Rand Paul doubles down on big, beautiful bill criticism after Trump slam

[TemplarKormac]

Long story short: this bill is bullshit.

 

[YoursTruly]

There's very few conservatives left in America. Very few. Closest you're gonna come to it are the classical liberals.

Classical liberals and fiscal conservatives are close enough (IMO) to be the same thing.
None the less, you're 100% on how few fiscal conservatives there are. The GOP has done a good job at outlawing it.
I just don't understand how easy it was for them to do it. Like how TF does Mitt Romney get the RNC nomination? How TF does Trump, who spent $8 trillion in just 4 years, get the nomination twice? And elected twice.

 

[YoursTruly]

I like Rand Paul.

But even when I was with MAGA I didn't dislike him either. Even so, being a maverick in the Senate like John McCain is not wise.

What's not wise is supporting Trump over fiscal conservatives. They've been trying to do what Trump promised to do, for decades. Thomas Massie has introduced a bill that would abolish the Dept. of Ed. no less than 4 times now. One of them was when Trump was in office. At about the same time, Trump was calling for Massie to be primaried.

In March, the CR that Trump signed, fully funded the Dept. of Ed. Two weeks later he comes out and says it needs to be abolished. If it need to be abolished, why sign a bill that fully funds it?

Trump is a con artist. A genius at smoke and mirrors. He's taking the party so far left of center. And if anyone like Paul objects, the Trump cancel culture goes on the attack. Just like they're doing Elon now.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What's not wise is supporting Trump over fiscal conservatives.

It's not wise to always be an active saboteur of policy; when there are policies in the bill that people support, the people will naturally ignore the drawbacks. The carrot on a stick approach. He is acting against his political interest.

 

[TemplarKormac]

He's taking the party so far left of center.

Is he? Some of his policies are almost far-right if you want to be honest.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Why

Classical liberals and fiscal conservatives are close enough (IMO) to be the same thing.
None the less, you're 100% on how few fiscal conservatives there are. The GOP has done a good job at outlawing it.
I just don't understand how easy it was for them to do it. Like how TF does Mitt Romney get the RNC nomination? How TF does Trump, who spent $8 trillion in just 4 years, get the nomination twice? And elected twice.

If I were a WH reporter, I'd ask the Goebbels-like influencer serving as Press Secretary why Johnson won't bring seperate spending bills to the floor.

That way Orange Man could veto them seperately and illustrate where he actually stands on what is in this stack of legislation.

Of course, I doubt the answer to that question is on her piece of paper. Ha...

And no way she's intellectually capable of winging it and submitting any kind of valid, meaningful answer, so I imagine she'd just falll back on the old '"it's the big beuatiful bill and we need to pass it'' routine.

What a bunch of posers...

 

[YoursTruly]

It's not wise to always be an active saboteur of policy; when there are policies in the bill that people support, the people will naturally ignore the drawbacks. The carrot on a stick approach. He is acting against his political interest.

I learned this from Justin Amash, many years ago.

And how they'll initially create a HUGE spending bill by adding things they don't intend to pass. Then they'll cut those things out and say "we reduced a lot of spending."

Smoke and mirrors is all it is.

 

[YoursTruly]

Why


If I were a WH reporter, I'd ask the Goebbels-like influencer serving s Press Secretary why Johnson won't bring seperate spending bills to the floor.

That way Orange Man could veto them seperately.

Of course, I doubt the answer to that question is on her piece of paper. Ha...

And no way she's intellectually capable of winging it and submiting any kind of valid, meaningful answer, so I imagine she'd just falll back on the old '"it's the big beuatiful bill and we need to pass it'' routine.

What a bunch of posers...

When Trump was campaigning, he said he wanted smaller, more transparent bills. After the election, his true blue colors started showing by wanting massive bills.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I learned this from Justin Amash, many years ago.

And how they'll initially create a HUGE spending bill by adding things they don't intend to pass. Then they'll cut those things out and say "we reduced a lot of spending."

Smoke and mirrors is all it is.

Justin had the best voting record. Even better than Massies, which is saying something.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I learned this from Justin Amash, many years ago.

And how they'll initially create a HUGE spending bill by adding things they don't intend to pass. Then they'll cut those things out and say "we reduced a lot of spending."

Smoke and mirrors is all it is.

It's hard to argue, but hard to give up hope.

I don't want America to die.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Trump was calling for Massie to be primaried.

At the very same time, Pelosi was calling Massie a ''dangerous nuisance.'

‘Dangerous nuisance’: Pelosi slams Republican who requested roll-call vote on coronavirus relief bill - Washington Examiner

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi slammed a Republican congressman who attempted to slow the passage of a $2.2 trillion coronavirus relief bill. During an interview with MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, Pelosi called Rep. Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican, a "dangerous nuisance" for insisting on a...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Trump Calls For Massie to Be Kicked Out of GOP Over Stimulus Vote Block

Trump, who supports the legislation and which has broad bipartisan support, labeled Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) a "third rate Grandstander" who should be thrown out of the Republican Party by voters.

www.newsweek.com

At the time, this is why the big spending faces of the duopoly were mad at him...

Massie was, of course, correct in his assessment as history indicates.



They're all on the same team in effect. Not a nickel's worth of meaningful difference between em. Not really.

The Massie and the Paul types are the only exception.

These aren't "Mavericks."

They, unlike the majority of their peers, are statesmen. Get it straight.



All this big beautiful stack of bills crammed into one is doing is continuing the Tater administration's policies.

 

[HikerGuy83]

It's hard to argue, but hard to give up hope.

I don't want America to die.

She'll live.

But it's going to be painful.

Really painful.

 

[Natural Citizen]

(Like that avatar, by the way.)

Well, I'm supposed to be staying away from this place, per my own dictate.

So that's why I have that static there. I'm been sticking to it pretty well, too.

But...I'm bored tonight.

 

[YoursTruly]

It's hard to argue, but hard to give up hope.

I don't want America to die.

The only hope I have left is that Republican voters wake up and see how important fiscal conservatism is. And how to spot frauds like Mike Johnson and Trump.

It'll happen one way or another.

The hard way: Leaning the benefits of FC and replacing the RINO's with FC's. Forcing all the necessary cuts and eliminating 70% of government.

The extremely hard way: The dollar crashes, BRIC comes up with a global reserve currency and our economy crashes harder than Russia's in 1990/1991.

 

[JWBooth]

Don't confuse the RINOs with "conservatives." They're not even close. RINO's are closer to the democrats than the conservatives.
IE, there's only about 20 actual conservatives in the GOP.

I had the jerkoffs on this board in mind more than congressional GOPers

 

[Dorian Mode]

explain to me why musk and some R's are bitching about this bill? what exactly is in it they really don't like?
no tax on tips? no tax on OT?
The bill is 1000 pages which is insanity, longer than moby dick so what else is in there we don't know?

It is very complicated but I'll try to cast some light on this problem. There are 535 politicians in the federal government that represent their states or districts. They need to get reelected so they promise their constituents stuff and then go to DC and get it put into these Big Beautiful Spending Bills. If they don't get their way they bitch and hold their vote until they eventually get what they want. It's called pork spending. Now, Dick Cheney once told GW Bush that it is stupid to not spend as much money as possible on GOP causes, because if they don't the democraps will certainly spend it all on their insane causes. So, the two parties are locked in a spending battle to spend the money so the other party can't. The bad news is you and your offspring have to foot the bill for this. Musk is right, but the system doesn't work the way Musk wants.

 

[Mac-7]

explain to me why musk and some R's are bitching about this bill? what exactly is in it they really don't like?
no tax on tips? no tax on OT?
The bill is 1000 pages which is insanity, longer than moby dick so what else is in there we don't know?

That is the $4 trillion question

What new or old spending programs are the critics opposed to?

 

[JGalt]

One thing is certain....Rand Paul won't be moved on this issue.
The more Trump trashes him, the more energy he gets:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5330468-rand-paul-doubles-down-on-big-beautiful-bill-criticism-after-trump-slam/

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) doubled down on his objections to President Trump’s House-passed “big, beautiful bill” in Tuesday comments.

Paul said he strongly opposes raising the debt ceiling, which would be hiked by $4 trillion under the current legislation. Lawmakers have speculated the increase could cause debt to swell by $30 trillion over the next decade.

“I want to see the tax cuts made permanent, but I also want to see the $5 trillion in new debt removed from the bill. At least 4 of us in the Senate feel this way,” Paul wrote in a Tuesday morning post on the social platform X.

Republicans have a majority in the upper chamber but can only afford to have three defections to ensure the bill’s passage.

Paul, alongside Sens. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Rick Scott (R-Fla.) and Mike Lee(R-Utah), has urged his colleagues to cut down on spending allotments to rein in the country’s debt.

Let me see if I have this straight: You're elated that Rand Paul disagrees with Trump, but Rand Paul wants to gut more of your beloved entitlements?

You libs certainly are curious specimens.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nonetheless, despite all the 'conservative' pearl clutching in the Senate, the bill is going to pass. What will be in it is the point.

 

[TemplarKormac]

She'll live.

But it's going to be painful.

Really painful.

My friend, it already is painful. For the last 20 years, it's been painful.