Registration of firearms leads to confiscation

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The well regulated militia's were for the security of a free state. They have morphed into the Nation Guard in each state, under command of the governor. Another 10th amendment 'quirk'.

Where private armed citizens cannot constitute a ‘militia.’

Indeed, ‘well-regulated militia’ is an anachronism – the Second Amendment right is an individual – not collective – right unconnected with militia service.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Not at all.
For 49 years Roe was the constitutional law of the land.
Roe was based upon the SCOTUS'
interpretation of the 14th Amendment in 1973.

Likewise since 2008 (24 years) the SCOTUS' interpretation of the 2nd Amendment has been the constitutional law of the land.

No difference.

Now if you want to try to argue that the two cases are different because one is more "constitutional" than the other then that is not sensible or logical because you would be saying that two conflicting things are both true at the same time.
Either you ACCEPT and respect the SCOTUS' ability to interpret the U.S. Constitution and make laws accordingly.....or you don't.
If your opinion is that the SCOTUS' opinions are only valid and constitutional whenever YOU agree with them well then.....

You can see the problem there.

Correct.

The problem – again – is rightwing hypocrisy, where conservatives’ perception of the Constitution is based on rightwing political dogma, not the Constitution and the consistent application of its case law.

 

[Auld Phart]

Where private armed citizens cannot constitute a ‘militia.’

Indeed, ‘well-regulated militia’ is an anachronism – the Second Amendment right is an individual – not collective – right unconnected with militia service.

Where private armed citizens cannot constitute a ‘militia.’

Were the Minute Men a militia?


Did they answer to the 'state'?

 

[GLASNOST]

Officer, I got bad gas.....

Ah, that explains your erratic acceleration. Try using super premium octane next time.

 

[Delldude]

Exactly
Why do we need federal gun rights when the states are capable of taking care of it

Ask your progressive liberals.

 

[Delldude]

Ozzie and Harriet were never an accurate depiction of America as a whole. We can never get back to that because it never existed.

Yes they were....that was when the dem's were doing their best to trample on civil rights of minorities.

 

[Delldude]

Where private armed citizens cannot constitute a ‘militia.’

Indeed, ‘well-regulated militia’ is an anachronism – the Second Amendment right is an individual – not collective – right unconnected with militia service.

They did in the 1800's.....and still do.

 

[bravoactual]

Such is the right’s hypocrisy, so much for conservatives being ‘advocates’ of “states’ rights.”

Cons believe in States Rights, when they want the State's to those rights. Otherwise, sorry.

 

[Delldude]

Cons believe in States Rights, when they want the State's to those rights. Otherwise, sorry.

Enumerated within the COTUS.
The way it is supposed to be.

 

[Jarlaxle]

First off, I am NOT rich. Far from it. I want strict Firearms Control. "This is rifle, this is my gun, one is for shooting and one is for fun."

Nor can you site where I wrote that. You do not need lie to make your point, which is what you just did.

Come on, you can admit it...at least to yourself. You want guns limited to the "right" people...the rich, the well-connected, police, criminals.

 

[beagle9]

Not much of a well regulated militia…

Suppose my town is concerned about a Commie invasion that we have to repel.
We need to form a well regulated militia to fend off the Commie Horde

How can we do that if we don’t know who in town owns guns and what type of guns they have?
We can’t fight off the Commies with a bunch of .22s

Really dude really??? ROTFLMBO... Keep squealing boy, but know that no one is listening with any seriousness to your made up bull crap.

 

[Blues Man]

And its case law determines how the government regulates and limits that right.

Tell that to the State of NY who just had their laws on guns deemed unconstitutional

 

[Stann]

Tell that to the State of NY who just had their laws on guns deemed unconstitutional

As long as the gun Insanity continues to get worse the laws will get be less lenient about their use.

 

[Blues Man]

As long as the gun Insanity continues to get worse the laws will get be less lenient about their use.

More laws has never been the answer.

What we need to do is actually enforce the gun laws we have on the books. State governments AND the federal government have completely ignored their duties to enforce gun laws.

Every single instance of any prohibited persons possessing a firearm is a federal crime yet these crimes are never prosecuted in federal courts.
Some states drop over 70% of all gun charges in plea deals.

What happens when gun laws are actually enforced you ask?

We have data that proves when gun laws are enforced that all crime is reduced.

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

ojjdp.ojp.gov

Program Profile: Project Exile

A crime reduction strategy in Richmond, Virginia implemented to deter former and persons with the potential to commit a crime from carrying and using firearms, with an overall goal of reducing firearm-related homicides. The project is rated Promising. Firearm-related homicides decreased...

crimesolutions.ojp.gov

Rosenfeld and colleagues (2005) found a statistically significant intervention effect for Project Exile. Firearm homicides in Richmond exhibited a 22 percent yearly decline, compared with the average reduction of about 10 percent per year for other large U.S. cities. The difference is statistically significant.

 

[Stann]

More laws has never been the answer.

What we need to do is actually enforce the gun laws we have on the books. State governments AND the federal government have completely ignored their duties to enforce gun laws.

Every single instance of any prohibited persons possessing a firearm is a federal crime yet these crimes are never prosecuted in federal courts.
Some states drop over 70% of all gun charges in plea deals.

What happens when gun laws are actually enforced you ask?

We have data that proves when gun laws are enforced that all crime is reduced.

Project Exile, U.S. Attorney's Office -- Eastern District of Virginia

ojjdp.ojp.gov

Program Profile: Project Exile

A crime reduction strategy in Richmond, Virginia implemented to deter former and persons with the potential to commit a crime from carrying and using firearms, with an overall goal of reducing firearm-related homicides. The project is rated Promising. Firearm-related homicides decreased...

crimesolutions.ojp.gov

Rosenfeld and colleagues (2005) found a statistically significant intervention effect for Project Exile. Firearm homicides in Richmond exhibited a 22 percent yearly decline, compared with the average reduction of about 10 percent per year for other large U.S. cities. The difference is statistically significant.

That may be true, but stricter gun laws seem to make people feel safer. And over time they should help the situation.

 

[Auld Phart]

As long as the gun Insanity continues to get worse the laws will get be less

LIke during prohibition?

Drunk Driving dropped by 50%,

(couldn't buy a drink legally anywhere in the country, and drunk driving only decreased by 50%?)

Make all the laws you want. Criminals don't care.

 

[Blues Man]

That may be true, but stricter gun laws seem to make people feel safer. And over time they should help the situation.

No they don't

Reduced crime rates make people feel safer. And tell me what new gun law in the past couple decades had actually reduced the crime rate? Answer: Not a single one because they are not enforced.

 

[Bobob]

If you KNEW that a government effort to confiscate firearms would lead to tens of thousands of deaths in that process, would you still think it was the correct move?

Registration and confiscation are not the same.

 

[Blues Man]

Registration and confiscation are not the same.

The argument is that one leads to the other not that they are the same

 

[Stann]

LIke during prohibition?

Drunk Driving dropped by 50%,

(couldn't buy a drink legally anywhere in the country, and drunk driving only decreased by 50%?)

Make all the laws you want. Criminals don't care.

Criminals will always be criminals as long as they have access to guns. Eliminate the guns eliminate the problem.