Raw milk can be dangerous

[rawmilkmike]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or ***** get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

Another bad example. Isn't that self cleaning?

 

[rawmilkmike]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

Correction: the CDC hasn't documented any deaths associated with raw fluid milk consumption.

 

[I.P.Freely]

My two brothers and I caught Undulant fever from raw milk, it nearly killed my younger brother.
Undulant fever definition - Medical Dictionary Definitions of Popular Terms Defined on MedTerms

What makes you think it was caused by raw milk. Was raw milk your only food? Was it you only exposure risk?

@rawmilkmike
I live in the UK. Undulant fever then was classified as a "notifiable disease" which meant department of health specialist descended on us.This was 55yrs ago and we had milk delivered from our local farm only.The Department of Health came to a very factual conclusion that it was the milk that infected us and six other neighbours kids.

Was raw milk your only food? Was it your only exposure risk? 55yrs ago did you really have raw milk delivered from your local farm? What facts could have supported such a conclusion? Even today such accusations are not supported by the facts. Currently all 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are brucellosis Class Free.

My mother was from Eastern Europe, she had trained in France to be a Doctor. The other neighbors kids ate very different food to us.All I remember is the farmer was prosecuted and found guilty.He then had to replace his pasteurization machinery. My mother then bought a house cow for milk.
It is legal in the UK for farmers to sell "raw" milk from their premises.Brucellosis was eradicated in the UK around 1980.

LOL Brucellosis (bangs) has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere.

in cows? you better tell that to the BBC. BBC News - Selfridges raw milk farmer Stephen Hook to carry on selling But Mr Hook insisted: "Our cows are tested every year for TB and we have never had it. Brucellosis was eradicated as a cattle disease in this country in the early 1980s, so it is no longer an issue."

Are there Deer in the UK?

yes, but although the have horns the do not look like cows. There are no wild Deer near us apart from in Chester Zoo.

Well then here is this, Bangs has not ever been 'eradicated' anywhere there are four legged hoofed critters, it has been handled and mostly vaccinated out of cattle. But it has NEVER been eradicated anywhere. You can have bangs free herds in an area for a 'while', but if there is a four legged wild critter of the sheep, goat, bovine, elk, ancestry around it is NOT eradicated. Period.

I think I would prefer to believe Defra Brucellosis Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency
to quote Defra "The last confirmed case of Brucellosis (Brucella arbortus) in the UK occurred in 2004."

Wait... 80's.... 2004.....

Isn't this the same nation that eradicated Mad Cow?

Like five times now in the last fifteen years....

Something makes me think your milk mindedness and your math are both drunker than I am.

Thanks for your honesty. You never argue with a drunk. When you sober up you may remember that Bangs is seldom life threatening and that raw milk is still a super-food. Yes, these guys don't understand the technical definition of 'eradicated' but does that really matter?

I cant remember (mad Cow) the last time I drank milk! I will have a big slice of Brie de Meaux and some home made sour dough toast for brekkie in 30 mins.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Raw Meat can be dangerous. When not handled properly, poultry in particular. Hmmm maybe for the good of the American people we can all be forced to be vegetarians. And I imagine more Americans die a horrible death from Diabetes each year due to too much sugar, than will EVER die from Raw Milk. The real danger is giving away to much of our free will. pretty soon no one will be around who remembers what living life is. Be a little more fatalistic about things, its good for you just like raw milk! were all going to die someday. (WAGTDS) ..... save this one for the acronym thread

America love affair with fast foods is deadly. Consumer Reports Fruits and vegetables are common causes of food-borne illness - The Washington Post

Fast food and fresh fruit have what in common, please remind me?

The next thing you know they're going to want to irradiate our salads.

Most food is safe if it is prepared properly by a person with clean hands preferably.

Yes, but food isn't the only thing they touch. And destroying the food is not really an option.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or ***** get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

Another bad example. Isn't that self cleaning?

Not for the verbal variety of diarrhea.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Why do

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or ***** get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

Another bad example. Isn't that self cleaning?

Not for the verbal variety of diarrhea.

Why, does yours talk? But seriously:

“From 1906 until 1918, Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson (1879 - 1962) spent 11 years as an Eskimo among Eskimos. He was adopted into an Eskimo family, lived in tent, and ate fish and seal meat, often raw or fermented. He concluded that he had never been in better health in his life. He also writes about the excellent health, including dental health, and the absence of headaches experienced on exclusive animal-foods diet.”

Vilhjalmur Stefansson Adventures in Diet - presented by Dr. Bass

 

[I.P.Freely]

Why do

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or ***** get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

Another bad example. Isn't that self cleaning?

Not for the verbal variety of diarrhea.

Why, does yours talk? But seriously:

“From 1906 until 1918, Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson (1879 - 1962) spent 11 years as an Eskimo among Eskimos. He was adopted into an Eskimo family, lived in tent, and ate fish and seal meat, often raw or fermented. He concluded that he had never been in better health in his life. He also writes about the excellent health, including dental health, and the absence of headaches experienced on exclusive animal-foods diet.”

Vilhjalmur Stefansson Adventures in Diet - presented by Dr. Bass

I hope he was under 5ft 6" tall as "Eskimo women" wash the hair in their own urine and love to waltz

 

[rawmilkmike]

raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.

That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.

"While many raw milk advocates say it has inherent nutritional advantages and even helps cure or ease the symptoms of ailments such as asthma and various allergies, most food-safety experts discount those claims as anecdotal, saying they’re not based on science. They also warn of the serious risks to human health associated with drinking milk that hasn’t been pasteurized."

A Mom and a Dairyman Plead Don t Feed Children Raw Milk Food Safety News

Oh..and incidentally...

"Campylobacter is common in the developing world, and travelers to foreign countries are at risk for becoming infected with Campylobacter. Approximately one-fifth (19%) of Campylobacter cases identified in FoodNet are associated with international travel."

CDC - Campylobacter General Information - NCZVED
Don't buy raw milk from people who hire undocumenteds. It's just another illness like tb that you are more likely to catch if you do.

koshergrl says: “raw milk kills infants. undeniable fact.”


rawmilkmike says: “That's a new one. Where's your proof? The CDC doesn't have any documented deaths from raw milk.”


koshergrl is speechless.

From 1998 through 2011, 148 outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2,384 illnesses, 284 hospitalizations, and 2 deaths.

CDC - Raw Milk Questions and Answers - Food Safety

The impact of pasteurized milk on public health was nothing short of astounding. In 1885 the infant mortality rate in New York City was 273 per 1,000 live births -more than 27%. By 1915 the infant mortality rate was 94 per 1,000, a drop of two-thirds.

The Fight for Safe Milk Pasteurization - Neatorama

It says “raw milk or raw milk products” The two deaths were associated with cheese not milk.

Infant mortality was normally high among immigrants. Have you read some of the concoctions fed to infants back then? There is no evidence that it was ever caused by raw milk. Lack of raw milk maybe.

so just what in the hell changed, other than pasteurization, that caused the dramatic decrease in infant mortality? nothing. nothing that can account for that change except kids stopped getting raw milk.

you want to be an idiot and drink raw milk, go ahead.

just stop lying to people and saying it's safe. it's not. it's dangerous. it can kill. pretending otherwise is ignorant and flies in the face of science.

What science? Between the CDC, FDA, AMA, and yourself if you had any proof you would have produced it by now. There are millions of Americans that KNOW the truth.

there are millions of americans that know the truth.
you just aren't one of them.

those of us with brains in our heads only drink safe milk.

the science is settled. raw milk carries diseases. pasteurizing the milk kills the bacteria, making the milk safer.

that's the science. do you have any science to dispute that very basic fact?

Nope, raw milk carries stuff that kills weak bodies.

So does Meat, so does everything we eat unless it is put through all types of different treatments, that is why we invented things like skimming, boiling, curing, smoking, all sorts of ways to preserve.

But here is the simple fact...

We with our cleanliness have created a society that can't eat a hunk of venison if it is starving with out getting sick... That will work well for you all in future.

Nope, raw milk could theoretically carry bacteria that is sometimes found in diarrhea. There is no proof that that bacteria is the cause let alone where it may have come from if in fact it wasn't already in the body before the illness. Raw milk is the least friendly to unwanted bacteria and the least likely to be contaminated by it.

Oh good grief, stop shooting yourself in the foot.

I spent more time pulling the tits of jerseys in my youth then you have seen cows.

Here is how bacteria and milk work.

When milk is in the bag it is pure and it is also sterile. ZERO bacteria count.

However when it hits the can, the bacteria from the environment around it can invade and contaminate it.

Milk with less than a 3% bacterial count is sold as a premium to whomever you are selling too. It is also sold by butterfat content and pound.

At 5% it becomes marginal and you will get crap for a pay check. At 5.5% you cannot sell it.

Now if you have an infected cow, then you are an idiot if you put that in the jug.... Unless you are milking 1000 head and know it will be diluted.

Many dairy farmers now take that chance.

Milk that is less than 3% bac and 12% butterfat is golden and worth a helleva lot right now...

It is used to mix with the shit most dairy's produce to make it drinkable after it is boiled down to white water so it does not kill the weak and the meek.

None of you know a damn thing about modern milk and that plastic jug it comes from.

That's all well and good but it doesn't explain how raw milk would make a person sick. Why is this such an emotional subject?

I couldn't find an example of bacteria count given as a percentage. Is it 3% or is it 30,000/mL? And you have left out the beneficial bacteria that populate the teat ducts.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Why do

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or ***** get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

Another bad example. Isn't that self cleaning?

Not for the verbal variety of diarrhea.

Why, does yours talk? But seriously:

“From 1906 until 1918, Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson (1879 - 1962) spent 11 years as an Eskimo among Eskimos. He was adopted into an Eskimo family, lived in tent, and ate fish and seal meat, often raw or fermented. He concluded that he had never been in better health in his life. He also writes about the excellent health, including dental health, and the absence of headaches experienced on exclusive animal-foods diet.”

Vilhjalmur Stefansson Adventures in Diet - presented by Dr. Bass

I hope he was under 5ft 6" tall as "Eskimo women" wash the hair in their own urine and love to waltz

And your point is?

 

[I.P.Freely]

Why do

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or ***** get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

Another bad example. Isn't that self cleaning?

Not for the verbal variety of diarrhea.

Why, does yours talk? But seriously:

“From 1906 until 1918, Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson (1879 - 1962) spent 11 years as an Eskimo among Eskimos. He was adopted into an Eskimo family, lived in tent, and ate fish and seal meat, often raw or fermented. He concluded that he had never been in better health in his life. He also writes about the excellent health, including dental health, and the absence of headaches experienced on exclusive animal-foods diet.”

Vilhjalmur Stefansson Adventures in Diet - presented by Dr. Bass

I hope he was under 5ft 6" tall as "Eskimo women" wash the hair in their own urine and love to waltz

And your point is?

Maybe it is responsible for the Inuits dying historically 10 years younger than Canadians and suffering 10% more cancers.
The Monks of Athos are said to be one of the healthiest groups in the World, researchers claim it is their diet.The head monk claims it is because the have no contact with women or bank managers.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Why do

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

Sure they were, but it was not the milks fault, it was the way it was taken care of and environment it was in when it was handled.

Possibly it was a certain cow, if that milk was predominantly from a cold cow, well then it makes perfect sense. Look man, I believe in drinking whole, raw milk, I drink it every day. But don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.

The question is, do you have the 'stomach' to deal with bad food, and most today do not.

I grew up believing the same thing and in many ways I still do but in researching raw foods I have learned to question what I now call propaganda. Yes, there is such a thing as bacteria and you don't want to inject them directly into your bloodstream but we are talking about food.

I really want to trust you but you say “Sure they were, don't play that it is always golden crap, you can feed someone bad milk, just like you can bad meat or anything else.” then you say “Possibly it was a certain cow”. That makes me so mad. Are you sure or just speculating? The state will have you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.

I don't like curds and whey. That doesn't mean they're unhealthy for me. The same goes for raw meat and fish. Most Americans won't eat them raw let alone when they're stinking to high haven. That doesn't make them unhealthy for them. Haven't you heard the story about the arctic explorer and the Eskimos?

No, I am saying you have no clue what you are talking about.

It could have been the milk or it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof in the posted links, however, if the milk caused it, it was not the fault of the milk, it was the fault of those that handled it. Their process, or their environment that they controlled.

Look man I have pictures of me as a kid drinking milk being squirted at me from a mast cow... it will not hurt you when it is sterile.

What happens after the cow is not the milks fault.

My only point is that when ever milk is blamed for an illness "it could have been something entirely different. There is no actual proof" so how do we know if it is even possible for raw milk to cause illness?

Oh for gawds sake. If you let anything... milk, meat, veggies, or ***** get contaminated, it will cause you illness.

Another bad example. Isn't that self cleaning?

Not for the verbal variety of diarrhea.

Why, does yours talk? But seriously:

“From 1906 until 1918, Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson (1879 - 1962) spent 11 years as an Eskimo among Eskimos. He was adopted into an Eskimo family, lived in tent, and ate fish and seal meat, often raw or fermented. He concluded that he had never been in better health in his life. He also writes about the excellent health, including dental health, and the absence of headaches experienced on exclusive animal-foods diet.”

Vilhjalmur Stefansson Adventures in Diet - presented by Dr. Bass

I hope he was under 5ft 6" tall as "Eskimo women" wash the hair in their own urine and love to waltz

And your point is?

Maybe it is responsible for the Inuits dying historically 10 years younger than Canadians and suffering 10% more cancers.
The Monks of Athos are said to be one of the healthiest groups in the World, researchers claim it is their diet.The head monk claims it is because the have no contact with women or bank managers.

"When word reached American and European physicians that the Inuit did not develop cancer, a number of them decided to mount an active search for it. This search began in the 1850s and tapered off in the 1920s, as traditionally-living Inuit became difficult to find."

"One of these physicians was captain George B. Leavitt. He actively searched for cancer among the traditionally-living Inuit from 1885 to 1907. Along with his staff, he claims to have performed tens of thousands of examinations. He did not find a single case of cancer. At the same time, he was regularly diagnosing cancers among the crews of whaling ships and other Westernized populations."
Whole Health Source Cancer Among the Inuit

 

[gallantwarrior]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

There's big difference in small diary farms of yesterday with local distribution. Today, diary farms are huge, some with as many 30,000 cows with little attention paid to their health compared to the small farms of yesterday. The milk on the table today may have traveled hundreds of miles before if finally reaches the dinner table weeks after it comes from the cow. Only on a fool would suggest we not pasteurized milk today.

I would never advocate buying raw milk from big-agri concerns like the ones you describe. The way they treat their animals and the product is atrocious. That's one of the reasons pasteurization became a requirement. But buying raw milk from a small holder, especially knowing that the family that cares for the animals and handles the milk consumes it raw, too...that's an entirely different matter. I prefer buying as much of my food fresh and raw from farmers who grow it, and feed it to their own families.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

As soon as someone admits to consuming raw milk, the investigation is done. I wonder whether any of those who became ill had consumed eggs, chicken, ground turkey...you know, culprits far more often responsible for campylobacter infections.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

There's big difference in small diary farms of yesterday with local distribution. Today, diary farms are huge, some with as many 30,000 cows with little attention paid to their health compared to the small farms of yesterday. The milk on the table today may have traveled hundreds of miles before if finally reaches the dinner table weeks after it comes from the cow. Only on a fool would suggest we not pasteurized milk today.

I would never advocate buying raw milk from big-agri concerns like the ones you describe. The way they treat their animals and the product is atrocious. That's one of the reasons pasteurization became a requirement. But buying raw milk from a small holder, especially knowing that the family that cares for the animals and handles the milk consumes it raw, too...that's an entirely different matter. I prefer buying as much of my food fresh and raw from farmers who grow it, and feed it to their own families.

That is all true except that pasteurization was designed to inactivate the enzymes that oxidize milk fat after homogenization without significantly changing the flavor of the milk. It is not designed to kill so call pathogens and it can not make poor quality Holstein milk into organic Jersey milk. There is no evidence that "big-agri" raw milk is any more likely to be associated with food-borne illness. Many "big-agri" farmers drink their own milk raw.

 

[Darlene]

Don't drink raw milk from a dairy that hires illegals.

My mom taught me that.

PS..we never got sick from raw milk.

Has anyone?

Gotten sick from raw milk?

Have you read the OP?

The OP states doesn't necessarily say raw milk makes people sick. It says that the bacteria from dirt and feces on the cow's udders made people sick. Do research instead of believing everything the FDA says.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Here's a little something to think about for those who keep telling us the government should stay out of our business and allow free sale of raw milk.

45 in Utah have campylobacteriosis from raw milk - CNN.com

Awe.. that is too bad. Stay the hell out of what I eat, drink and feed my kids. Grew up on a small dairy farm, none of us died.

I eat raw pork liver as well.

Stupid idiots did not know how to take care of their milk.

That may or may not be true but there is no reason to stipulate to the propaganda. There is no reason to believe that any of these people were sickened by their milk.

As soon as someone admits to consuming raw milk, the investigation is done. I wonder whether any of those who became ill had consumed eggs, chicken, ground turkey...you know, culprits far more often responsible for campylobacter infections.

“Campylobacter species are widely distributed in most warm-blooded animals. It is among the most common bacterial infections of humans. Campylobacter can be found in contaminated food or water. Direct contact with infected animals, including pets, is also a well-documented means of disease-transmission. Other common routes of transmission for the bacteria are fecal-oral, person-to-person, and sexual contact. Prevalence of infection in otherwise healthy people is quite low.”

 

[rawmilkmike]

Don't drink raw milk from a dairy that hires illegals.

My mom taught me that.

PS..we never got sick from raw milk.

Has anyone?

Gotten sick from raw milk?

Have you read the OP?

The OP states doesn't necessarily say raw milk makes people sick. It says that the bacteria from dirt and feces on the cow's udders made people sick. Do research instead of believing everything the FDA says.

And that is obviously just speculation.

 

[Darlene]

Don't drink raw milk from a dairy that hires illegals.

My mom taught me that.

PS..we never got sick from raw milk.

Has anyone?

Gotten sick from raw milk?

Have you read the OP?

The OP states doesn't necessarily say raw milk makes people sick. It says that the bacteria from dirt and feces on the cow's udders made people sick. Do research instead of believing everything the FDA says.

And that is obviously just speculation.

I was figuring you were pro-raw milk by your name.
If it's just speculation about the cleanliness affecting the quality of milk (it's far more than speculation, hun), then the same thing can be said about raw milk causing sicknesses.
I think people forget that pasteurized milk also causes sicknesses.

 

[ChrisL]

They should put a label on it letting people know of the risks, and let people decide if they want to risk getting sick or not. I don't see how the government can FORCE you to eat safely. People should be able to consume what they want. As far as the sellers of this milk, they should have to pass basic cleanliness regulations (you know, like rats, bugs, etc.) but still be allowed to sell their product, IMO.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Don't drink raw milk from a dairy that hires illegals.

My mom taught me that.

PS..we never got sick from raw milk.

Has anyone?

Gotten sick from raw milk?

Have you read the OP?

The OP states doesn't necessarily say raw milk makes people sick. It says that the bacteria from dirt and feces on the cow's udders made people sick. Do research instead of believing everything the FDA says.

And that is obviously just speculation.

I was figuring you were pro-raw milk by your name.
If it's just speculation about the cleanliness affecting the quality of milk (it's far more than speculation, hun), then the same thing can be said about raw milk causing sicknesses.
I think people forget that pasteurized milk also causes sicknesses.

I will admit I prefer not to drink sour milk. So careful handling is important to me. It just isn't the most important quality to me. The state is more concerned with the construction of the milk house than they are with the milk. For instance, I pay extra for Jersey when I can get it.

The state said that it may have been a dirty utter that caused the positive test. That is speculation. And the same thing can be said about raw milk causing sicknesses. Raw milk is blamed simply because it's raw milk. The accusation is completely arbitrary.