Reagan beat the USSR so completely their only option was to takeover the Dem Party

[JScott]

What a stretch!!
So now we equate Universal Healthcare not with just socialism but communism. I suppose you consider all Europe, Australia, Canada, Mexico, and most of South America to be communist. All of these countries have universal healthcare. In fact just about every developed nation on the face of the earth has some form of universal healthcare with the exception of the US.
Take a look at:

Universal health care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many of those counties let their lawyers make a living suing their doctors?

Who was the last prominent US figure to abandon US medical treatment in favor of that of some other nation?

Where did Ted Kennedy go for his end of life care?

There are many countries that allow legal action against doctors.

Ted Kennedy went to a place where most of us on this board couldnt go to because it was probably too expensive.

It may not be long before people go else where for medical care if universal health care doesnt work out.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The USSR's idiotic policies destroyed the USSR.

 

[Mr Natural]

Oh yeah?

Well FDR beat the Nazis so completely their only option was to takeover the republican party.

 

[Flopper]

What seems to be forgotten is where this country is going if we don't get healthcare cost under control. People talk a lot about what the cost of this new law will be in ten years. At the rate people are losing healthcare coverage, half the country isn't going to be able to afford healthcare in 10 yrs. I don't like a lot of the healthcare law and I think it will be revised and will look a lot different 10 years from now. But the important thing is it is a start in the right direction.

Healthcare is not a right, however in a nation as prosperous as the US, providing decent healthcare to those who can't afford it, should be a responsibility. If that makes me a socialist, then so be it.

 

[Vanquish]

They also forget that they're already paying for the lazy welfare cheats (their fear, not mine) that they think they're avoiding if they defeat HCR. They already pay via the emergency room...and emergency room costs are 2-4x what preventative health costs would be.

So why not actually PLAN (omg a socialist word) to reduce the costs instead of paying through the nose for them??

 

[momonkey]

Reagan beat the USSR so completely...

Utter nonsense. The Soviet Union had been stressed for years by the aggression of the west. Reagan happened to be in the right place at the right time.

...and, unlike Carter, doing the right things.

 

[HUGGY]

Reagan beat the USSR so completely their only option was to takeover the Dem Party One day I will get around to pissing on Reagans grave. You wanna come watch Frankie...I know you dream of anything dick.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Healthcare is not a right

I'll remember that next time you're injured.


And if it's not a right, why do we have a responsibility?

 

[JScott]

Healthcare is not a right

I'll remember that next time you're injured.


And if it's not a right, why do we have a responsibility?

I dont want to say youre wrong but in essence you are because social security isnt a right either.

I agree something needs to be done but to go on the path of medical assistance being a right isnt the correct avenue.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan beat the USSR so completely their only option was to takeover the Dem Party One day I will get around to pissing on Reagans grave. You wanna come watch Frankie...I know you dream of anything dick.

You're a pimple on the world's ass, Huggy

I'm here 6 months and I can't think of a single memorable, clever or funny thing you ever said.

You're still the shit flinging little zoo house monkey you were when I first got here and you flatter yourself that I'm even remotely interested in your responses or "ideas"

 

[momonkey]

They also forget that they're already paying for the lazy welfare cheats (their fear, not mine) that they think they're avoiding if they defeat HCR. They already pay via the emergency room...and emergency room costs are 2-4x what preventative health costs would be.

So why not actually PLAN (omg a socialist word) to reduce the costs instead of paying through the nose for them??

Look for abuse of the emergency rooms by insured patients who don't want to wait to see their primary care physician under Obamacare as with Romneycare.

" For new patients who do get an appointment with a primary-care doctor, the average waiting time is 44 days, the Medical Society found. As Dr. Sandra Schneider, the vice president of the American College of Emergency Physicians, told the Boston Globe last April, "Just because you have insurance doesn't mean there's a [primary care] physician who can see you."

The difficulties in getting primary care have led to an increasing number of patients who rely on emergency rooms for basic medical services. Emergency room visits jumped 7% between 2005 and 2007. Officials have determined that half of those added ER visits didn't actually require immediate treatment and could have been dealt with at a doctor's office—if patients could have found one.

Grace-Marie Turner: The Failure of RomneyCare - WSJ.com

 

[Flopper]

When I say healthcare is not a right, I mean that it is not a constitutional right.
It is not our responsibility but I said it should be. Some say we can't afford it. I say we can't afford not to provide healthcare. Those without healthcare end up in the ER getting the most expensive and inefficient form of treatment which we end up paying for in the form higher healthcare costs. Healthcare problems that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars could be avoided by routine office visits.

The big advantage to universal healthcare is a healthy more productive country, something that is pretty hard to put dollar value on.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

When I say healthcare is not a right, I mean that it is not a constitutional right.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people
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The Constitution neither grants rights nor enumerates all the rights of men.

 

[Flopper]

Ever heard of the Bill of Rights. They are the first 10 amendments to the constitution. So yes, the constitution does grant rights.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Ever heard of the Bill of Rights. They are the first 10 amendments to the constitution. So yes, the constitution does grant rights.

Civics 101:

Rights are inalienable. The Constitution does not grant rights, but founds a State to protect them.

Do Our Rights Come from the Constitution?

Nowhere in the Constitution will you find a sentence granting any right. They all say that the rights are not to be infringed.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ever heard of the Bill of Rights. They are the first 10 amendments to the constitution. So yes, the constitution does grant rights.

Civics 101:

Rights are inalienable. The Constitution does not grant rights, but founds a State to protect them.

Do Our Rights Come from the Constitution?

Nowhere in the Constitution will you find a sentence granting any right. They all say that the rights are not to be infringed.

That's some really cute semantics.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan beat the USSR so completely their only option was to complete their stated takeover the Dem Party. Think about it.

Reagan sends the USSR to the ash heap of history and their empire collapses by the early 1990's. Their counterstrike was to let go of their European satellites and complete their takeover of their operations in the USA where they already made great strides in the Democrat Party, media and academia and made inroads in the Republican Party and their RINO's.

Clinton becomes the first Dem President since LBJ to try to takeover health care. Coincidence? This is the wet dream of the Statist, to have control over the very life and death of the American people. Clinton lines up all Democrats behind him and allows no deviation from the Party line, this is the exact moment Moderate Dems went extinct.

Al Gore then starts the political war by recanting his concession to Bush. This is unprecedented in US political history. This is the shot heard round the world. Was he was ordered to recant his concession? Who did he speak to between his concession call and his call to recant? Will we ever know who spoke to Gore and got him to recant? This is no small matter. The effect was to challenge the peaceful transition of Presidential Power and since them there has been no reconciliation possible with the Democrats. They want to destroy American as completely as Reagan destroyed their hometeam.

They want to destroy our Founding Principles and our Tree of Liberty by digging it out by the roots and with ObamaCare and now letting Illegals vote themselves the stuff produced by Americans (Comprehensive Immigration Reform) their work will be nearly complete.

If Reagan beat the USSR, how come we're still negotiating with them to get rid of nuclear weapons that could wipe us out in a heartbeat, weapons that they've had since before Reagan became president.

Democrats actually won WWII; you don't see us still negotiating with Germany to reduce the size of the Luftwaffe.

 

[boedicca]

Reagan beat the USSR so completely...

Utter nonsense. The Soviet Union had been stressed for years by the aggression of the west. Reagan happened to be in the right place at the right time.

Oh yeah. Jimmy Carter softened them up for the final blow.

 

[boedicca]

Democrats actually won WWII; you don't see us still negotiating with Germany to reduce the size of the Luftwaffe.

Americans won WWII. Not every soldier who served was a Democrat.

Just sayin'.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Ever heard of the Bill of Rights. They are the first 10 amendments to the constitution. So yes, the constitution does grant rights.

Civics 101:

Rights are inalienable. The Constitution does not grant rights, but founds a State to protect them.

Do Our Rights Come from the Constitution?

Nowhere in the Constitution will you find a sentence granting any right. They all say that the rights are not to be infringed.

That's some really cute semantics.

Inalienable rights versus the only rights beng whatever the State says you have (if any) is semantics?