Rape, incest and pregnancy

[Zona]

Why should I have a problem with a politician saying that? Did you see me complaining about Keith Ellison getting elected? He certainly believes God has a plan, as Islam is about nothing more than surrendering your life to that plan. My question is, why do you have a problem with it?

I have no problem with anyone, including politicians, having a religious viewpoint until, and unless, they start trying to infringe on my right to have a religious viewpoint that is different than theirs.

So I repeat, has she said, or indicated, that she will attempt to regulate and impose her personal religious views upon you, or anyone else? You seem to be the one who wants to impose your views on other people here, at least those who are running for office.

If you don't like her views, do not vote for her. If you do not live in Nevada than her views are of no consequence to you. I can point to dozens of Roman Catholic politicians who have exactly the same views she does, and will not hesitate to say so, who still vote a pro abortion stance. I don't know why you have some type of problem with her and not those people.

Then what was the whole Rev Wright thing about? Or worse, Ayers?

You cannot point to any posts I made about them. I will say that anyone who sits in a church for 20 years, calls the pastor his spiritual father, and then claims he never heard him say anything racist, is an outright liar. That makes my problem with Obama, not Wright.

As far as Ayers goes, it is pretty obvious to anyone who is honest that Obama lied about that too. I guess I just have a problem with anyone lying to me, including politicians that I expect to lie.

I guess I can point to this post...It proves you are saying something about them..

"So I repeat, has she said, or indicated, that she will attempt to regulate and impose her personal religious views upon you, or anyone else?"....You said this about Angle, but not about Obama...this is all in one post now, so we cant be confused here. Angle has her rules she can live by according to you but Obama doesn't.

 

[Shadow]

And how many children would each adult in this country have to adopt to cover that many? Oh that's right they don't actually want to adopt them they just want them born.

No, what they really want is for women to actually be more responsible for their decisions regarding birth control.

YOu do know this thread is about a child being raped by her father right? Is she supposed to konw something about birth control?

May have started that way...but you folks keep jumping around off point and opened the door to other comments. So suck it up.

 

[The Rabbi]

What happens to the infant Rabbi? What happens to the infant born to a child who was raped by her father? You guys always scream about how important life is, but never talk about the child after it is born. You do realize there is a great chance there will be something seriously wrong with the infant and we all know the mother is just gone for the rest of her life. But so what, abortion is wrong even in the case of incest and rape, righty?

Seriously, how cold are you? What about that little girl who is reminded over and over of that rape? how cold are you?

I have never, ever heard of an elected official saying if a person is raped by her father, she should be forced to have that child. That is just astonishing to me. She has access to changing laws? Oh dear god.

You're the one advocating killing someone who never did anything to deserve it. How cold is that, denying the beautiful gift of life to someone just for convenience? You are a heartless bastard as well as a brainless one.
There is no evidence the infant is defective in any way. You made that one up.
There is a severe shortage of adoptable children in this country. Just ask anyone who wants to adopt. That child will have no problem finding a decent loving home. Of course if you have your way he/she will end up in the trash bin.

You know, Rabbi, the world is a cold cruel place. Im sure I dont have to tell you that. People die. Arab babies die in Afghanistan everyday. You know that but I dont see you telling anyone we need to stop the war....wait...you do now since its Obamas war.

If a child is raped by a family member and becomes pregnant, that fetus should be aborted. The main reason is is that that unborn fetus, though you would disagree with me, is nothing but a speck of flesh inside a pubescent body. Not only is this child mentally scarred but her family will be as well.

Im not willing to disallow this child an abortion just because you think they shouldnt.

Afghanistan is not an Arab country. Anyone with that little grasp on reality probably doesn't deserve an answer.
But it is not a fetus, it is a child. Would you add outrage on outrage by killing the unborn child in a futile attempt to stamp out what was done? What right do you, or anyone else, have to deny life to that child, which did nothing wrong? If government will protect the unprotected then this is certainly the case to make it.

 

[The Rabbi]

And how many children would each adult in this country have to adopt to cover that many? Oh that's right they don't actually want to adopt them they just want them born.

No, what they really want is for women to actually be more responsible for their decisions regarding birth control.

YOu do know this thread is about a child being raped by her father right? Is she supposed to konw something about birth control?

Why do you drag Ted Kennedy into this discussion? Is he some kind of hero to you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Then what was the whole Rev Wright thing about? Or worse, Ayers?

You cannot point to any posts I made about them. I will say that anyone who sits in a church for 20 years, calls the pastor his spiritual father, and then claims he never heard him say anything racist, is an outright liar. That makes my problem with Obama, not Wright.

As far as Ayers goes, it is pretty obvious to anyone who is honest that Obama lied about that too. I guess I just have a problem with anyone lying to me, including politicians that I expect to lie.

I guess I can point to this post...It proves you are saying something about them..

"So I repeat, has she said, or indicated, that she will attempt to regulate and impose her personal religious views upon you, or anyone else?"....You said this about Angle, but not about Obama...this is all in one post now, so we cant be confused here. Angle has her rules she can live by according to you but Obama doesn't.

I do not have a problem with Obama's religious views, whatever they are. I have a problem with him lying, and other people defending that lie. Are you going to jump on that bandwagon and claim he sat through all those sermons, even the ones he quoted in his book?

If not, are you going to try to jump on the bandwagon that he and Ayers are not anything more than casual acquaintances who happened to get involved in a sweetheart real estate deal that gave Obama a piece of property for a fraction of its value?

It could happen to anyone after all, why would anyone have a problem with it? Only idiots would think anything is going on here that could possibly be the least bit underhanded or shady.

 

[JScott]

You're the one advocating killing someone who never did anything to deserve it. How cold is that, denying the beautiful gift of life to someone just for convenience? You are a heartless bastard as well as a brainless one.
There is no evidence the infant is defective in any way. You made that one up.
There is a severe shortage of adoptable children in this country. Just ask anyone who wants to adopt. That child will have no problem finding a decent loving home. Of course if you have your way he/she will end up in the trash bin.

You know, Rabbi, the world is a cold cruel place. Im sure I dont have to tell you that. People die. Arab babies die in Afghanistan everyday. You know that but I dont see you telling anyone we need to stop the war....wait...you do now since its Obamas war.

If a child is raped by a family member and becomes pregnant, that fetus should be aborted. The main reason is is that that unborn fetus, though you would disagree with me, is nothing but a speck of flesh inside a pubescent body. Not only is this child mentally scarred but her family will be as well.

Im not willing to disallow this child an abortion just because you think they shouldnt.

Afghanistan is not an Arab country. Anyone with that little grasp on reality probably doesn't deserve an answer.
But it is not a fetus, it is a child. Would you add outrage on outrage by killing the unborn child in a futile attempt to stamp out what was done? What right do you, or anyone else, have to deny life to that child, which did nothing wrong? If government will protect the unprotected then this is certainly the case to make it.

Im sorry I guess I should have said Muslim. My bad.

Heres reality for you.

No, its not a child, its a fetus. Thats its scientific name. Fet-us. Its not a fully developed child at this stage. Oh you can go on about what you think it is but youd be wrong. Its none of your business what rape victims or molestation victims do with an unwanted pregnancy.

Keep your nose out of it.

 

[Father Time]

I am for the right to bear arms, but accept reasonable restrictions, why is it you guys fight tooth an nail against any attempt to impose reasonable restrictions on Abortion.

Short answer: Because we disagree on what constitutes a reasonable restriction.

 

[Political Junky]

I am for the right to bear arms, but accept reasonable restrictions, why is it you guys fight tooth an nail against any attempt to impose reasonable restrictions on Abortion.

Short answer: Because we disagree on what constitutes a reasonable restriction.

It's what the GOP has survived on, Guns, Gays, and Abortion.

 

[VaYank5150]

how many threads do we need on this?

As many as it takes until one of you cons answers the question as to why an unborn fetus is more important than the woman who is carrying it.

 

[Zona]

You cannot point to any posts I made about them. I will say that anyone who sits in a church for 20 years, calls the pastor his spiritual father, and then claims he never heard him say anything racist, is an outright liar. That makes my problem with Obama, not Wright.

As far as Ayers goes, it is pretty obvious to anyone who is honest that Obama lied about that too. I guess I just have a problem with anyone lying to me, including politicians that I expect to lie.

I guess I can point to this post...It proves you are saying something about them..

"So I repeat, has she said, or indicated, that she will attempt to regulate and impose her personal religious views upon you, or anyone else?"....You said this about Angle, but not about Obama...this is all in one post now, so we cant be confused here. Angle has her rules she can live by according to you but Obama doesn't.

I do not have a problem with Obama's religious views, whatever they are. I have a problem with him lying, and other people defending that lie. Are you going to jump on that bandwagon and claim he sat through all those sermons, even the ones he quoted in his book?

If not, are you going to try to jump on the bandwagon that he and Ayers are not anything more than casual acquaintances who happened to get involved in a sweetheart real estate deal that gave Obama a piece of property for a fraction of its value?

It could happen to anyone after all, why would anyone have a problem with it? Only idiots would think anything is going on here that could possibly be the least bit underhanded or shady.

So Angle can personally feel anyway she wants and not push her adjenda's on her people, but Obama, whatever he feels, he will push on this country. Gotcha

Partisan much?

 

[Zona]

how many threads do we need on this?

As many as it takes until one of you cons answers the question as to why an unborn fetus is more important than the woman who is carrying it.

Rabbi said even if a woman is raped by her father, she should have the child. I have not been through everything in here yet, but I cant find him saying if a child who was raped by her father and is told she has to have the child (by people like him), and her life in jeopardy...does he still feel she has to have the child.

Rabbi, come on ol buddy, face this one. If the child is told she will die if she has the infant (and that could easily happen considering how young the child is in this case)....does she still have to have the infant in your little world?

 

[The Rabbi]

how many threads do we need on this?

As many as it takes until one of you cons answers the question as to why an unborn fetus is more important than the woman who is carrying it.

Rabbi said even if a woman is raped by her father, she should have the child. I have not been through everything in here yet, but I cant find him saying if a child who was raped by her father and is told she has to have the child (by people like him), and her life in jeopardy...does he still feel she has to have the child.

Rabbi, come on ol buddy, face this one. If the child is told she will die if she has the infant (and that could easily happen considering how young the child is in this case)....does she still have to have the infant in your little world?

That isn't the case. It is a strawman made up by you.
But hey, lets not stop at killing the baby. Let's kill the girl too. This way the family wont have to endure the pain of the incident anymore.
Once you justify killing, there is no stopping.

 

[VaYank5150]

As many as it takes until one of you cons answers the question as to why an unborn fetus is more important than the woman who is carrying it.

Rabbi said even if a woman is raped by her father, she should have the child. I have not been through everything in here yet, but I cant find him saying if a child who was raped by her father and is told she has to have the child (by people like him), and her life in jeopardy...does he still feel she has to have the child.

Rabbi, come on ol buddy, face this one. If the child is told she will die if she has the infant (and that could easily happen considering how young the child is in this case)....does she still have to have the infant in your little world?

That isn't the case. It is a strawman made up by you.
But hey, lets not stop at killing the baby. Let's kill the girl too. This way the family wont have to endure the pain of the incident anymore.
Once you justify killing, there is no stopping.

Talk about a strawman....

 

[The Rabbi]

Rabbi said even if a woman is raped by her father, she should have the child. I have not been through everything in here yet, but I cant find him saying if a child who was raped by her father and is told she has to have the child (by people like him), and her life in jeopardy...does he still feel she has to have the child.

Rabbi, come on ol buddy, face this one. If the child is told she will die if she has the infant (and that could easily happen considering how young the child is in this case)....does she still have to have the infant in your little world?

That isn't the case. It is a strawman made up by you.
But hey, lets not stop at killing the baby. Let's kill the girl too. This way the family wont have to endure the pain of the incident anymore.
Once you justify killing, there is no stopping.

Talk about a strawman....

No, no. We were talking about a StrawMAN, not a strawhead. So no need for you to get involved here.

 

[G.T.]

Forcing a woman to carry a child conceived through Rape is Barbaric.

 

[HUGGY]

Can you people argue about any weirder shit? Let's hope the lttle girl dies in childbirth along with the baby so the authorities can present her frozen corpse in the courtroom as evidense when they prosecute her father. Then Rabbi can have his cake and eat it too. All the world can stare and blame and throw up.

 

[The Rabbi]

Forcing a woman to carry a child conceived through Rape is Barbaric.

What would you call killing children in the womb? Sharon Tate ring any bells?

 

[G.T.]

Forcing a woman to carry a child conceived through Rape is Barbaric.

What would you call killing children in the womb? Sharon Tate ring any bells?

I would call it a casualty of War. Collateral Damage, brought on by a Rapist.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Forcing a woman to carry a child conceived through Rape is Barbaric.

What would you call killing children in the womb? Sharon Tate ring any bells?

I would call it a casualty of War. Collateral Damage, brought on by a Rapist.

Wow. Hats off to your parents for such a wonderful job at child rearing. Too bad they didn't take the avenue you seem to be so fond of.

 

[G.T.]

What would you call killing children in the womb? Sharon Tate ring any bells?

I would call it a casualty of War. Collateral Damage, brought on by a Rapist.

Wow. Hats off to your parents for such a wonderful job at child rearing.

Sorry, I can't really imagine how you'd stomach forcing a Raped woman or girl to bring a baby to term caused by said Rape. I really can't.