Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"?

[Grumblenuts]

Govt gets in healthcare, costs shoot up. A dumbfucks solution? Let the people who fucked it up originally make it worse.
Murica

The first examples of legislation on health insurance date back to the late 19th century.2

Data from these early systems shows that healthcare expenditure only began rising several years after the expansion of insurance coverage, with the discovery of powerful new treatments

Like you, they go on.. trying not to blame the for-profit insurance industry but can't help themselves. The green and blue chart makes plain who began spending the most first.

 

[TNHarley]

Govt gets in healthcare, costs shoot up. A dumbfucks solution? Let the people who fucked it up originally make it worse.
Murica

The first examples of legislation on health insurance date back to the late 19th century.2

Data from these early systems shows that healthcare expenditure only began rising several years after the expansion of insurance coverage, with the discovery of powerful new treatments

Like you, they go on.. trying not to blame the for-profit insurance industry but can't help themselves. The green and blue chart makes plain who began spending the most first.

Nice chart in your link. Thanks for backing up my claim: lol:

 

[Grumblenuts]

As it can be seen, the top 5% of spenders account for almost half of spending, and the top 1% account for more than 20%. While some concentration in expenditure is to be expected when looking at the distribution across the entire population – because it is in the nature of healthcare that some individuals, particularly those older and with complicated health conditions, will require large expenditure –, these figures seem remarkably large. They suggest important inequality in access, over and above inequality in need. Indeed, the publisher of the graph notes that a report from the Medicare Payment Assessment Commission shows that personal spending for individuals covered by Medicaid is somewhat less concentrated than for the population as a whole.

Emphasis mine.

Just imagine.. healthcare without some profit taking middlemen inserting themselves between you and your doctor.. Horrors!

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"? Choose up to three.

Other - Compassion

Oh yes......COMPASSION. Compassion for themselves.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

If we want to declare ourselves as the greatest country on the planet, we should probably act like it.

That begins with taking care of our own.

Oh sure, take care of "our own". Our own and anyone else who desires a free ride too.

What kind of illogical fallacy is the poll at the head of this topic?

A. Straw man

B. Straw man

C. Straw man

D. All of the above.

If the race, feminine and victim cards aren't playable you can always play the straw man card. Most people don't know what it means, but sure sounds smart.

Try because our healthcare system is a mess and the most expensive in the world.

Any chance illegals and immigrants are large contributors to cost?

 

[Brain357]

Try because our healthcare system is a mess and the most expensive in the world.

 

[TNHarley]

As it can be seen, the top 5% of spenders account for almost half of spending, and the top 1% account for more than 20%. While some concentration in expenditure is to be expected when looking at the distribution across the entire population – because it is in the nature of healthcare that some individuals, particularly those older and with complicated health conditions, will require large expenditure –, these figures seem remarkably large. They suggest important inequality in access, over and above inequality in need. Indeed, the publisher of the graph notes that a report from the Medicare Payment Assessment Commission shows that personal spending for individuals covered by Medicaid is somewhat less concentrated than for the population as a whole.

Emphasis mine.

Just imagine.. healthcare without some profit taking middlemen inserting themselves between you and your doctor.. Horrors!

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it. That's better than having our failed corrupt congress ***** take it over.

 

[Brain357]

As it can be seen, the top 5% of spenders account for almost half of spending, and the top 1% account for more than 20%. While some concentration in expenditure is to be expected when looking at the distribution across the entire population – because it is in the nature of healthcare that some individuals, particularly those older and with complicated health conditions, will require large expenditure –, these figures seem remarkably large. They suggest important inequality in access, over and above inequality in need. Indeed, the publisher of the graph notes that a report from the Medicare Payment Assessment Commission shows that personal spending for individuals covered by Medicaid is somewhat less concentrated than for the population as a whole.

Emphasis mine.

Just imagine.. healthcare without some profit taking middlemen inserting themselves between you and your doctor.. Horrors!

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it. That's better than having our failed corrupt congress ***** take it over.

You have an example of a successful system like that?

 

[g5000]

Again, any jackass can attack another person's plan for solving a problem.

It takes a real man to put a better solution on the table and defend it, and so far Trump has been a total limp dick.

Republican Plan: Nothing. Continue forever with skyrocketing costs.

Democratic Plan: Universal health care.

Gee, I wonder which plan will win out in the long run!

 

[TNHarley]

As it can be seen, the top 5% of spenders account for almost half of spending, and the top 1% account for more than 20%. While some concentration in expenditure is to be expected when looking at the distribution across the entire population – because it is in the nature of healthcare that some individuals, particularly those older and with complicated health conditions, will require large expenditure –, these figures seem remarkably large. They suggest important inequality in access, over and above inequality in need. Indeed, the publisher of the graph notes that a report from the Medicare Payment Assessment Commission shows that personal spending for individuals covered by Medicaid is somewhat less concentrated than for the population as a whole.

Emphasis mine.

Just imagine.. healthcare without some profit taking middlemen inserting themselves between you and your doctor.. Horrors!

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it. That's better than having our failed corrupt congress ***** take it over.

You have an example of a successful system like that?

No. Do you have examples of our corrupt govt running healthcare for 330m people successfully?
Healthcare was FINE before the govt got involved.

 

[Brain357]

As it can be seen, the top 5% of spenders account for almost half of spending, and the top 1% account for more than 20%. While some concentration in expenditure is to be expected when looking at the distribution across the entire population – because it is in the nature of healthcare that some individuals, particularly those older and with complicated health conditions, will require large expenditure –, these figures seem remarkably large. They suggest important inequality in access, over and above inequality in need. Indeed, the publisher of the graph notes that a report from the Medicare Payment Assessment Commission shows that personal spending for individuals covered by Medicaid is somewhat less concentrated than for the population as a whole.

Emphasis mine.

Just imagine.. healthcare without some profit taking middlemen inserting themselves between you and your doctor.. Horrors!

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it. That's better than having our failed corrupt congress ***** take it over.

You have an example of a successful system like that?

No. Do you have examples of our corrupt govt running healthcare for 330m people successfully?
Healthcare was FINE before the govt got involved.

Nope, but we do have other country examples. When was healthcare fine? Cost has been skyrocketing a long time.

 

[g5000]

Still waiting on Trump's Obamacare replacement...

 

[Grumblenuts]

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it.

So you'll trust the government to make and enforce a law to outlaw health insurance but not to provide it. How many private insurers have helped patch up our wounded soldiers on the battlefield? Who else was going to do it?

 

[Brain357]

Still waiting on Trump's Obamacare replacement...

He’s gonna get us the best healthcare...

 

[g5000]

Still waiting on Trump's Obamacare replacement...

He’s gonna get us the best healthcare...

...at a tiny fraction of the cost. And it will be so easy!

 

[TNHarley]

As it can be seen, the top 5% of spenders account for almost half of spending, and the top 1% account for more than 20%. While some concentration in expenditure is to be expected when looking at the distribution across the entire population – because it is in the nature of healthcare that some individuals, particularly those older and with complicated health conditions, will require large expenditure –, these figures seem remarkably large. They suggest important inequality in access, over and above inequality in need. Indeed, the publisher of the graph notes that a report from the Medicare Payment Assessment Commission shows that personal spending for individuals covered by Medicaid is somewhat less concentrated than for the population as a whole.

Emphasis mine.

Just imagine.. healthcare without some profit taking middlemen inserting themselves between you and your doctor.. Horrors!

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it. That's better than having our failed corrupt congress ***** take it over.

You have an example of a successful system like that?

No. Do you have examples of our corrupt govt running healthcare for 330m people successfully?
Healthcare was FINE before the govt got involved.

Nope, but we do have other country examples. When was healthcare fine? Cost has been skyrocketing a long time.

No we dont. You cant compare another country to ours.
It was fine before govt got involved. Look at the graphs in this thread and research govt healthcare reform.
It was FINE before. Govt is, 9 times out of 10, NOT the answer.

 

[TNHarley]

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it.

So you'll trust the government to make and enforce a law to outlaw health insurance but not to provide it. How many private insurers have helped patch up our wounded soldiers on the battlefield? Who else was going to do it?

Our govt should take care of our soldiers. Not our citizens.

 

[Brain357]

Emphasis mine.

Just imagine.. healthcare without some profit taking middlemen inserting themselves between you and your doctor.. Horrors!

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it. That's better than having our failed corrupt congress ***** take it over.

You have an example of a successful system like that?

No. Do you have examples of our corrupt govt running healthcare for 330m people successfully?
Healthcare was FINE before the govt got involved.

Nope, but we do have other country examples. When was healthcare fine? Cost has been skyrocketing a long time.

No we dont. You cant compare another country to ours.
It was fine before govt got involved. Look at the graphs in this thread and research govt healthcare reform.
It was FINE before. Govt is, 9 times out of 10, NOT the answer.

Of course we can study other systems. Would be silly not to.

So tell me when it was so good. You dodged the question.

Now it’s a mess. Get something done and you get many bills and they come for months. A confusing mess.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it.

So you'll trust the government to make and enforce a law to outlaw health insurance but not to provide it. How many private insurers have helped patch up our wounded soldiers on the battlefield? Who else was going to do it?

Our govt should take care of our soldiers. Not our citizens.

Too bad. They do it anyway long after our soldiers come home and return to being citizens again. No one listens to you.

 

[TNHarley]

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it. That's better than having our failed corrupt congress ***** take it over.

You have an example of a successful system like that?

No. Do you have examples of our corrupt govt running healthcare for 330m people successfully?
Healthcare was FINE before the govt got involved.

Nope, but we do have other country examples. When was healthcare fine? Cost has been skyrocketing a long time.

No we dont. You cant compare another country to ours.
It was fine before govt got involved. Look at the graphs in this thread and research govt healthcare reform.
It was FINE before. Govt is, 9 times out of 10, NOT the answer.

Of course we can study other systems. Would be silly not to.

So tell me when it was so good. You dodged the question.

Now it’s a mess. Get something done and you get many bills and they come for months. A confusing mess.

How can you compare a country with 30m people to 330m people? Morethan half wont even be paying for it.
You cant compare, way too many variables.
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