Rand Paul doubles down on big, beautiful bill criticism after Trump slam

[Mac-7]

I think I really care less about what you think.

Yet you posted to me in #44

And still have not given us an alternative to trump’s budget

 

[JGalt]

And she was ridiculed for that. It was one of the reasons Democrats lost big time in 2010.

The two parties will never learn.

I don't recall a single Democrat, progressive, or liberal criticizing Pelosi for saying that, do you?

Just drop the phony "I hate both parties 'cause they're icky" routine already. Everyone know where you stand, Cletus.

 

[pknopp]

I don't recall a single Democrat, progressive, or liberal criticizing Pelosi for saying that, do you?

I did.

Just drop the phony "I hate both parties 'cause they're icky" routine already. Everyone know where you stand, Cletus.

Funny you believe I'm responsible for the actions of others cause that's all you've got.

 

[Mac-7]

35T, you are not "cutting" your way out of this. Let the tax cuts expire. Time to pay up. Party is over

The current national debt of $37 trillion cannot be erased by raising taxes or cutting spending

Its simply too large

But we can reduce the annual budget deficit to prevent the nationsl debt from continuing to rise

However raiding taxes will slow economic growth

 

[rightwinger]

Rand Paul never supports a budget

 

[22lcidw]

trump flat out said we need more babies to tax our system and cost us more? I want to see this in writing, any link?
elon has said kids are a gift and he should know but he has the funds to pay for them, not rely on the government for SNAP so they can get baby formula on your dime

If you did not think that feminism was going to e painless in the future when it was forced on the population, then your naive. White women are just so important for posterity now to have children. So, we import other women to have the children. The greatest revenge is the end of a nation as most will be affected negatively when it gets here.

 

[Zafira Cherry]

The current national debt of $37 trillion cannot be erased by raising taxes or cutting spending

Its simply too large

But we can reduce the annual budget deficit to prevent the nationsl debt from continuing to rise

However raiding taxes will slow economic growth

This bill adds to the deficit.

 

[pknopp]

This bill adds to the deficit.

That no longer matters as it's aTrumps big beautiful deficit.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Well they also have Repblicans saying that passing this bill was a mistake.

/---/ So much for the Lib rant: Republicans all march in lockstep.

 

[pknopp]

/---/ So much for the Lib rant: Republicans all march in lockstep.

They did.

 

[mudwhistle]

He'll now be labeled a traitor by MAGA and they'll demand he be primaried.

I think it's become clear that just about every leader coming out of KY is a closet Democrat.
This is what happens when they take control of their elections and are allowed to count the votes.

 

[Mac-7]

This bill adds to the deficit.

Where/how does it add to the debt?

 

[Zafira Cherry]

Where/how does it add to the debt?

Adds to deficit

some say as high as 8T

 

[leftwinger]

explain to me why musk and some R's are bitching about this bill? what exactly is in it they really don't like?
no tax on tips? no tax on OT?
The bill is 1000 pages which is insanity, longer than moby dick so what else is in there we don't know?

I think it “fully” funds a bunch of Fraud filled waste like USAID, HHS and Dept of ED at Obiden levels. Even after DOGE findings, they could not cut out a lot of the BS? Is Ukraine funding in there too? Was spending mandantory leftover Obiden 2.0 obligations. Was Trump able to close DoED or not? Are Courts causing this? So much they don’t make clear!!

“Next time” they will clean it up. Is that OCT?

Rand is not wrong but 220 others have to agree? Where’s his bill? How long have they had to write it? Present it?

 

[BluesLegend]

He comes from a libertarian backround (see his Dad Ron Paul) and.. let's face it.. no one in official Washington wants anything to do with the libertarian agenda.

I really like Rand and have listened to him for years. But over the past year I woke up to the fact that the guy actually never accomplishes anything for the American people except judged those who do from his perch on the fence.

I respect people who get shit done when they are spending MY money. Rand needs to either get in the game or give up his seat to someone who will.

 

[pknopp]

I really like Rand and have listened to him for years. But over the past year I woke up to the fact that the guy actually never accomplishes anything for the American people except judged those who do from his perch on the fence.

I respect people who get shit done when they are spending MY money. Rand needs to either get in the game or give up his seat to someone who will.

Even when they are spending future generations money

 

[g5000]

One thing is certain....Rand Paul won't be moved on this issue.
The more Trump trashes him, the more energy he gets:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5330468-rand-paul-doubles-down-on-big-beautiful-bill-criticism-after-trump-slam/

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) doubled down on his objections to President Trump’s House-passed “big, beautiful bill” in Tuesday comments.

Paul said he strongly opposes raising the debt ceiling, which would be hiked by $4 trillion under the current legislation. Lawmakers have speculated the increase could cause debt to swell by $30 trillion over the next decade.

“I want to see the tax cuts made permanent, but I also want to see the $5 trillion in new debt removed from the bill. At least 4 of us in the Senate feel this way,” Paul wrote in a Tuesday morning post on the social platform X.

Republicans have a majority in the upper chamber but can only afford to have three defections to ensure the bill’s passage.

Paul, alongside Sens. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Rick Scott (R-Fla.) and Mike Lee(R-Utah), has urged his colleagues to cut down on spending allotments to rein in the country’s debt.

So here's the thing.

When you have tax revenues which are less than what you spend, you get a deficit. Then you have to borrow money from China and other cool places, increasing our total debt.

The Republican Party, being the party of fiscal responsibility, decided the answer to this dilemma is to decrease the amount of tax revenues coming in even more by extending the "Trump tax cuts".

Then it occurred to them this would actually increase the deficit by an extra trillion dollars.

These days, we toss around "a trillion dollars" as if its just bells and whistles.

Now the Republicans were confronted with a real poser. How to cut spending while still bringing in less revenue.

They could not let the tax cuts expire on the rich. The rich also need all the subsidies and tax deductions, credits, and exemptions they paid good money to our politicians to get.

If our politicians want to stay in office and have all that campaign cash rain down on them which gives them a literal 98 percent chance of being re-elected, they had to keep their mitts off the rich.

After all, George Soros needs every penny he can get to wage war on Mom and apple pie.

Then the deficit hawks (Paul, Johnson, Scott, and Lee) came up with a brilliant plan.

"Let's take our spending overruns out of the low-income strata! These negroes, hillbillies, rednecks, and the elderly are leeches on society!"

Rand Paul positively hates the poor.

Nevertheless, the party of fiscal responsibility is going to add $5 trillion to the debt, and they haven't even been in office for six month!

Of course, the MAGA cult will yet again turn a blind eye to this rank hypocrisy.

Because Republicans.

They will also try to ignore their own stench.

And since the Democrats have uniformly and unanimously voted against this "disgusting abomination" (- Elon Musk), the Republicans and Fox News will correctly blame them for it,

 

[leftwinger]

Rand is only doing what Trump promised to do.

If Trump wasn’t there would this spending bill be 25% higher and worse waste & fraud? Would the Tax rates go back to 2016 levels? Would that kill GDP & economy? The poor would lose $1000s off $50K? Maybe $5000 increased on $200K folks? Companies back to 28% would begin layoffs 10%?

 

[BluesLegend]

Even when they are spending future generations money

You bring up an excellent point. Future generations are SCREWED! I got my wealth and retirement locked in before the crash. Future generations will be SLAVES to our debt, our partying beyond our means with insane borrowing and spending for generations.

 

[leftwinger]

Watching them defend this has been remarkable.

Their "principles" change with Trump's moods.

SHUP you big ArseWipe. They were funding $25B all over the planet into “effects of alchohol” on Pakistani prostitutes etc. in a big giant list. Dept of ED with 15% HS able to read at 6th grade level for the love of GOD!

You ignored, you mocked, you giggled, you sucketh massive crank. You got no right to post abourt spending my Tax dollars anywhere! SHUP Utah Mac&CheeseDik.

If it were left to you it would be $10T/yr no questions asked with 65% tax rates. Get off these boards big phony Stain.