Rand Paul doubles down on big, beautiful bill criticism after Trump slam

[citygator]

True you have to grow your way out as you make cuts in waste and fraud... you don't slash and burn your way out when you are dealing with people's lives and health and safety... the one thing I do not like about Rand Paul is he thinks you must slash programs and let the chips fall... not the way to do it...
Trump sent 9 billion in proposed cuts.... to both the senate and the house this week... Lets see who stands in the way...

He is growing the debt by trillions. Only thing he is cutting is the value of the dollar and any chance at lower interest rates.

 

[Orangecat]

One thing is certain....Rand Paul won't be moved on this issue.
The more Trump trashes him, the more energy he gets:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5330468-rand-paul-doubles-down-on-big-beautiful-bill-criticism-after-trump-slam/

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) doubled down on his objections to President Trump’s House-passed “big, beautiful bill” in Tuesday comments.

Paul said he strongly opposes raising the debt ceiling, which would be hiked by $4 trillion under the current legislation. Lawmakers have speculated the increase could cause debt to swell by $30 trillion over the next decade.

“I want to see the tax cuts made permanent, but I also want to see the $5 trillion in new debt removed from the bill. At least 4 of us in the Senate feel this way,” Paul wrote in a Tuesday morning post on the social platform X.

Republicans have a majority in the upper chamber but can only afford to have three defections to ensure the bill’s passage.

Paul, alongside Sens. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Rick Scott (R-Fla.) and Mike Lee(R-Utah), has urged his colleagues to cut down on spending allotments to rein in the country’s debt.

Do you oppose any budget that increases the deficit/debt?

 

[Rambunctious]

He is growing the debt by trillions. Only thing he is cutting is the value of the dollar and any chance at lower interest rates.

No he is not... the bill will cut the deficit eventually with growth in Oil and Gas sales around the world... new investment from Japan SA and a dozen other nations... Drilling for oil and gas will also cut into Putin's energy sales and that will help bring this war to an end...
The value of the dollar was cut under Biden... inflation kills the value of our money...

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[dblack]

Tell us, what should Trump do that he isn’t doing? Or trying to do?

Choke on a chicken wing?

 

[leftwinger]

These board stain, they chirp chirp chirp. Cutting spending on 20 million illegals will help. Stain against it. But stain want tax increases?

Yesterday one of peeKKKs' judges ruled Trump could not stop transgender care in prisons or others on Medicaid? Huh? Something g like that. Can't be stopped? WTH!

Just an example of what he faces. Heart transplants on death row. You can't make this stuff up. As China SK etc. laughs out loud.

 

[leftwinger]

Choke on a chicken wing?

That's helpful you useless bag of hog guts.

 

[kyzr]

Social Security, Medicare, Interest on the debt, Defense, and Medicaid.
Again...taxes being raised...are the only way out of this mess.
But raised on the right group of payers.

I can name a 6th biggie WELFARE.

Welfare and Medicaid are "charity".
SS & Medicare are paid for entitlements that are earned.
Interest on the Debt and Defense are necessary, but if push comes to shove Defense loses.

Interest on the debt can be reduced only if the Fed lowers interest rates and we start paying down the $36T Debt.
Here are ways to pay down the Debt:
Tariffs
Raise the top tax rate to 40%, Trump supports this
The Fed should lower interest rates in the coming years
Postpone the "Golden Dome"
DOGE finds more waste to cut like illegals or dead people getting benefits
End all subsidies and Foreign aid

 

[citygator]

No he is not... the bill will cut the deficit eventually with growth in Oil and Gas sales around the world... new investment from Japan SA and a dozen other nations... Drilling for oil and gas will also cut into Putin's energy sales and that will help bring this war to an end...
The value of the dollar was cut under Biden... inflation kills the value of our money...

Inflation Calculator | Find US Dollar's Value From 1913-2025

Easily calculate how the buying power of the U.S. dollar has changed from 1913 to 2025. Get inflation rates and U.S. inflation news.

www.usinflationcalculator.com

Inflation was world wide, not just in the US, and ours was lower with GDP and wage growth that offset it. However, casting your nonsense aside let me address your point…. You really think the oil and gas industry which is 8% of the US economy (link here) is going to offset a budget deficit that is virtually equal to all the business done in the oil and gas industry in a year? What planet are you from? And if the oil and gas industry could get trillions more in business why would they wait for Trump to tell them to go get that volume? You have no idea what you are typing.

 

[dblack]

That's helpful you useless bag of hog guts.

Thanks. I try to be helpful. It's what I do.

 

[YoursTruly]

True you have to grow your way out as you make cuts in waste and fraud... you don't slash and burn your way out when you are dealing with people's lives and health and safety... the one thing I do not like about Rand Paul is he thinks you must slash programs and let the chips fall... not the way to do it...
Trump sent 9 billion in proposed cuts.... to both the senate and the house this week... Lets see who stands in the way...

BS. Because of all this inflation creating spending, the amount of growth that's needed is impossible to reach. Too many industries have been forced out of the USA because wages are just too high in the USA for them to profit enough to return here.

The math doesn't lie.


500 employee's, 40 week in US vs Mexico or China

USA
500 employee's X 40hrs X $25hr X 50weeks= $25 million, just in wages. No benefits. No OT.

China
500 employee's X $25 per DAY ($125 per week) X 50 weeks= $3.125,000

$25,000,000
-$3,125,000
-------------
$21,875,000 in savings.

With the global markets so saturated with competition, there's simply no way to compete, in most industries.

 

[Rambunctious]

BS. Because of all this inflation creating spending, the amount of growth that's needed is impossible to reach. Too many industries have been forced out of the USA because wages are just too high in the USA for them to profit enough to return here.

The math doesn't lie.


500 employee's, 40 week in US vs Mexico or China

USA
500 employee's X 40hrs X $25hr X 50weeks= $25 million, just in wages. No benefits. No OT.

China
500 employee's X $25 per DAY ($125 per week) X 50 weeks= $3.125,000

$25,000,000
-$3,125,000
-------------
$21,875,000 in savings.

With the global markets so saturated with competition, there's simply no way to compete, in most industries.

Regulation and taxes chase business away... some businesses like NIKE want slave labor so they go to China and India... Trump says no more... either make your shoes here or get tariffed heavily...

 

[Zincwarrior]

The system is broken. This is what Trump has to work with. 12 years of Obiden and Election fraud have it where the Deep State wants it.

Tell us, what should Trump do that he isn’t doing? Or trying to do?

Don't extend the corporate tax rates. Don't extend the upper bracket tax breaks. Adjust Capital Gains to the same as income tax breaks.

Reduce all noninterest payments/budget by 10%, including the military.

 

[YoursTruly]

Inflation was world wide, not just in the US, and ours was lower with GDP and wage growth that offset it. However, casting your nonsense aside let me address your point…. You really think the oil and gas industry which is 8% of the US economy (link here) is going to offset a budget deficit that is virtually equal to all the business done in the oil and gas industry in a year? What planet are you from? And if the oil and gas industry could get trillions more in business why would they wait for Trump to tell them to go get that volume? You have no idea what you are typing.

Since 1980, inflation has increased to almost 300%. That's way more than all other competing countries like China.
In countries like that, $25 per DAY is a half way decent wage. Here it's a dirt low poverty wage.

 

[YoursTruly]

Don't extend the corporate tax rates. Don't extend the upper bracket tax breaks. Adjust Capital Gains to the same as income tax breaks.

Reduce all noninterest payments/budget by 10%, including the military.

Or greatly reduce spending. Stop borrowing from the fed. The government simply needs to learn to live within it's means.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Or greatly reduce spending. Stop borrowing from the fed. The government simply needs to learn to live within it's means.

The current plan further reduces those means to the benefit of the wealthy. Even tariffs are just another tax on the poor and middle class.

 

[Mac-7]

Social Security, Medicare, Interest on the debt, Defense, and Medicaid.

Again...taxes being raised...are the only way out of this mess.
But raised on the right group of payers.

And the reason for raising taxes is to balance the budget?

Not to increase spending?

Thats difficult to believe

I think if congress has mor tax revenue they will spend it

Plus raising taxes could actually reduce tax revenue or at best result in no increase in revenue

 

[citygator]

Since 1980, inflation has increased to almost 300%. That's way more than all other competing countries like China.
In countries like that, $25 per DAY is a half way decent wage. Here it's a dirt low poverty wage.

Comment was made about Biden and you went back 50 years. Regardless I guess you support raising the minimum wage? Me too. How do we get the rest of the righties on board?

 

[pknopp]

$180b a year is not a "drop in the bucket"

Look at the rescission packages coming soon

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Added together the "waste, fraud, and theft" adds up to more than $600b

You can make up whatever numbers you wish. Billions of anything is small when talking Trillions in debt.

 

[YoursTruly]

Comment was made about Biden and you went back 50 years. Regardless I guess you support raising the minimum wage? Me too. How do we get the rest of the righties on board?

Raising the minimum wage is a symptom of the problem.
I support a small, limited government that lives within it's means. But because they don't live within their means, minimum wages have to increase, along with the other wages. To keep up with the constant increase of inflation that comes from spending beyond their means.

This is easy stuff here. Why is there any disagreement? Inflation is simply too much money in the economy. And this is the fault of the governments overspending.

Overspending causes inflation to go up. Then wages have to go up. Then prices have to go up. And just about the time things start leveling out and people & businesses get used to it, the government dumps trillions more into the economy and the cycle starts over again.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

And the reason for raising taxes is to balance the budget?

Not to increase spending?

Thats difficult to believe

I think if congress has mor tax revenue they will spend it

Plus raising taxes could actually reduce tax revenue or at best result in no increase in revenue

That's an entirely different can of worms.
Start at the beginning. Where this all went off the rails in the early 80's..when..by the way, a Republican sat in the White House.

Raising taxes...raises revenues...unless it's spent in other forms before the revenue is taken in.