Zone1 Religion is not needed if a "golden rule" is valued

[toobfreak]

Religion is not needed if a "golden rule" is valued​

That may be true, but just as wings are not needed if you can flap hard enough with your arms being technically true, does not necessarily mean that it really reflects reality.

 

[Libby von H]

By that 'logic' no one who follows the Golden Rule woud be changed an iota by whether someone else freely was religious or not.

 

[ding]

I said YOU call it chaos

It is what it is as its nature demands.

And you have been telling me you know what happened before the universe came into being for quite a long time now.

I have always said we don't really know and it's all speculation and what's more it's meaningless speculation

If you are arguing that chaos doesn't have meaning because it is what nature demands, that's an idiotic argument. The description of chaos has meaning in the context of order. If the universe were never ordered we would have never discovered that chaos had no meaning or meaning. Just like a fish wouldn't know it is wet.

The creator creating order from chaos is a core belief of monotheism and serves as a parable for life itself. Atheists - especially militant ones - never bother to consider meaningful questions and issues like these. As such they are woefully unprepared to discuss them. They ted to dismiss these questions as unworthy of their time.

 

[Libby von H]

They ask I answer sorry you don't like the answer...Yet a religion that motivates people to harm is worthless in my eyes.

Okay, logic ambulance has just arrived...
Now, you give no responsibility for the person who joins or converts to any religion BUT you give all blame to the religion if you judge it an evil religion. Well, then . What kind of person joins an evil religion? What kind of person doesn't recognize harm BEFORE joining and continues not to afterwards. Is this not you doing your "I am superior" thing. Blame the person. If you kill someone because of their religioni, if you perform FGM on little girls, if you approve terrorism, if you hate whole other religions THAT IS ENTIRELY ON YOU

 

[ding]

By that 'logic' no one who follows the Golden Rule woud be changed an iota by whether someone else freely was religious or not.

I think atheists - especially the militant ones - make a bigger deal out of religion than religion really is. They see religion as a form of mind control; forcing everyone to believe the exact same thing. Of course that hasn't been my experience, as I know full well that even within religious sects there are differences of opinion. As well there should be. But they are missing the bigger point. Religion is natural. It's natural for birds of a feather to flock together. Religious communities serve a need no other agency can provide; religious communities provide comfort from suffering, thankfulness, and hope. It's not an accident that religion is a part of man's existence. It's quite logical.

 

[Blues Man]

If you are arguing that chaos doesn't have meaning because it is what nature demands, that's an idiotic argument. The description of chaos has meaning in the context of order. If the universe were never ordered we would have never discovered that chaos had no meaning or meaning. Just like a fish wouldn't know it is wet.

The creator creating order from chaos is a core belief of monotheism and serves as a parable for life itself. Atheists - especially militant ones - never bother to consider meaningful questions and issues like these. As such they are woefully unprepared to discuss them. They ted to dismiss these questions as unworthy of their time.

You like your labels. I don't care for labels.

And there you go again telling me you know what it was like before the universe came to be but you rail at me when I speculate on that very topic.

But you're so fucking arrogant that you just cannot say we don't really know.

 

[ding]

You like your labels. I don't care for labels.

And there you go again telling me you know what it was like before the universe came to be but you rail at me when I speculate on that very topic.

But you're so fucking arrogant that you just cannot say we don't really know.

You place way to much importance on religion. As such it is affecting your ability to be objective about anything remotely related to God.

 

[Blues Man]

You place way to much importance on religion. As such it is affecting your ability to be objective about anything remotely related to God.

I place ZERO importance on religion and you've been whining about that for along time now. Make up your mind already.

Your god has nothing to do with the religions men have invented around it.

 

[ding]

I place ZERO importance on religion and you've been whining about that for along time now. Make up your mind already.

Your god has nothing to do with the religions men have invented around it.

Your behaviors say you place great importance on religion. You don't attack things of no consequence. There's nothing inconsistent with my saying you are a militant atheist and you place great importance on religion. Ending religion is the central focus of militant atheists. So nothing inconsistent there at all.

 

[Mashmont]

There are MANY religions, and most are thousands of years old when few were able to read, and even fewer understood scientific knowledge about the universe that is evident today.
Which religion is best? Why would you choose a religion when its leaders don't understand natural, scientific reality?

Empathy and a golden rule is all one needs to be "ethical".

Excellent. So let's apply the Golden Rule to the unborn. Since you liberals are glad you were allowed to be born, let's extend the same courtesy to those who have yet to be born. The Golden Rule.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Religious communities serve a need no other agency can provide; religious communities provide comfort from suffering, thankfulness, and hope.

Bunk.

Spiritual but not religious - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ding]

Bunk.

Spiritual but not religious - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Can you name non-religious organizations which serve these needs?

 

[Blues Man]

Your behaviors say you place great importance on religion. You don't attack things of no consequence. There's nothing inconsistent with my saying you are a militant atheist and you place great importance on religion. Ending religion is the central focus of militant atheists. So nothing inconsistent there at all.

You can't have it both ways, Donkey. Either I am subordinating religion or I think it's important. Make up your mind.

And you're a religious zealot who has a persecution complex so that explains you.

 

[ding]

You can't have it both ways, Donkey. Either I am subordinating religion or I think it's important. Make up your mind.

And you're a religious zealot who has a persecution complex so that explains you.

You subordinate religion because you place too much importance on it. Importance does not necessarily mean good. You irrationally blame religion for the actions of men and have placed great importance on those irrational beliefs.

You say I am a religious zealot who has a persecution complex. I say I am defending religion from the attacks of militant atheists who single out Christianity.

 

[Blues Man]

You subordinate religion because you place too much importance on it. Importance does not necessarily mean good. You irrationally blame religion for the actions of men and have placed great importance on those irrational beliefs.

You say I am a religious zealot who has a persecution complex. I say I am defending religion from the attacks of militant atheists who single out Christianity.

I place ZERO importance on it which you have been whining about for countless posts now you're singing a different tune.

And I say you are a religious zealot and not just a religious zealot but a hypocritical one because you say you would abolish religions you don't agree with and I can quote you on that but you cannot quote me saying that can you?

 

[ding]

I place ZERO importance on it which you have been whining about for countless posts now you're singing a different tune.

And I say you are a religious zealot and not just a religious zealot but a hypocritical one because you say you would abolish religions you don't agree with and I can quote you on that but you cannot quote me saying that can you?

Your posts say otherwise. Criticizing Christianity is extremely important to you. So important that you can't control not doing it.

I love how you ask me if I would put a halt to a religious practice that poked out the eyes of children and turn that into I would abolish religions I don't agree with. You are out of control.

 

[Blues Man]

Your posts say otherwise. Criticizing Christianity is extremely important to you. So important that you can't control not doing it.

I love how you ask me if I would put a halt to a religion that poked out the eyes of children and turn that into I would abolish religions I don't agree with. You are out of control.

My posts say exactly what they say and not what you think they say.

You add words, make shit up and try to be Sigmund Fraud because you just can't stand that I disagree with you and you take it personally.

And you're the one who said you would never have any reason to question the faith of someone else so you're a hypocrite.

 

[ding]

My posts say exactly what they say and not what you think they say.

You add words, make shit up and try to be Sigmund Fraud because you just can't stand that I disagree with you and you take it personally.

And you're the one who said you would never have any reason to question the faith of someone else so you're a hypocrite.

I'm perfectly happy with you posting your poorly thought out opinions. It gives me something to write about.

 

[Blues Man]

I'm perfectly happy with you posting your poorly thought out opinions. It gives me something to write about.

Yeah says the guy's whose answer to everything is "A god did it"

 

[ding]

Yeah says the guy's whose answer to everything is "A god did it"

You seem upset.