Raise the Minimum Wage

[Delta4Embassy]

Ah, the race card.

Always right around the corner.

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Ah the racist's excuse. No one likes us telepaths, we spoil everything.

 

[Mac1958]

Ah, the race card.

Always right around the corner.

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Ah the racist's excuse. No one likes us telepaths, we spoil everything.

Well, I think we can agree that you're hearing voices.

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[Delta4Embassy]

Gotta come up with a better line than 'the race card.' Makes you sound pathetic. Should come up with some kind of reason we shouldn't pay a living wage to fulltime workers. Not that you can, hence having to resort to insults and accusations of playing a card you can't refute.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Well, I think we can agree that you're hearing voices.

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Only voices I hear are your's. ...Why thankyou, I do try and workout when ever I can!

 

[dblack]

The wages for bottom tier jobs are low, because that's how much we value them as a society. You can't change that by decree.

 

[Care4all]

I think every teenager flipping burgers & dunking fries should be paid the equivalent of a dental assistant. I mean I'm sure learning the spatula was as tough as leaning how to perform dental procedures right?

Stupid libs

This will upset the balance of nature. Everyone will expect their wages be doubled. Why should a burger flipper earn as nearly as much as a mechanic or programmer or a hygienist? It's insane!

The first place you'll see this happen is at the companies who have several workers whose wages will increase. Everyone above them will expect the same thing. Should be interesting to see the dominoes fall.

The theorists never factor that stuff into their "ideas", but they don't have to. They're just theorists.

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Isn't that how it has always worked? Let's say in 1979 the minimum wage was $2.00 an hour and a business had 1 clean up janitor that made the $2, and the business had 1 secretary, with starting pay at $2.80 an hour...40% more than the minimum wage worker....and some other workers we don't need to discuss for this example....

in 2009 with the same starting secretary salary..... do you think you can hire her at $2.80 an hour? let's say 30 years later....minimum wage in 2009 was 7.00 an hour, you will pay the secretary 40% more than the minimum wage worker....then the secretary starting salary position would be $9.80 an hours...but if the minimum wage worker was making $10.00, the starting salary for the secretary would be $14.00 an hour....

Minimum wage is kept low, and not going up with the cost of living because they can pay the rest of the workers less and keep more of the profit for themselves and the higher ups....

that minimum wage for the lowest worker is what keeps the middle class behind the 8 ball....and you don't even realize this....????

 

[The Rabbi]

And that's why wage growth has been flat for three decades.
Take a look at historical wages (in Real Dollars) for non-supervisory workers. Productivity has been on a steady rise but not wages. These numbers are based on the Department of Labor who measures wage growth in Real Dollars as do economists, no matter what political stripe.

It's like a continuing theme with you. You pst a graph and you have zero idea what it actually says. It's 100% reliable.

We all have seen your ignorance in regards to graphs. It wasn't that long ago you posted a graph as evidence to back up some post of yours and the graph had nothing on but lines. No data going horizontally, no data going vertically. In other words it was meaningless.
Keep up the good work.
Hey, have you found a job yet or is this how you make your living?[/QUOTE]
Wow, the tu quoque fallacy. Plus you dont recognize irony when you see it. Perfect.

I am certain you'l have no problem explaining exactly what your graph shows then. Go ahead, make my day.

 

[The Rabbi]

Gotta come up with a better line than 'the race card.' Makes you sound pathetic. Should come up with some kind of reason we shouldn't pay a living wage to fulltime workers. Not that you can, hence having to resort to insults and accusations of playing a card you can't refute.

No one is stopping you from paying a living wage (whatever that is) to your workers.
The question is why you think you can dictate to others what they ought to pay.

 

[The Rabbi]

The wages for bottom tier jobs are low, because that's how much we value them as a society. You can't change that by decree.

No but you can make it worse.
There is a huge pool of unemployed people who would take min wage jobs. That pool keeps wages down on the low end because employers can always fire one unskilled worker and hire another for less.
Get rid of min wage entirely and there will be more employment, and more mobility as people gain job skills and thus value to a company.

 

[Stephanie]

Hardly anyone stays on mim. wage for long if they are worth anything
I worked my up to a higher pay at the school I worked at and that's how real life happens. At least it used be until everyone decided they needed this government to run their lives

 

[Mac1958]

Gotta come up with a better line than 'the race card.' Makes you sound pathetic. Should come up with some kind of reason we shouldn't pay a living wage to fulltime workers. Not that you can, hence having to resort to insults and accusations of playing a card you can't refute.

You brought it up, you threw race into the conversation, then you called me a racist. so man up and own it.

When in doubt, when there's nowhere else to go, call someone a racist.

Speaking of pathetic.

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[Mac1958]

Isn't that how it has always worked?

This is precisely the mistake that theorists make.

Yes, that is how it used to work, before the days of intense global competition from all sides, before the days days of automation, before the days of technology, before the days of exploding productivity. So theorists plug standard, outdated formulas into the equation and believe the result because they don't know any better, that's what the textbooks told them to do.

Let's just get this over with, increase the minimum wage to $15 as soon as possible so that we can start dealing with the real world ramifications that the theorists clearly don't understand.

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[The Rabbi]

Isn't that how it has always worked?

This is precisely the mistake that theorists make.

Yes, that is how it used to work, before the days of intense global competition from all sides, before the days days of automation, before the days of technology, before the days of exploding productivity. So theorists plug standard, outdated formulas into the equation and believe the result because they don't know any better, that's what the textbooks told them to do.

Let's just get this over with, increase the minimum wage to $15 as soon as possible so that we can start dealing with the real world ramifications that the theorists clearly don't understand.

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What days of global competition and technology would those be? The 1820s? Those things arent new. Technology displaced thousands of farm workers,who then found work in cities. It wouldnt be much different now, except that when gov't puts a floor on the price of labor you get a glut of it. Remove the min wage and many many jobs will be created to take advantage of cheaper labor.
Unless you think that collecting a government check is better than working.

 

[Mac1958]

Isn't that how it has always worked?

This is precisely the mistake that theorists make.

Yes, that is how it used to work, before the days of intense global competition from all sides, before the days days of automation, before the days of technology, before the days of exploding productivity. So theorists plug standard, outdated formulas into the equation and believe the result because they don't know any better, that's what the textbooks told them to do.

Let's just get this over with, increase the minimum wage to $15 as soon as possible so that we can start dealing with the real world ramifications that the theorists clearly don't understand.

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What days of global competition and technology would those be? The 1820s? Those things arent new. Technology displaced thousands of farm workers,who then found work in cities. It wouldnt be much different now, except that when gov't puts a floor on the price of labor you get a glut of it. Remove the min wage and many many jobs will be created to take advantage of cheaper labor.
Unless you think that collecting a government check is better than working.

I'm not sure what it is you think I'm saying.

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[RKMBrown]

Why raise it to 10 or 15 when we can raise it to 20 or 30 and really make a difference in people lives.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why raise it to 10 or 15 when we can raise it to 20 or 30 and really make a difference in people lives.

No one can explain where this 10 or 15 comes from. When querried they respond, that seems about right to me. It's insane.

 

[Stephanie]

This all smoke and mirrors played by the Democrat party ON OUR LIVES

How do you all like it? a lot of you don't seem to mind

 

[RKMBrown]

Why raise it to 10 or 15 when we can raise it to 20 or 30 and really make a difference in people lives.

No one can explain where this 10 or 15 comes from. When querried they respond, that seems about right to me. It's insane.

People like round numbers. 9.99 seems a lot cheaper than 10, and 15 is much better than 14.75, hell it even sounds better than 15.25 to others. To many digits and it takes more time and effort to make the campaign signs.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Raising the minimum wage historically has done absolutely nothing to help the poor or raise people out of poverty.

Bullshit. How completely ridiculous!

If it's completely ridiculous bullshit you should certainly have no problem providing evidence to the contrary.

Supporters argue that a higher minimum wage is an effective anti-poverty tool. If businesses must pay their low-wage employees more, then those workers should earn more and fewer of them should live in poverty. Common sense says a higher minimum wage should fight poverty.

The facts, however, show otherwise. Many economists have examined the evidence and come to the surprising conclusion that the minimum wage does not reduce poverty. Ohio University economists Richard Vedder and Lowell Gallaway examined the effect that increases in the minimum wage had on the overall poverty rate in the United States and on the poverty rates for groups like minorities and teenagers that might especially benefit from higher minimum wages.[1] They found that the minimum wage had no statistically detectable effect on poverty rates.

[1] See Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, "Does the Minimum Wage Reduce Poverty?" Employment Policies Institute, June 2001, at www.epionline.org/studies/vedder_06-2001.pdf(December 28, 2006).

Raising the Minimum Wage Will Not Reduce Poverty

You need evidence? Really? Okay, let's say you get a one week pay check that amounts to $240, or you could get a pay check that amounts to $500 for the week. Which pay check do you think will keep you out of poverty?

Definitely not the check they'll be getting from the umemployment line after they lose their job because their employer can't afford to give them a $260 week raise.

And by all means, use these Mythbusters to those who oppose you, a friend or loved one, from getting a much needed raise to improve their well being.
This is a Clip & Save!!

Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.

Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high-school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 88 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase are age 20 or older, and 55 PERCENT ARE WOMEN!!

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Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases FOUND NO DISCERNABLE EFFECT ON EMPLOYMENT. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.

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Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.

Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

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Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.

Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.

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Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.

Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.

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Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.

Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.

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Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.

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Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour - before tips. Even with a recent increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace the U.S. average in 2014.

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Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.

Not true: Employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $10.74 per hour – before tips. Yet, the San Francisco restaurant industry has experienced positive job growth over the past few years according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.

Not true: Only 23 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, meaning a majority of states have an hourly minimum rate at or below the federal minimum. Increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for some 28 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.

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Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.

Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.

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Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.

Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.

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Myth: Only part-time workers are paid the minimum wage.

Not true: About 53 percent of all minimum wage earners are full-time workers, and minimum wage workers contributed almost half (46 percent) of their household's wage and salary income in 2011. Moreover, more than 88 percent of those who would benefit from raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 are working adults, and 55 percent are working women.

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Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.

Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.

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Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.

Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

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Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.

Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set.

Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

 

[dblack]

Why raise it to 10 or 15 when we can raise it to 20 or 30 and really make a difference in people lives.

It's because, despite their claims to the contrary, they intuitively recognize that dictating wages with government harms the economy, and they don't want to harm it "too much".