Zone1 Religion Versus Evolution

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Again, where did the first chimpanzee come from?

The creation account describes the creation of the universe and then everything unfolding sequentially in a logical fashion over time.

Don’t read it like an idiot. God gave you a brain. Use it.

 

[ChristisKing]

The creation account describes the creation of the universe and then everything unfolding sequentially in a logical fashion over time.

My mistake I misread it and didn't realize that you believe in both accounts. My apologies.

 

[Cougarbear]

How old do you believe the earth is and why?

I’m guessing longer than 6,000 years. Creationists aren’t accounting for the time Adam and Eve were in the Garden. Could be a few years. A few thousand years. Maybe a few billion years. See, God is outside of time. So we’re Adam and Eve. Now, the problem with this is “no death” limited to Adam and Eve? For animals and creepy crawly things? Does it include creatures of the sea? The video said land creatures and mankind. I’ll have to do more digging on this. I’m going to say man and animals.

 

[Quantrill]

The creation account describes the creation of the universe and then everything unfolding sequentially in a logical fashion over time.

Don’t read it like an idiot. God gave you a brain. Use it.

The Bible does describe the creation account. (Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." No evolution there.

(Heb. 11:3) "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

God spake the universe into existence out of nothing. No evolution here.

Quantrill

 

[Kyrion]

Are you going to answer my question?

Again, where did the first chimpanzee come from?

 

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I’m guessing longer than 6,000 years. Creationists aren’t accounting for the time Adam and Eve were in the Garden. Could be a few years. A few thousand years. Maybe a few billion years. See, God is outside of time. So we’re Adam and Eve. Now, the problem with this is “no death” limited to Adam and Eve? For animals and creepy crawly things? Does it include creatures of the sea? The video said land creatures and mankind. I’ll have to do more digging on this. I’m going to say man and animals.

The earth is -4 billion years old.

 

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The Bible does describe the creation account. (Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." No evolution there.

(Heb. 11:3) "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

God spake the universe into existence out of nothing. No evolution here.

Quantrill

Keep reading because it does describe events unfolding sequentially over time.

 

[Quantrill]

Keep reading because it does describe events unfolding sequentially over time.

What unfolded next was the destruction and judgement upon the earth in (Gen. 1:2)

The 6 days of recreation would then follow. But, neither is that any evolution. Only by the spoken Word of God. "And God said"

Quantrill

 

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What unfolded next was the destruction and judgement upon the earth in (Gen. 1:2)

The 6 days of recreation would then follow. But, neither is that any evolution. Only by the spoken Word of God. "And God said"

Quantrill

6 days is over time. As in it evolved over time… sequentially.

Not really interested in arguing about this with you.

 

[Quantrill]

6 days is over time. As in it evolved over time… sequentially.

Not really interested in arguing about this with you.

No. Just because God recreated the heaven and earth in 6 days, one day after the other, doesn't make it evolution. "And God said" No evolution. Creation by the spoken Word of God.

That's fine.

Quantrill

 

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No. Just because God recreated the heaven and earth in 6 days, one day after the other, doesn't make it evolution. "And God said" No evolution. Creation by the spoken Word of God.

That's fine.

Quantrill

It didn’t happen that way. That was an allegorical description of God creating the universe and the universe evolving in a logical sequence over time.

 

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There have been 5 stages of evolution of space and time; cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, chemical evolution, biological evolution and evolution of consciousness.

In his book, "The Phenomenon of Man" Pierre Teilhard de Chardin describes evolution as a process that leads to increasing complexity, culminating in a Christ consciousness. He limited his observations to biological evolution but the same observation can be made about all stages of the evolution of space and time. The complexification of matter increased until it naturally and logically made the leap to the next stage. The last and final stage of evolution of space and time is consciousness. So it seems logical that consciousness would also increase in complexity until it to made the leap to the next stage which Chardin describes as Christ consciousness.

1. The universe began as a soup of subatomic particles and radiation and naturally and logically complexified into hydrogen and helium. This is what is called the cosmic stage of the evolution of space and time.
2. Hydrogen and helium then naturally and logically complexified into structures like stars and galaxies. This is what is called the stellar stage of the evolution of space and time.
3. From the life cycle of galaxies and stars all of the other elements and compounds were naturally and logically formed. This is what is called the chemical stage of the evolution of space and time.
4. As chemical evolution naturally and logically complexified the leap to biological life was made. This is what is called the biological stage of the evolution of space and time.
5. As life logically and naturally evolved and complexified the leap to consciousness was made. This is what is called the conscious stage of of the evolution of space and time.

So we can see that each successive stage of the evolution of space and time complexified until it made the leap to the next stage. And it did so naturally and logically. So Chardin's assumption that consciousness will make the leap to a Christ consciousness is logical because it presumes that consciousness will evolve and complexify and make the leap to the next level because every other stage of the evolution of space and time did so too before it.

 

[ChristisKing]

Are you going to answer my question?

I'm not sure what question you're referring to but why should I answer any of your questions when you don't answer mine?

 

[Kyrion]

I'm not sure what question you're referring to but why should I answer any of your questions when you don't answer mine?

Try again. Why do you prefer the lazy authoritarian argument instead of doing real science?

 

[Cougarbear]

The earth is -4 billion years old.

According to who? There’s plenty of evidence you are wrong. But your cognitive dissonance doesn’t allow you to study the evidence. What you read from one side becomes truth to you. You are no scientist.

 

[Quantrill]

It didn’t happen that way. That was an allegorical description of God creating the universe and the universe evolving in a logical sequence over time.

It's not an allegory because you say so. The only reason you determine that there is allegory used in the Bible, is that it disagrees with your logic. Which means you are just writing your own Bible.

How silly.

It did happen that way, and I showed you in Scripture. You offer nothing in Scripture to disprove it. why? Because Scripture doesn't prove anything to you. Only your logic based upon your science.

With you, your logic and science trumps the Bible.

Total bs. And I thought you said you didn't want to argue the point. Yet here you are again, arguing the point. Lying again.

Quantrill

 

[Cougarbear]

It's not an allegory because you say so. The only reason you determine that there is allegory used in the Bible, is that it disagrees with your logic. Which means you are just writing your own Bible.

How silly.

It did happen that way, and I showed you in Scripture. You offer nothing in Scripture to disprove it. why? Because Scripture doesn't prove anything to you. Only your logic based upon your science.

With you, your logic and science trumps the Bible.

Total bs. And I thought you said you didn't want to argue the point. Yet here you are again, arguing the point. Lying again.

Quantrill

Cognitive Dissonance, normalcy bias or whatever really stops some people from belief in God. They need empirical proof. Like Thomas did.

 

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According to who? There’s plenty of evidence you are wrong. But your cognitive dissonance doesn’t allow you to study the evidence. What you read from one side becomes truth to you. You are no scientist.

The geologic record.

 

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It's not an allegory because you say so. The only reason you determine that there is allegory used in the Bible, is that it disagrees with your logic. Which means you are just writing your own Bible.

How silly.

It did happen that way, and I showed you in Scripture. You offer nothing in Scripture to disprove it. why? Because Scripture doesn't prove anything to you. Only your logic based upon your science.

With you, your logic and science trumps the Bible.

Total bs. And I thought you said you didn't want to argue the point. Yet here you are again, arguing the point. Lying again.

Quantrill

It's pretty obvious it's allegory. Deal with it.

 

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Cognitive Dissonance, normalcy bias or whatever really stops some people from belief in God. They need empirical proof. Like Thomas did.

I believe in God. I just don't read the creation account like an unthinking imbecile.