red alert?! or no big deal? best send in spies? into IRAN?! again?! risky if you ask me.

[Mushroom]

The government of Iran was getting 16% of the profits from oil sales before Mossadegh was elected. 16% for no expense to effort, just sitting and getting the money from the people who paid for the infrastructure and paid to operate it. Without the Americans and British companies, there would have been no oil to sell and no profits to take 16% of.

The foreign oil companies invested billions into exploration, drilling, pipelines, refineries, ports, and other things in order to allow Iran to sell their oil. I think most people tend to forget that in the early to mid 20th century the Middle East was one of the poorest regions on the planet. And they sure as hell did not have the experience or money to invest in creating that infrastructure themselves.

And no, unlike what somebody tried to claim the Shah was not put into power by the Iranian Secret Police. He took power at the death of his father, Shah Reza Shah Pahlavi. Who by the way took over as the previous dynasty (Qajar) as it was incredibly corrupt and torn apart by civil war with multiple parts of the country breaking away as well as a larger army of foreigners backed by the Soviet Union that intended to annex it into the USSR.

That puppet army had already claimed the NW part of Persia (including Rasht on the Caspian Sea) and not only declared themselves the "Persian Socialist Soviet Republic", but they also proclaimed all of Persia was theirs and now part of the Soviet Union.

I always find it amazing the silly things people try to claim when they are unable to actually know or research history.

But nations and companies investing in other nations is nothing new, it has long been done when one needs infrastructure and does not have money to pay for it. And those that invest expect a return on their investment. And myself, I have absolutely no real problem if a nation makes the choice to nationalize their own assets.

But I also have absolutely no problem if when the companies or nations lose their investment without compensation, they then pull out and refuse to ever invest in that nation ever again. That is the state that Venezuela is currently in, they burned so many companies when Premier Chavez nationalized almost everything that nobody is willing to invest in them anymore.

 

[Mushroom]

The government of Iran was getting 16% of the profits from oil sales before Mossadegh was elected. 16% for no expense to effort, just sitting and getting the money from the people who paid for the infrastructure and paid to operate it. Without the Americans and British companies, there would have been no oil to sell and no profits to take 16% of.

And a lot of people seem to have problems comprehending that that was in 1951.

In 1951, Iranian oil production was only a little over 600,000 barrels a day. And crude oil prices at that time were only around $2.50 a barrel. That is only a hair over $1.5 million a day. That means that Iran was getting about $250k per day for the oil rights with no investment.

Most times when concessions are made in situations like that, the investment is never really paid off. Because they are constantly being expanded, especially as new oil fields are discovered and even more infrastructure is needed to exploit them. And at the time those concessions were made, Iran was very much a poor and impoverished nation.

That only turned around after the concessions in 1924. Which gave the nation the money to invest in things like education, health care, railroads which allowed it to become the most modernized and liberal nation in the region.

 

[Crepitus]

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note the article mentioned at the top-left of the screen please.
i forgot to cut-and-paste the article details in time, sorry.

i'm seeking opinions on the matters discussed in that article.
link : Iran vows to rebuild nuclear sites ‘stronger than before’

tRump's leaks got them all killed last time, so I say don't waste any more lives.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

Did you forget the premise of your own post?

Ah, then my reply is : let's ignore those irrelevant Dems then for now