurring theme throughout its town hall decor. this kind of stuff really doesn't bother me. there's all kinds of things paid for with tax money that i don't agree with, why should money spent on somebody's idea of a religious symbol piss me off any more than money spent researching the learning habits of honeybees?