Rate of change in the Ordovician extinction

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Sounds serious!
How are you going to get China to stop releasing CO2?

By installing a massive amount of global cooling solar farms?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

By installing a massive amount of global cooling solar farms?

You're sounding like a leftist again.

I know it's about economics, but this book could help you here as well.

 

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You're sounding like a leftist again.

That’s funny because I think widespread use of solar power is a horrible idea.

 

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I know it's about economics, but this book could help you here as well.

I aced my engineering economics class in college. You?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That’s funny because I think widespread use of solar power is a horrible idea.

It may be the worst idea ever.
But not because moving energy from A>B causes the planet to cool.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I aced my engineering economics class in college. You?

It's always sad when you get older and forget all the science and math you once knew.

 

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It may be the worst idea ever.
But not because moving energy from A>B causes the planet to cool.

Blocking sunlight which would have heated the surface of the plant is a bad idea in the middle of an ice age regardless of the method used.

 

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It's always sad when you get older and forget all the science and math you once knew.

I’m sure you do see it that way.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Blocking sunlight which would have heated the surface of the plant is a bad idea in the middle of an ice age regardless of the method used.

If you said "reflecting" instead of "blocking", you might have a point.

Since the panels reflect much less energy back to space, your claim is backwards.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I’m sure you do see it that way.

Tell me again how the energy moved from the solar panel to the
household appliances somehow warms the planet less.

Use some of your engineering economics, if you think that will help.

 

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If you said "reflecting" instead of "blocking", you might have a point.

Since the panels reflect much less energy back to space, your claim is backwards.

Anything which prevents visible light from striking the surface of the planet is blocking that light from producing heat at the surface. And satellite measurements show a localized cooling effect.

 

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Tell me again how the energy moved from the solar panel to the
household appliances somehow warms the planet less.

Use some of your engineering economics, if you think that will help.

Tell me how replacing fossil fuels with solar doesn’t reduce waste heat.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Anything which prevents visible light from striking the surface of the planet is blocking that light from producing heat at the surface. And satellite measurements show a localized cooling effect.

Why does the photon striking the surface warm the planet more than the electricity
generated from the photon striking the panel?

Isn't the energy conserved?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me how replacing fossil fuels with solar doesn’t reduce waste heat.

If you're changing your original claim, state it plainly.

 

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Why does the photon striking the surface warm the planet more than the electricity
generated from the photon striking the panel?

Isn't the energy conserved?

Satellites measured a cooling effect at solar farms and solar reduces waste heat.

 

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If you're changing your original claim, state it plainly.

Satellites measured a localized cooling effect above solar farms and solar reduces waste heat. So the widespread use of solar can lead to a net cooling of the planet. That is my claim.

 

[Old Rocks]

Sounds serious!
How are you going to get China to stop releasing CO2?

Well now, China is putting in more renewables than the rest of the world put together. At present they are #1 in GHG emissions, we are #2, and India is #3. However, if China keeps up the present rate of renewable implementation, we may soon be #1 again. Certainly implementing the startup of very inefficient and horribly polluting coal fired plants can only damage our nation, and will contribute to making us the #1 polluting nation.

 

[Old Rocks]

Satellites measured a localized cooling effect above solar farms and solar reduces waste heat. So the widespread use of solar can lead to a net cooling of the planet. That is my claim.

10,000 square miles of solar at present efficiencies would power our nation. Even if it did lead to localized cooling, that is far less than the effect of the 750,000 square miles of Arctic sea ice we have lost since 1980.

 

[Sunsettommy]

10,000 square miles of solar at present efficiencies would power our nation. Even if it did lead to localized cooling, that is far less than the effect of the 750,000 square miles of Arctic sea ice we have lost since 1980.

There were many summers of little to ZERO arctic summer ice, the world is still here and so are the Polar Bears while CO2 was around the 260-280 ppm level for thousands of years.

LINK to a nice list of published papers supporting it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Satellites measured a cooling effect at solar farms and solar reduces waste heat.

I measured a cooling effect in my freezer.

Did the solar panels destroy energy, like my freezer did?

Have you discovered a new physics no one has ever seen before?

Could be.

Reminds me of the brilliant USMB physicist who discovered the fact that photons could see into the future
and across the universe, to decide whether they would travel in a certain direction or not, so that they would
never strike matter that was hotter than the matter that had emitted them.

Like many unsung geniuses, he collapsed into insanity and disappeared.

I pray you don't suffer the same fate.