Raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth ... on the Koran?

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Raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth ... on the Koran?
Citing state law, a judge bars use of the Muslim holy book, but some say the move violates the Constitution.
By Patrik Jonsson | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

RALEIGH, N.C. - As Muslim-Christian relations are under the spotlight around the world,US judges sometimes face a vexing question: Can witnesses raise their right hand and swear to tell the truth ... on the Koran?

The recent refusal by a Guilford County, N.C., judge to allow a Muslim woman to swear upon Islam's holy text before testifying is, in part, a new First Amendment challenge. And here in the Tar Heel state, the idea of swearing on books other than the Bible has reinvigorated a debate on the relationship between faith and truth that goes back to the founding documents of both the Carolinas and the country.

Certainly, some Americans, citing the nation's Judeo-Christian roots, dislike the use of the Koran in the court system. But, according to law scholars, allowing a range of holy books in oaths of justice may not only lead to a greater feeling of inclusion among religious minorities but also encourage them to tell the truth.

"For a long time it was part of the public trust to swear on the Bible before testimony, but today you have to ask a question: Is it really essential?" asks Derek Davis, editor of The Journal of Church and State and a professor at Baylor University, a Baptist institution in Texas.

Already, witnesses in American courts do not have to take a religious oath and can instead simply testify on pain of perjury. It's up to judges to decide what passes for an oath.

Most have apparently given other oaths wide latitude. In a federal terrorism case in 1997 in Washington D.C., for instance, the judge allowed Muslim witnesses to swear to Allah. And the practice isn't new: Mochitura Hashimoto, the Japanese submarine commander who testified in the court martial of a US Navy captain in 1945, was allowed by a military tribunal to swear on his beliefs of Shinto, the ancient religion of Japan.

But to Guilford County Superior Judge W. Douglas Albright, a 1777 North Carolina law clearly says oaths are made upon the "Holy Scriptures" - which scholars agree is a clear reference to the Bible. The Administrative Office of the Courts has so far declined a request by Muslim groups to make a rule change that would force judges to allow other religious oaths.

Since Judge Albright's decision, there's been a growing number of requests by other religious groups to have their holy texts allowable under law.

"It's gotten way out there: They've got everything from the Book of Mormon to the Book of Wicca on the list," says Judge Albright. "Our position is that the statute governs not only the type of oath, but the manner and administration of the oath, and that it's now a legislative matter to straighten out."

Legal experts say that both the "establishment" and "free exercise" clauses of the Constitution appear to prohibit banning the Koran. Indeed, some see the Guilford County controversy as another case of a US official promoting one religion over another.

"This case is a cousin to the Ten Commandments case in Alabama, where a judge does something that's pretty obviously unconstitutional, with a goal of sending a message ... that he's for fundamental religious values," says New York University law professor Noah Feldman, author of "Divided by God."

Muslims say the judge may be tapping into a post-9/11 ferment, with unspoken inferences to terrorism. "This shows there's a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment, especially here in the United States," says Arsalan Iftikhar, legal director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Washington.

But the Carolinas have their own unique role in the history of oaths. British philosopher John Locke, who helped forge the Fundamental Constitutions in the Carolinas in the 1660s, believed that atheists could not hold office or testify. After all, Locke wondered, how could anyone believe what they said if they carried no fear of God?

Yet the power of oaths has waned enough to make perjury laws necessary. At the same time, the Koran can be a powerful motivator to stick to the facts.

"The only thing more compelling [to] ... South Asian Muslims is to literally swear upon your mother's head, and mothers aren't as convenient to drag around in court as a copy of the Koran," says Manish Vij, a New York blogger who has written about the case on the website Sepia Mutiny.

Still, others say Americans should not lose touch with the country's Bible-rooted foundations.

"We don't have a state-run religion in this country and it's an honor to worship here, but some traditions that we've had for 200 years need to stay," says Michele Combs, communications director at the Christian Coalition in Washington.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0720/p02s02-usju.htm
 
GotZoom said:
If a witness were an athiest, what would he/she swear on?

Yellow Pages?

I would trust the testimony of a Muslim who swore an oath on the Koran wayyyyyyyyy before one who took an oath on the Bible.
 
dilloduck said:
I would trust the testimony of a Muslim who swore an oath on the Koran wayyyyyyyyy before one who took an oath on the Bible.

Why? Certainly you aren't suggesting that any Muslim who swore on the Koran would be more trustworty and honest than anyone who would swear an oath on the Bible.

Simply because that person is Muslim? Or simply because it is the Koran? Or both?
 
GotZoom said:
Why? Certainly you aren't suggesting that any Muslim who swore on the Koran would be more trustworty and honest than anyone who would swear an oath on the Bible.

Simply because that person is Muslim? Or simply because it is the Koran? Or both?


I think the point was that he would trust a Muslim who made an oath on the Koran more than a Muslim who made an oath on the Bible. Not that he would trust the Muslim more than a Christian who made an oath on the Bible.
 
no1tovote4 said:
I think the point was that he would trust a Muslim who made an oath on the Koran more than a Muslim who made an oath on the Bible. Not that he would trust the Muslim more than a Christian who made an oath on the Bible.

I can see that now....interpretation is a wonderful thing! Lol....

Interesting question though -

If someone asks you if you swear to tell the truth, does the fact that your hand is on a book of some sort (Bible, Koran, Yellow Pages), make your promise to tell the truth any more valid or reliable?

If I say I will tell the truth, I will tell the truth.

My word is my bond. I don't need a book to verify it.
 
GotZoom said:
If a witness were an athiest, what would he/she swear on?

Yellow Pages?

I might be wrong, but I think they 'affirm' to tell the truth.
 
GotZoom said:
I can see that now....interpretation is a wonderful thing! Lol....

Interesting question though -

If someone asks you if you swear to tell the truth, does the fact that your hand is on a book of some sort (Bible, Koran, Yellow Pages), make your promise to tell the truth any more valid or reliable?

If I say I will tell the truth, I will tell the truth.

My word is my bond. I don't need a book to verify it.
The practice was adopted when people had honor and when keeping an oath meant something. Those days are long past us now.
 
I wonder what would happen if someone went back in time to 9/12/2001 and told people that 4 years from now we would be letting people swear on the Koran, and that Infidel guards at Gitmo must wear gloves while touching it.
 
no1tovote4 said:
I think the point was that he would trust a Muslim who made an oath on the Koran more than a Muslim who made an oath on the Bible. Not that he would trust the Muslim more than a Christian who made an oath on the Bible.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
theim said:
I wonder what would happen if someone went back in time to 9/12/2001 and told people that 4 years from now we would be letting people swear on the Koran, and that Infidel guards at Gitmo must wear gloves while touching it.

we would have a gay parade, PETA would free all the animals in shelters and kids would get a week off from school.
 
GotZoom said:
If a witness were an athiest, what would he/she swear on?

Yellow Pages?

It was on this date, April 3, 1924 that the American actor some consider one of the greatest of the 20th century, Marlon Brando (Jr.), was born in Omaha, Nebraska, the offspring of alcoholic parents. He was reared by his grandmother, a Christian Scientist, from the age of 11, but was never very religious himself.

Brando's son, Christian, was indicted for murdering his sister's boyfriend, though he claimed it was an accident. He got 10 years and was released in five. At his trial in 1991, Brando refused to take an oath to tell the truth before God, claiming he is an atheist. He was sworn in under an alternate oath, which would seem to be the one that should be used in all cases!

Marlon Brando died on 1 July 2004 at age 80 in Los Angeles, CA
 
GotZoom said:
If a witness were an athiest, what would he/she swear on?

Yellow Pages?

:poke: Nothing. Just swear to tell the truth - period. A book isn't going to make what's said any more, or any less the truth.
 
Guilford, N.C. is my home county, and this case
has been in the news a bit here lately.

I think the legal authorities and scholars are being
completely anal.

"Holy Scriptures" can easily be taken to include
whatever scriptures are holy to the witness.

Anyone compelled to take an oath on scripture
he does not consider holy would, I feel certain,
be much less likely to consider the oath binding
than if he were to swear on scripture he does
consider holy.

And if an atheist wishes, he should be able
to take an oath a la Marlon Brando.
 

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