Reagan Voted Best Post WWII President

[Wicked Jester]

i'm not a big reagan guy, but hindsight is 20/20.

it's like all those "duck and cover" cartoons. they're hilarious now; they weren't so funny when i was 7 and the cuban missile crisis was in full bloom.

at the time in the 80's, i can assure you that as far as anyone knew, the soviet threat was very real.

Remember those air raid sirens?

yep, and the trefoils on the bldgs with the shelter capacity on them.

I was stationed in Alaska from 81-83. We went and trained with the AK National guard up in Kotzebue. We bunked down at an air force Early Warning Defense Station. It was a tiny lil' outpost with two huge radar domes, and a couple of small barracks buildings. Underneath one of the building was a one lane bowling alley and small bar for the AF personnel. On the walls of the bar, it was covered in pictures, like wallpaper, of AF fighters escorting soviet migs out of US airspace over the Bering Straight. The threat in the 80's WAS very real. People just don't understand. Or, they understand, but for political reasons don't want to admit it. Reagans accomplishments in that area were huge for this great country. At no time did the soviets fear a US president like they did Reagan. And we are much better off for it!

 

[Modbert]

But I don't see you blaming any Dem President. But if you show me then I apologize respectfully of course.

Reagan did things wrong like any president. Iran-Contra was one of those that make me get pissed off at Ronnie.

But! The Soviet threat was at full swing, we had to do something about it, or i assure you Soviet Russia would've lived longer if not still very well alive.

His beginning of the deregulation that continued widely through Bush, Clinton, and then Dubya.

I place the blame at Clinton's feet equally for the things he did wrong, just like I do with Reagan.

Reagan did things wrong to the level that he deserves to not be anywhere near the top President since WWII.

The Soviet Threat was in full swing. However, it does not justify Reagan's lack of thinking or bad moves. That's we call bad leadership.

His outrageous spending may of helped to bring the death knell to the Soviet Union, however in the process he had a major role in creating the enemies we are fighting today in Afghanistan. And he is also one of the reasons that lead to the eventual demise of our relations with Iraq which has lead up to this current war.

 

[Tom Clancy]

But I don't see you blaming any Dem President. But if you show me then I apologize respectfully of course.

Reagan did things wrong like any president. Iran-Contra was one of those that make me get pissed off at Ronnie.

But! The Soviet threat was at full swing, we had to do something about it, or i assure you Soviet Russia would've lived longer if not still very well alive.

His beginning of the deregulation that continued widely through Bush, Clinton, and then Dubya.

I place the blame at Clinton's feet equally for the things he did wrong, just like I do with Reagan.

Reagan did things wrong to the level that he deserves to not be anywhere near the top President since WWII.

The Soviet Threat was in full swing. However, it does not justify Reagan's lack of thinking or bad moves. That's we call bad leadership.

His outrageous spending may of helped to bring the death knell to the Soviet Union, however in the process he had a major role in creating the enemies we are fighting today in Afghanistan. And he is also one of the reasons that lead to the eventual demise of our relations with Iraq which has lead up to this current war.

Oh so now you accept that the Soviet threat was in full swing..

Ok, so tell me what other alternative was there to defeat the Soviets and Defend ourselves?

He really had no choice.

 

[Modbert]

Oh so now you accept that the Soviet threat was in full swing..

Ok, so tell me what other alternative was there to defeat the Soviets and Defend ourselves?

He really had no choice.

I never said the Soviet threat wasn't existent at all. It just wasn't the level it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis and the 60's as I remarked in my response to Del.

He did have a choice. He did not have to fund Osama Bin Laden and his group in Afghanistan in order to defeat the Soviets. He did not have to do Iran Contra to defeat the Soviets. He did not have to give weapons to Iraq to kill Iranians and vice versa to defeat the Soviets.

He did not have to ignore the AIDS crisis to defeat the Soviets. Nor did he have to bring the deficit to outrageous levels.

Ronald Reagan did in fact have several choices on the table many times, and many times he chose the wrong one.

I never said we shouldn't of defeated the Soviets, however what you're doing is trying to make a false argument under false pretenses.

Edit: I suppose you apologize by the way.

 

[potter 58]

let them collapse under their own weight, they were well on their way on there own

 

[del]

let them collapse under their own weight, they were well on their way on there own

that's easy to say twenty years after the fact.

 

[potter 58]

Ronnie or no Braindead Ronnie

 

[del]

Ronnie or no Braindead Ronnie

he had nothing on you in that area.

 

[potter 58]

Hey Del we are heading down the same path, when we are spending as much as the top 20 or 30 countries combined on the military, something is badly out of wack

 

[del]

Hey Del we are heading down the same path, when we are spending as much as the top 20 or 30 countries combined on the military, something is badly out of wack

thanks, cap'n obvious.

here's a tip.

don't breathe underwater.

just wanted to show the same level of tremendous insight that you bring to each and every post.

 

[Sinatra]

Remember those air raid sirens?

yep, and the trefoils on the bldgs with the shelter capacity on them.

I was stationed in Alaska from 81-83. We went and trained with the AK National guard up in Kotzebue. We bunked down at an air force Early Warning Defense Station. It was a tiny lil' outpost with two huge radar domes, and a couple of small barracks buildings. Underneath one of the building was a one lane bowling alley and small bar for the AF personnel. On the walls of the bar, it was covered in pictures, like wallpaper, of AF fighters escorting soviet migs out of US airspace over the Bering Straight. The threat in the 80's WAS very real. People just don't understand. Or, they understand, but for political reasons don't want to admit it. Reagans accomplishments in that area were huge for this great country. At no time did the soviets fear a US president like they did Reagan. And we are much better off for it![/QUOTE]
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Great post!


A defining moment regarding the Reagan/Soviet relationship was when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. The Soviets were stunned that an American president would have the spine to do such a thing - politics be damned.

When Reagan walked out of talks with Gorbachev - to the dismay of many in Reagan's own circle, the Soviets were again astounded at how tough this President with the sunny disposition truly was. Reagan countered that Gorbachev would be back - and Reagan was once again proven right. His natural instincts were a far greater asset than all the egghead policy wonks in the beltway could muster.

The fall of the Soviet Union then led to what was known as the "Peace Divident" - the primary tool by which America briefly enjoyed balanced budgets. The Clinton economy was simply an extension of the Reagan economy - particularly when the conservatives took control during the midterm elections.

Ronald Reagan was indeed the greatest of America's post-WWII presidents...

 

[Wicked Jester]

Oh so now you accept that the Soviet threat was in full swing..

Ok, so tell me what other alternative was there to defeat the Soviets and Defend ourselves?

He really had no choice.

I never said the Soviet threat wasn't existent at all. It just wasn't the level it was during the Cuban Missile Crisis and the 60's as I remarked in my response to Del.

He did have a choice. He did not have to fund Osama Bin Laden and his group in Afghanistan in order to defeat the Soviets. He did not have to do Iran Contra to defeat the Soviets. He did not have to give weapons to Iraq to kill Iranians and vice versa to defeat the Soviets.

He did not have to ignore the AIDS crisis to defeat the Soviets. Nor did he have to bring the deficit to outrageous levels.

Ronald Reagan did in fact have several choices on the table many times, and many times he chose the wrong one.

I never said we shouldn't of defeated the Soviets, however what you're doing is trying to make a false argument under false pretenses.

Edit: I suppose you apologize by the way.

He owes you no apology whatsoever.

I'll let you deal with this one T.C.

Dealing with these clowns is a lesson in futility. Much like repeatedly over and over again.

They just don't get it.

Like I said, you ALWAYS hear the term "Reagan Democrat". You'll NEVER hear the term "Obama Republican"

The respect for Obama ain't happenin'!

Not unless he gets his shit together. Drops the liberal loons, and starts acting like a president with some balls who actually has a fucking clue.

Those people voted style over substance. And this great country is going to pay for that mistake for a couple of generations to come. If we're lucky that is!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

It's too soon to judge George W Bush; your adult children or grandchildren will come to appreciate what he has done to protect America. Like it or not, there were no more 9/11s on his watch.

 

[Modbert]

He owes you no apology whatsoever.

I'll let you deal with this one T.C.

Dealing with these clowns is a lesson in futility. Much like repeatedly over and over again.

They just don't get it.

Like I said, you ALWAYS hear the term "Reagan Democrat". You'll NEVER hear the term "Obama Republican"

The respect for Obama ain't happenin'!

Not unless he gets his shit together. Drops the liberal loons, and starts acting like a president with some balls who actually has a fucking clue.

Those people voted style over substance. And this great country is going to pay for that mistake for a couple of generations to come. If we're lucky that is!

You made a vital error. You missed the part where he said earlier that he said he'll apologize if I showed I blamed Dem Presidents equally. I did so earlier.

You seem to think Obama has something to do with this, he doesn't. What you're doing is deflecting off Reagan and trying to put it on Obama. Stop being a hack dude, honestly.

 

[Modbert]

It's too soon to judge George W Bush; your adult children or grandchildren will come to appreciate what he has done to protect America. Like it or not, there were no more 9/11s on his watch.

You contradict yourself in the very same sentence.

 

[Sinatra]

It's too soon to judge George W Bush; your adult children or grandchildren will come to appreciate what he has done to protect America. Like it or not, there were no more 9/11s on his watch.

The Bush legacy is already undergoing transformation and increased appreciation.

Bush remains a paradox- in many ways both our strongest and weakest president of the modern era - but in the end, he shall primarily be judged in the post 9/11 world, and in such judgement, he will likely stand taller than many see him now...

 

[potter 58]

like it or not, I would have prefered not , but hey everyone deserves a vacation

 

[Wicked Jester]

yep, and the trefoils on the bldgs with the shelter capacity on them.

I was stationed in Alaska from 81-83. We went and trained with the AK National guard up in Kotzebue. We bunked down at an air force Early Warning Defense Station. It was a tiny lil' outpost with two huge radar domes, and a couple of small barracks buildings. Underneath one of the building was a one lane bowling alley and small bar for the AF personnel. On the walls of the bar, it was covered in pictures, like wallpaper, of AF fighters escorting soviet migs out of US airspace over the Bering Straight. The threat in the 80's WAS very real. People just don't understand. Or, they understand, but for political reasons don't want to admit it. Reagans accomplishments in that area were huge for this great country. At no time did the soviets fear a US president like they did Reagan. And we are much better off for it![/QUOTE]
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Great post!


A defining moment regarding the Reagan/Soviet relationship was when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. The Soviets were stunned that an American president would have the spine to do such a thing - politics be damned.

When Reagan walked out of talks with Gorbachev - to the dismay of many in Reagan's own circle, the Soviets were again astounded at how tough this President with the sunny disposition truly was. Reagan countered that Gorbachev would be back - and Reagan was once again proven right. His natural instincts were a far greater asset than all the egghead policy wonks in the beltway could muster.

The fall of the Soviet Union then led to what was known as the "Peace Divident" - the primary tool by which America briefly enjoyed balanced budgets. The Clinton economy was simply an extension of the Reagan economy - particularly when the conservatives took control during the midterm elections.

Ronald Reagan was indeed the greatest of America's post-WWII presidents...

Damn right he was!

And anybody who thinks differently is completely clueless, regardless of political bent.

I'm truly proud to say I served under that great man.

 

[del]

I was stationed in Alaska from 81-83. We went and trained with the AK National guard up in Kotzebue. We bunked down at an air force Early Warning Defense Station. It was a tiny lil' outpost with two huge radar domes, and a couple of small barracks buildings. Underneath one of the building was a one lane bowling alley and small bar for the AF personnel. On the walls of the bar, it was covered in pictures, like wallpaper, of AF fighters escorting soviet migs out of US airspace over the Bering Straight. The threat in the 80's WAS very real. People just don't understand. Or, they understand, but for political reasons don't want to admit it. Reagans accomplishments in that area were huge for this great country. At no time did the soviets fear a US president like they did Reagan. And we are much better off for it![/QUOTE]
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Great post!


A defining moment regarding the Reagan/Soviet relationship was when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. The Soviets were stunned that an American president would have the spine to do such a thing - politics be damned.

When Reagan walked out of talks with Gorbachev - to the dismay of many in Reagan's own circle, the Soviets were again astounded at how tough this President with the sunny disposition truly was. Reagan countered that Gorbachev would be back - and Reagan was once again proven right. His natural instincts were a far greater asset than all the egghead policy wonks in the beltway could muster.

The fall of the Soviet Union then led to what was known as the "Peace Divident" - the primary tool by which America briefly enjoyed balanced budgets. The Clinton economy was simply an extension of the Reagan economy - particularly when the conservatives took control during the midterm elections.

Ronald Reagan was indeed the greatest of America's post-WWII presidents...

Damn right he was!

And anybody who thinks differently is completely clueless, regardless of political bent.

I'm truly proud to say I served under that great man.

thanks for your service, but he couldn't carry ike's jock.

 

[potter 58]

and why would that be Sin, because after way too many years he finally found the balls to fire Rummy and in the last 1- 1 1/2 he fianaly quit listeneing to Dickless Cheney