Registration of firearms leads to confiscation

[rightwinger]

Most violent and property crimes in the U.S. go unsolved

In 2015, 47% of the violent crimes and 35% of the property crimes tracked by the Bureau of Justice Statistics were reported to police.

www.pewresearch.org

Your link does not provide data on armed robbery of a business

 

[Blues Man]

Your link does not provide data on armed robbery of a business

cherry picking at its finest

 

[rightwinger]

cherry picking at its finest

Not really
Your link does not debunk what I posted

 

[GLASNOST]

Whether it’s abortion or guns – ‘bans’ don’t work; whether it’s ‘banning’ abortion or guns, both are examples of increasing the authority of the state at the expense of individual liberty.

When your car gets stolen or your home is broken into .... you know what I'm going to tell you, right? Making it illegal (and depriving criminals of their livelihood) is an example of the authority of the state at the expense of individual liberty.

 

[OKTexas]

Revenge will stir up your existing MAGA crazies, but it won't convince anybody else to join your cult.

As usual, you commies are thinking smoke and mirrors can fool the public again, you're wrong.

Nearly 8 In 10 Americans Believe U.S. Has A Two-Tiered Justice System: Survey | The Daily Wire

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What you propagandist call revenge, the rest of the country will call justice.

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[BULLDOG]

As usual, you commies are thinking smoke and mirrors can fool the public again, you're wrong.

Nearly 8 In 10 Americans Believe U.S. Has A Two-Tiered Justice System: Survey | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

What you propagandist call revenge, the rest of the country will call justice.

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the 2 tiered justice system existed long before Biden was president.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... your existing MAGA crazies .....

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As usual, you commies ..... .

This is why the US will never amount to anything. Two opposing idiots arguing over nothing but absurd conclusions. Typical American buffoonery dupped into extremist nonsense.

 

[OKTexas]

the 2 tiered justice system existed long before Biden was president.

Yep, but the xiden regime has amplified it, it's long past time to hold people accountable. Trump hired Wray to clean up the FBI, not **** it up more. And Garland has made everything worse and the American people see it.

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[Stann]

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Office of Justice Programs | Office of Justice Programs>abstracts>effects of offender weapon use and victim self-defense in robbery.

 

[Batcat]

When the second amendment is repealed then denying you keeping and bearing arms won't be called infringement. It will be called honouring the Constitution and upholding the law.

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I like what the Free State Of Florida Statutes and Constitution has to say about gun registration.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

790.335 Prohibition of registration of firearms; electronic records.—
(1) LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND INTENT.—
(a) The Legislature finds and declares that:
1. The right of individuals to keep and bear arms is guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a law enforcement tool and can become an instrument for profiling, harassing, or abusing law-abiding citizens based on their choice to own a firearm and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution. Further, such a list, record, or registry has the potential to fall into the wrong hands and become a shopping list for thieves.
3. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a tool for fighting terrorism, but rather is an instrument that can be used as a means to profile innocent citizens and to harass and abuse American citizens based solely on their choice to own firearms and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution.
4. Law-abiding firearm owners whose names have been illegally recorded in a list, record, or registry are entitled to redress.
(b) The Legislature intends through the provisions of this section to:
1. Protect the right of individuals to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2. Protect the privacy rights of law-abiding firearm owners.
(2) PROHIBITIONS.—No state governmental agency or local government, special district, or other political subdivision or official, agent, or employee of such state or other governmental entity or any other person, public or private, shall knowingly and willfully keep or cause to be kept any list, record, or registry of privately owned firearms or any list, record, or registry of the owners of those firearms.

 

[GLASNOST]

When the second amendment is repealed then denying you keeping and bearing arms won't be called infringement. It will be called honouring the Constitution and upholding the law.

I like what the Free State Of Florida Statutes and Constitution has to say about gun registration.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

I am trying to see what it has to do with my post or at least the purpose of yours.

 

[OKTexas]

Office of Justice Programs | Office of Justice Programs>abstracts>effects of offender weapon use and victim self-defense in robbery.

Guess what hero, you link doesn't back up your claim of:

Store owners who have guns are 17 times more likely to be shot.

From your link:
Abstract
Results revealed that self-protection of any kind apparently reduces the probability of the robbery being completed. Armed resistance is more effective than unarmed resistance; resistance with a gun, although relatively rare, is the most effective victim response of all.

VICTIM RESISTANCE AND OFFENDER WEAPON EFFECTS IN ROBBERY | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

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[Batcat]

I am trying to see what it has to do with my post or at least the purpose of yours.

Registration makes confiscation easier. If you ever manage to do away with the Second Amendment your next goal will be in ban and confiscate civialian owned firearms.

It might be wisest to wait until the old timers die off before you push your plans. The younger generations look a lot more gullible.

 

[GLASNOST]

Registration makes confiscation easier. If you ever manage to do away with the Second Amendment your next goal will be in ban and confiscate civialian owned firearms.

I'm sure you are right but that isn't the point ..... my point.

It might be wisest to wait until the old timers die off before you push your plans. The younger generations look a lot more gullible.

I do side with the idea of eliminating guns but it isn't my plan. No personal offence to you but I don't give a shit if Americans kill each other off to the point of extinction. Keep your guns for all I care. My point is exactly as I stated it. Here it is again:

When the second amendment is repealed then denying you keeping and bearing arms won't be called infringement. It will be called honouring the Constitution and upholding the law.

So, am I right or am I right? Is what I wrote correct or is it not correct? And if I'm right then your reply with "Statutes and Constitution ..... about gun registration" is totally irrelevant. Your link is intersting and important to know but it is irrelvant to my statment.

 

[Batcat]

I'm sure you are right but that isn't the point ..... my point.

I do side with the idea of eliminating guns but it isn't my plan. No personal offence to you but I don't give a shit if Americans kill each other off to the point of extinction. Keep your guns for all I care. My point is exactly as I stated it. Here it is again:



So, am I right or am I right? Is what I wrote correct or is it not correct? And if I'm right then your reply with "Statutes and Constitution ..... about gun registration" is totally irrelevant. Your link is intersting and important to know but it is irrelvant to my statment.

You could do away with the Second Amendment and people could still own guns. You would then have to pass laws saying civilian gun ownership was illegal. Such laws would not be ruled unconstitutional as there no longer would be a Second Amendment.

 

[Blues Man]

Not really
Your link does not debunk what I posted

I don't know any crime stats that specifically categorize armed robberies of businesses

Do you?

 

[rightwinger]

I don't know any crime stats that specifically categorize armed robberies of businesses

Do you?

Generic “robbery” does not cut it

Overall, cameras in businesses and in surrounding areas have significantly increased the apprehension of armed robbers

Why would you deny that?

 

[Blues Man]

Generic “robbery” does not cut it

Overall, cameras in businesses and in surrounding areas have significantly increased the apprehension of armed robbers

Why would you deny that?

Armed robbery is armed robbery why don't you produce some stats on " Armed Business robbery" to prove your point?

 

[GLASNOST]

You could do away with the Second Amendment and people could still own guns. You would then have to pass laws saying civilian gun ownership was illegal. Such laws would not be ruled unconstitutional as there no longer would be a Second Amendment.

Yes, it must be something like that. But that's the problem - most Americans think that the phrase "shall not be infringed" is written in blood and stone and is above (more or less) the Constitution itself as though anything in the Consitution can be repealed or amended but because of that phrase it can NEVER be changed. Why they do not understand is a mystery. The second amendment is ITSELF an "amendment" so of course it can be amended or repealed!

 

[Auld Phart]

Yes, it must be something like that. But that's the problem - most Americans think that the phrase "shall not be infringed" is written in blood and stone and is above (more or less) the Constitution itself as though anything in the Consitution can be repealed or amended but because of that phrase it can NEVER be changed. Why they do not understand is a mystery. The second amendment is ITSELF an "amendment" so of course it can be amended or repealed!

Yes, it must be something like that. But that's the problem - most Americans think that the phrase "shall not be infringed" is written in blood and stone and is above (more or less) the Constitution itself as though anything in the Consitution can be repealed or amended

and there is a process for that,

Constitutional Amendment Process

The authority to amend the Constitution of the United States is derived from Article V of the Constitution. After Congress proposes an amendment, the Archivist of the United States, who heads the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), is charged with responsibility for...

www.archives.gov