Rand Paul says vaccines can lead to "mental disorders."

[g5000]

These guys are fighting for the anti-vaccination primary voters on the GOP right? Already?

lol

They are fucking terrified of the RWnut wing of the GOP.

This is the crux right here.

You are exactly right. Rand Paul's and Chris Christie's statements about vaccinations are bellweathers of the continuing hostage mentality of Republican candidates.

These are not leaders. These are terrified, finger-in-the-wind, demagogic hacks.

 

[bendog]

The Randians are spinning like Slick on the definitions of sex and is. LOL

 

[defcon4]

New Medical Journal Review: Vaccine Injury is a Documented Cause of Autism
"Helen Ratajczak, the author, is a mainstream researcher, though there is no official affiliation listed on this review. She has authored or co-authored 41 papers listed on PubMed. In previous papers she co-authored, she was listed as an employee of Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Inc. She also coauthored an FDA paper in 2006, and that same year was elected President of the Northeast Chapter of the Society of Toxicology. She is a serious and respected scientist.

In this review, Dr. Ratajczak discusses the presence of human fetal DNA in MMRII and Varivax vaccines. Here are some excerpts from theImmunotoxicology autism review:

The MMR II vaccine is contaminated with human DNA from the cell line. This human DNA could be the cause of the spikes in incidence. An additional increased spike in incidence of autism occurred in 1995…"

 

[bendog]

These guys are fighting for the anti-vaccination primary voters on the GOP right? Already?

lol

They are fucking terrified of the RWnut wing of the GOP.

This is the crux right here.

You are exactly right. Rand Paul's and Chris Christie's statements about vaccinations are bellweathers of the hostage mentality of Republican candidates.

These are not leaders. These are terrified, finger-in-the-wind, demagogic hacks.

I agree sort of. But I think Chris Toastee was merely pandering while trying to simultaneously pander to those who know vaccination is a good idea. LOL Randian Paul probably does give credence to the non-science of believing vaccination causes autism. And, actually that view is more prevalent among economically advantaged elitists and libertarian types.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It's threads like this that show how Intolerant libs are and just screams.....SNOB

it's like: how dare YOU think differently than they do...

of all things to pick on to call people stupid and ignorant, that is just none of their business for one and two they SUPPORT abortions on demand

so sit down with your Faux outrages

"intolerant"
"none of their business"

Tell it to the people who got measles at Disney World.

"SUPPORT abortions on demand"

Comparing abortion to vaccinating is beyond mere stupid but unless you're pregnant or paying for them, it is none of your business.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Science is the counter to the FuckWits, who have no real numbers on their side.

 

[defcon4]

The only counter argument is "Those guys are f*ckwits"?

Well, the pro-vaccination guys are "f*ckwits".

Conversation over.

Let them idiots drool over who can post more stupid nonsense. No evidence on black and white can make them see what a fucking imbeciles they are still pursuing the moronic psychobabble.
I am with you…

 

[g5000]

New Medical Journal Review: Vaccine Injury is a Documented Cause of Autism
"Helen Ratajczak, the author, is a mainstream researcher, though there is no official affiliation listed on this review. She has authored or co-authored 41 papers listed on PubMed. In previous papers she co-authored, she was listed as an employee of Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Inc. She also coauthored an FDA paper in 2006, and that same year was elected President of the Northeast Chapter of the Society of Toxicology. She is a serious and respected scientist.

In this review, Dr. Ratajczak discusses the presence of human fetal DNA in MMRII and Varivax vaccines. Here are some excerpts from theImmunotoxicology autism review:

The MMR II vaccine is contaminated with human DNA from the cell line. This human DNA could be the cause of the spikes in incidence. An additional increased spike in incidence of autism occurred in 1995…"

A quack.

The rest of the paper is a rogues gallery of debunked and fringe science. Helen Ratajczak cites the Geier’s numerous times, DeSoto and Hitlan, Nataf and Rossignol to name but a few. This isn’t a paper so much as an advert for the sort of poor science that was examined in the Autism Omnibus proceedings and roundly rejected by the Special Masters. For goodness sake, she even cites David Ayoub of the Black Helicopter infamy.

Sloppy science: a perfect example of how the anti-vaccine crowd will listen to anything

 

[bendog]

New Medical Journal Review: Vaccine Injury is a Documented Cause of Autism
"Helen Ratajczak, the author, is a mainstream researcher, though there is no official affiliation listed on this review. She has authored or co-authored 41 papers listed on PubMed. In previous papers she co-authored, she was listed as an employee of Boehringer Ingelheim Pharmaceuticals, Inc. She also coauthored an FDA paper in 2006, and that same year was elected President of the Northeast Chapter of the Society of Toxicology. She is a serious and respected scientist.

In this review, Dr. Ratajczak discusses the presence of human fetal DNA in MMRII and Varivax vaccines. Here are some excerpts from theImmunotoxicology autism review:

The MMR II vaccine is contaminated with human DNA from the cell line. This human DNA could be the cause of the spikes in incidence. An additional increased spike in incidence of autism occurred in 1995…"

A quack.

The rest of the paper is a rogues gallery of debunked and fringe science. Helen Ratajczak cites the Geier’s numerous times, DeSoto and Hitlan, Nataf and Rossignol to name but a few. This isn’t a paper so much as an advert for the sort of poor science that was examined in the Autism Omnibus proceedings and roundly rejected by the Special Masters. For goodness sake, she even cites David Ayoub of the Black Helicopter infamy.

Sloppy science: a perfect example of how the anti-vaccine crowd will listen to anything

Actually calling her a quack is probably giving her too much credit.

 

[ogibillm]

I can't vote for folks who make idiotic statements like that. Christie is walking his back on parental rights concerning vaccination. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

But you voted for the 57 states guy

So you believe that parents should only make that choice. If so, you are foolish.

so you are for mandatory vaccinations? how about mandatory abortions? mandatory sterilizations? limits on numbers of offspring? Maybe you should move to China.

False equivalence. Your line of logic is that the state can take your brain. Grow the fuck up. We the People through out legislators can make certain decisions. We don't live in a libertarian state, we never will.

are you for mandatory vaccinations? yes or no. if yes, would that apply to all who enter this country illegally?

yes. unequivocally yes.

 

[ogibillm]

It's threads like this that show how Intolerant libs are and just screams.....SNOB

it's like: how dare YOU think differently than they do...

of all things to pick on to call people stupid and ignorant, that is just none of their business for one and two they SUPPORT abortions on demand

so sit down with your Faux outrages

it's not about thinking differently. it's about choosing your own facts in defiance of reality and living in a fantasy world where vaccines are harmful - putting the rest of us at risk.

doing that makes someone an asshole at best.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Given the responses from most on the right, libertarianism is the cause of mental disorders.

 

[bendog]

Given the responses from most on the right, libertarianism is the cause of mental disorders.

libertarianism could merely be a manifestation of a mental disorder (-:

 

[Dana7360]

But that was not what Randian Paul was alluding to. He was giving credence to the proven incorrect view that vaccinations lead to autism.

It is a free society, though perhaps people should not be allowed to go to Disneyland or movies or out in PUBLIC w/o having had vaccinations. Moreover, who'd vote for an idiot who expressed this view? Probably you would. LOL

what is it about facts that confuse you. What Rand said is accurate. He did not say that ALL kids who get vaccines will have problems, he said that some will, and that is a medical and statistical fact.

But on voting for idiots----------------------"what difference does it make" " ah aint no ways tarred" "it was caused by a video"

He didn't say there is an statistically insignificant chance an immunization would hurt someone. He gave credence to the wing nut crowd, and you're being disingenuous .. as usual.

from the OP, here is exactly what he said:

"
When asked by radio host Laura Ingraham Monday about his views on vaccination, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky said that while he is not “anti-vaccine” at all, he does think they should be voluntary, later going on to say that vaccines can cause “mental disorders.”

Please note the words "can cause". He did not say "will cause" or "most cause". He said "can" cause.

Here is what he said:

"I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. I'm not arguing vaccines are a bad idea. I think they're a good thing. But I think the parents should have some input."

Where is his evidence?

..and where is your evidence my dear??

Here you go:

CDC - Concerns About Autism - Vaccine Safety

Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism - Institute of Medicine

 

[ogibillm]

That's because Vaccines cause Neurological Disorders.

Vaccines and Neurological Damage

List of Vaccination-induced Neurological disorders:

• Encephalitis
• Ataxia/Apraxia
• Retardation
• Meningitis Paralysis
• Paralytis polio
• Ms Gullain Barre Syndrome
• Lupus
• Hyperactivity - ADD, LD
• Demyelinization diseases
• Auto-immune Diseases Epilepsy
• Convulsions - Seizures
• Blindness
• Deafness
• SIDS
• Epilepsy
• Mental confusion - lowered IQ
• Brain tumors (SV-40)

This list was generated from a variety of resources and is not, by any means, all inclusive.

well there's a list of bullshit if i've ever seen one.

 

[Dana7360]

The anti-vaxers are FuckWits, and if they want their children to get Polio, the good caring moral adults of America don't. The pendulum is swinging in favor of mandatory vaccination.

It was mandatory when I was a kid.

In fact it was taken out of the hands of the parents and put in the school districts.

Every child was sent to either the gym or the cafeteria, we were all lined up and everyone was vaccinated. The only kids who weren't were the ones who already were vaccinated.

It didn't cost the parents one penny beyond what they paid in their regular taxes for the schools.

It also resulted in eradicating several diseases. The reason they were eradicated was because EVERYONE was vaccinated. No exceptions.

That changed in the reagan years. The conservatives and republicans said it was government intrusion in our lives so the money for vaccinations were removed and rich people got a tax cut.

We need to go back to what it was like in the 60s and 70s when I was growing up. Everyone was vaccinated, everyone was safe and we eradicated a lot of childhood diseases.

 

[g5000]

That's because Vaccines cause Neurological Disorders.

Vaccines and Neurological Damage

List of Vaccination-induced Neurological disorders:

• Encephalitis
• Ataxia/Apraxia
• Retardation
• Meningitis Paralysis
• Paralytis polio
• Ms Gullain Barre Syndrome
• Lupus
• Hyperactivity - ADD, LD
• Demyelinization diseases
• Auto-immune Diseases Epilepsy
• Convulsions - Seizures
• Blindness
• Deafness
• SIDS
• Epilepsy
• Mental confusion - lowered IQ
• Brain tumors (SV-40)

This list was generated from a variety of resources and is not, by any means, all inclusive.

werll there's a list of bullshit if i've ever seen one.

Ayup.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There's more evidence linking vaccines to autism than there is linking a wisp of CO2 to global warming

 

[ogibillm]

But that was not what Randian Paul was alluding to. He was giving credence to the proven incorrect view that vaccinations lead to autism.

It is a free society, though perhaps people should not be allowed to go to Disneyland or movies or out in PUBLIC w/o having had vaccinations. Moreover, who'd vote for an idiot who expressed this view? Probably you would. LOL

what is it about facts that confuse you. What Rand said is accurate. He did not say that ALL kids who get vaccines will have problems, he said that some will, and that is a medical and statistical fact.

But on voting for idiots----------------------"what difference does it make" " ah aint no ways tarred" "it was caused by a video"

He didn't say there is an statistically insignificant chance an immunization would hurt someone. He gave credence to the wing nut crowd, and you're being disingenuous .. as usual.

from the OP, here is exactly what he said:

"
When asked by radio host Laura Ingraham Monday about his views on vaccination, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky said that while he is not “anti-vaccine” at all, he does think they should be voluntary, later going on to say that vaccines can cause “mental disorders.”

Please note the words "can cause". He did not say "will cause" or "most cause". He said "can" cause.

Not if a child attends public school. You have no right morally to put my child at risk.

If your child is vaccinated why would they be at risk? You libs really suck at thinking.

this is profoundly moronic.
first, vaccines do not offer 100% immunity. they may not be effective in some people, and some people are not able to be vaccinated because of other health reasons or age.

second, sick people breed illnesses. a compromised immune system is susceptible to other diseases, and so while we may be immunized against your primary illness, your secondary disease may infect other people.

third, while treating your unimmunized dumbass for a completely preventable disease resources are consumed that would otherwise be used to treat diseases that aren't completely preventable.

 

[Redfish]

The anti-vaxers are FuckWits, and if they want their children to get Polio, the good caring moral adults of America don't. The pendulum is swinging in favor of mandatory vaccination.

you never answered my questions: Do you support mandatory vaccination of every child (including illegals) before allowing them in a US school? yes or no

Do you support mandatory abortions? yes or no

Do you support limiting the number of kids a couple can have? yes or no

if yes on abortions, are you in favor of the death penalty for murderers? yes or no.

just trying to calibrate you, snake.