Rand Paul: Right-to-work laws 'would be great for the country'...will introduce legislation on that this week!

[Dragonlady]

Is that the time we were going back to with that great again stuff?

Why not?

outsourcing is bad for America

So the time when unions were strong was good?

The time when unions were strong coincided with the time American manufacturing was king on the planet, and that was due to the rest of the world having to catch up after WWII, which decimated them. If you recall, we were the only major manufacturer that emerged untouched from the war, so we had a few decades as the big dog on the block until the rest of the world caught up. You can't just point to one factor when there are hundreds that go into the equation. You might as well refuse to eat broccoli because everyone who ate broccoli during the Civil War is dead.

You didn’t go far enough with your analogies. Reagan’s attack on unions and the destruction of the union movement during the Reagan administration and beyond, is the basis for the shrinking middle class in the United States.

A thriving economy requires a vigourous and growing middle class to support its growth. The union movement built that middle class in America.

Reagan promised every working American a raise when the unions were gone. American workers are still waiting for that raise. Once the unions were gone, wages stagnated for the next 40 years.

why are you lying???

What am I lying about? Be specific. You haven’t offered a single rebuttal to my post other than to call me a liar.

Typical conservative. You’ve got nothing the other side is lying.

 

[progressive hunter]

Is that the time we were going back to with that great again stuff?

Why not?

outsourcing is bad for America

So the time when unions were strong was good?

The time when unions were strong coincided with the time American manufacturing was king on the planet, and that was due to the rest of the world having to catch up after WWII, which decimated them. If you recall, we were the only major manufacturer that emerged untouched from the war, so we had a few decades as the big dog on the block until the rest of the world caught up. You can't just point to one factor when there are hundreds that go into the equation. You might as well refuse to eat broccoli because everyone who ate broccoli during the Civil War is dead.

You didn’t go far enough with your analogies. Reagan’s attack on unions and the destruction of the union movement during the Reagan administration and beyond, is the basis for the shrinking middle class in the United States.

A thriving economy requires a vigourous and growing middle class to support its growth. The union movement built that middle class in America.

Reagan promised every working American a raise when the unions were gone. American workers are still waiting for that raise. Once the unions were gone, wages stagnated for the next 40 years.

why are you lying???

What am I lying about? Be specific. You haven’t offered a single rebuttal to my post other than to call me a liar.

Typical conservative. You’ve got nothing the other side is lying.

what reagan promised,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

 

[progressive hunter]

Is that the time we were going back to with that great again stuff?

Why not?

outsourcing is bad for America

So the time when unions were strong was good?

The time when unions were strong coincided with the time American manufacturing was king on the planet, and that was due to the rest of the world having to catch up after WWII, which decimated them. If you recall, we were the only major manufacturer that emerged untouched from the war, so we had a few decades as the big dog on the block until the rest of the world caught up. You can't just point to one factor when there are hundreds that go into the equation. You might as well refuse to eat broccoli because everyone who ate broccoli during the Civil War is dead.

You didn’t go far enough with your analogies. Reagan’s attack on unions and the destruction of the union movement during the Reagan administration and beyond, is the basis for the shrinking middle class in the United States.

A thriving economy requires a vigourous and growing middle class to support its growth. The union movement built that middle class in America.

Reagan promised every working American a raise when the unions were gone. American workers are still waiting for that raise. Once the unions were gone, wages stagnated for the next 40 years.

why are you lying???

What am I lying about? Be specific. You haven’t offered a single rebuttal to my post other than to call me a liar.

Typical conservative. You’ve got nothing the other side is lying.

I dont recall him saying any of that,, and I live here where as you dont,,

 

[pknopp]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

 

[progressive hunter]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

that all depends,,,musk and bezos worked for it before they got it,, the teen demands it before he works,,,

 

[pknopp]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

that all depends,,,musk and bezos worked for it before they got it,, the teen demands it before he works,,,

Nobody is working for the trillions the Fed is pumping into the markets. At least the teen will actually be doing work.

 

[progressive hunter]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

that all depends,,,musk and bezos worked for it before they got it,, the teen demands it before he works,,,

Nobody is working for the trillions the Fed is pumping into the markets. At least the teen will actually be doing work.

thats a different topic,,

but will the teens work be worth what hes paid,,

 

[hadit]

Is that the time we were going back to with that great again stuff?

Why not?

outsourcing is bad for America

So the time when unions were strong was good?

The time when unions were strong coincided with the time American manufacturing was king on the planet, and that was due to the rest of the world having to catch up after WWII, which decimated them. If you recall, we were the only major manufacturer that emerged untouched from the war, so we had a few decades as the big dog on the block until the rest of the world caught up. You can't just point to one factor when there are hundreds that go into the equation. You might as well refuse to eat broccoli because everyone who ate broccoli during the Civil War is dead.

You didn’t go far enough with your analogies. Reagan’s attack on unions and the destruction of the union movement during the Reagan administration and beyond, is the basis for the shrinking middle class in the United States.

A thriving economy requires a vigourous and growing middle class to support its growth. The union movement built that middle class in America.

Reagan promised every working American a raise when the unions were gone. American workers are still waiting for that raise. Once the unions were gone, wages stagnated for the next 40 years.

You cannot ignore the conditions that allowed unions to thrive. Several things have happened that have rendered them largely irrelevant:

1. The rest of the world caught up with us and was able to compete, driving down prices. Once upon a time, American consumers would only buy American made cars even though they were more expensive because foreign cars were poorly made. Once foreign manufacturers began producing higher quality, they were able to significantly undercut Detroit's prices, to the point that foreign made cars are now as if not more reliable than American, so there's no reason for consumers to pay for lavish union benefits any more.
2. Everything unions fought for was either encoded into law or made standard in business. Things like overtime pay, workplace safety, the 40 hour work week, etc. They were left chasing diminishing returns and many workers started asking if having union dues subtracted from their paychecks was really getting them anything. They failed to adapt to changing market conditions and are as relevant as T-Rex.

 

[pknopp]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

that all depends,,,musk and bezos worked for it before they got it,, the teen demands it before he works,,,

Nobody is working for the trillions the Fed is pumping into the markets. At least the teen will actually be doing work.

thats a different topic,,

but will the teens work be worth what hes paid,,

Moreso than the non work of those getting free money from the Fed.

 

[progressive hunter]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

that all depends,,,musk and bezos worked for it before they got it,, the teen demands it before he works,,,

Nobody is working for the trillions the Fed is pumping into the markets. At least the teen will actually be doing work.

thats a different topic,,

but will the teens work be worth what hes paid,,

Moreso than the non work of those getting free money from the Fed.

still not the topic,,, also not provable,,

 

[pknopp]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

that all depends,,,musk and bezos worked for it before they got it,, the teen demands it before he works,,,

Nobody is working for the trillions the Fed is pumping into the markets. At least the teen will actually be doing work.

thats a different topic,,

but will the teens work be worth what hes paid,,

Moreso than the non work of those getting free money from the Fed.

still not the topic,,, also not provable,,

LOL......of course it is. Some work, even menial work is more than no work.

You also do not get to set the paramaters of the discussion.

 

[progressive hunter]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

that all depends,,,musk and bezos worked for it before they got it,, the teen demands it before he works,,,

Nobody is working for the trillions the Fed is pumping into the markets. At least the teen will actually be doing work.

thats a different topic,,

but will the teens work be worth what hes paid,,

Moreso than the non work of those getting free money from the Fed.

still not the topic,,, also not provable,,

LOL......of course it is. Some work, even menial work is more than no work.

You also do not get to set the paramaters of the discussion.

I didnt set them I'm following them,,

 

[Richard-H]

Sen. Rand Paul: Right-to-work laws 'would be great for the country'

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., is expected to introduce right-to-work legislation on Wednesday, arguing on “Mornings with Maria” that it will benefit the whole country.

www.foxbusiness.com

there's something called DEMOCRACY. someone remind Rand!

This is great!!!

We could all use a good laugh!!!!

Thanks Rand!

 

[Mr Natural]

And what worker in his right mind wouldn’t fight for the right to make less money and fewer benefits?

 

[Polishprince]

Is that the time we were going back to with that great again stuff?

Why not?

outsourcing is bad for America

So the time when unions were strong was good?

The time when unions were strong coincided with the time American manufacturing was king on the planet, and that was due to the rest of the world having to catch up after WWII, which decimated them. If you recall, we were the only major manufacturer that emerged untouched from the war, so we had a few decades as the big dog on the block until the rest of the world caught up. You can't just point to one factor when there are hundreds that go into the equation. You might as well refuse to eat broccoli because everyone who ate broccoli during the Civil War is dead.

You didn’t go far enough with your analogies. Reagan’s attack on unions and the destruction of the union movement during the Reagan administration and beyond, is the basis for the shrinking middle class in the United States.

A thriving economy requires a vigourous and growing middle class to support its growth. The union movement built that middle class in America.

Reagan promised every working American a raise when the unions were gone. American workers are still waiting for that raise. Once the unions were gone, wages stagnated for the next 40 years.

Your rant is a load of BS. The unions aren't gone, and have never been gone. They have been in decline since the early 1950's, however.

Reagan didn't promise to get rid of the unions. All he did was fire a group of air traffic controllers, public safety workers, who violated their sacred oath to him not to strike.

The Middle Class was actually stronger during the 1920's, when Big Labor was at its nadir, than they were a decade later after Prohibition ended and the fellows at La Cosa Nostra got involved deeply in the Labor Movement.

 

[Mac-7]

Curse them good union wages.

I think most employers are willing to pay a fair wage for a solid days work

but in many industries that were closed shop the employees became sullen and unproductive

auto workers for instance could no longer be relied on to turn out a good car thanks to union protections of bad workers

the japanese recognized the problem and set up factories in southern right to work states and that really hurt the unions

 

[danielpalos]

there's something called DEMOCRACY. someone remind Rand!

Right to Work is the essence of democracy

closed union shops are like gulags

Don't union shops tend to pay more?

 

[hadit]

One has to chuckle at the "Libertarian" looking for the Federal government to take over what the states address now.

Ol Rand is really struggling to find a niche.

not all states are dealing with it,, and whats more general welfare than giving all americans the right to work without being extorted???

Giving them a fair wage for for working. A job that doesn’t pay a living wage is useless. Taxpayers should not have to subsidize wages for the working poor. If your company can’t pay living wages it doesn’t deserve to be in business.

what is a fair or living wage??

in my world thats about 75 an hr,,,

A fair wage depends on the job and where you live. A living wage is one that will put a roof over your head and food in your belly and provide basic living expenses.

Wages, as a percentage of income, are now at the same level as they were in the Gilded Age, when the Robber Barons ruled. Over the past 40 years, corporations have absorbed increases in the cost of property, raw materials, insurance, transportation, equipment and supplies. Executive income has increased by 1000% over the same time. And profits are are at a record high. But the buying power of working class income has actually declined during the same timeframe.

and what about a teenager still living at home??

should they be paid what a family if 5 needs to provide a roof and food??

are you also saying business's should pay people based on their family sizes and desired living conditions???

If Musk and Bezo's get billions there is nothing wrong with a teen getting $15 an hour.

The owner of the company takes all the risks, makes all the sacrifices, puts in all the insane hours to get the company up and running. That's a far cry from a teenager coming in after school for a few hours to learn a trade or get some work experience. It's a false comparison. You might as well complain that the janitor in a hospital should be paid more because a heart surgeon gets paid a lot. The company depends on the leadership making sound decisions, it doesn't depend on a teenager working for some weekend spending money.

IOW, you're ignoring the thousands of business owners who not only do NOT get billions, but barely pay themselves a salary in order to keep their company afloat. Musk and Bezo are outliers, NOT the norm.

 

[Mac-7]

Is that the time we were going back to with that great again stuff?

Why not?

outsourcing is bad for America

So the time when unions were strong was good?

The time when unions were strong coincided with the time American manufacturing was king on the planet, and that was due to the rest of the world having to catch up after WWII, which decimated them. If you recall, we were the only major manufacturer that emerged untouched from the war, so we had a few decades as the big dog on the block until the rest of the world caught up. You can't just point to one factor when there are hundreds that go into the equation. You might as well refuse to eat broccoli because everyone who ate broccoli during the Civil War is dead.

You didn’t go far enough with your analogies. Reagan’s attack on unions and the destruction of the union movement during the Reagan administration and beyond, is the basis for the shrinking middle class in the United States.

A thriving economy requires a vigourous and growing middle class to support its growth. The union movement built that middle class in America.

Reagan promised every working American a raise when the unions were gone. American workers are still waiting for that raise. Once the unions were gone, wages stagnated for the next 40 years.

You cannot ignore the conditions that allowed unions to thrive. Several things have happened that have rendered them largely irrelevant:

1. The rest of the world caught up with us and was able to compete, driving down prices. Once upon a time, American consumers would only buy American made cars even though they were more expensive because foreign cars were poorly made. Once foreign manufacturers began producing higher quality, they were able to significantly undercut Detroit's prices, to the point that foreign made cars are now as if not more reliable than American, so there's no reason for consumers to pay for lavish union benefits any more.
2. Everything unions fought for was either encoded into law or made standard in business. Things like overtime pay, workplace safety, the 40 hour work week, etc. They were left chasing diminishing returns and many workers started asking if having union dues subtracted from their paychecks was really getting them anything. They failed to adapt to changing market conditions and are as relevant as T-Rex.

I think history will show that japanese quality and engineering was high even before WWII

to me thats a positive example of free market globalism

countries like japan and germany that have comparable wages and living standards have to compete with US workers based on quality and value which is good for everyone

but china plays by different rules