ajwps
Active Member
José said:I stand behind my definition of ethnicity: it is indeed a mixture of race and culture.
I am glad to see that YOU are making your own definitions up to suit yourself. Real nice....
As jewish populations from the Middle East spread into nothern africa and Europe, most Jews married other Jews, as prescribed by their religion. But over time, marriage to non-Jews and conversion of non-Jews to Judaism were inevitable and bound to prevail. In central and eastern Europe jewish populations mixed with Germans, Poles and Russians. In Israel today, the Ashkenazim, the Jews whose ancestors came from those parts of Europe, are taller and lighter-skinned than other israelis. In contrast, the Sephardic Jews, whose ancestors lived in the countries bordering the Mediterranean, tend to be darker and smaller, reflecting the traits of the people they lived with and married. So as far as the jewish ethnicity is concerned, we can say that Jews are 90% culture and 10% race (by race I mean, genetic inheritance from the ancient jews who lived in the Middle East). To consider the Jews of today as direct descendants of the jews who lived in Palestine during the roman empire is nothing but a joke (a bad one, BTW).
Then you would have to consider Abraham, the father of Isaac and Ishmael, to be no Hebrew or Jew either as he was brought up in his father's idol sales emporium and botique while being reared up in the religion of idolworshipers. Are you trying to say something about genetics and direct descendants of an idolworshiper family?
Your definition of who is ethnically Jewish is your own invention and has no bearing on reality. Actually a Jew is anyone who believes in the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And certain Arab groups are anyone who believe in the Muhammad Qur'an book of copies of the Jewish bible, Christian Bible and the early pantheon of gods believed in both the offspring of the illegitmate child of Abraham. You may call him Ishmael.
So all the genetics and all the decendancy having nothing whatsoever to do with the people who believe in the One G-d of Abraham. Not to be confused with the idol Allah found in Hazor under the sands there.
In racial terms, they are just a bunch of Russians and Poles behaving like Jews.
Nice try.... But Jews by ethnicity are a bunch of Russians, Poles, Chinese, Portugese, Mexican, Canadian, Israeli, American, Japanese, Philippinos, Spanish, Columbian, South African and just about every non-Muslim country in the world. The Muslims either killed their Jewish inhabitants are expelled them to be absorbed into greater Israel.
Do you know what Arabs are really? They are half-breeds, half Hebrew and half Egyptian (Hagar). Arabs are now simply terrorists walking upright like mankind.
BUT HERE COMES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JOSÉ AND AJWPS. JOSÉ DOES NOT BELIEVE ANY PART OF THE WORLD “BELONGS” TO A GIVEN ETHNIC GROUP. JOSÉ DOES NOT BELIEVE IN COUNTRIES BASED ON ETHNICITY. JOSÉ DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EXPELLING PEOPLE FROM THEIR PLACES OF ORIGIN FOR ANY REASON. AJPWS DOES.
JOSE ALSO BELIEVES IN HIS URANUS FAMILY WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN EARTH REALITY.
It doesnÂ’t matter if the Jews who live in Israel are really jews in racial terms or just Russians and Ukrainians behaving like Jews. MOST OF THEM WERE BORN THERE AND HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO SPEND THEIR LIVES THERE AS ANY PALESTINIAN ARAB... NO ONE CAN EXPELL THEM.
Then why do you want to kill the Jews of Israel? Why do you want Arabs who have never stepped foot in Israel to have a right of return to a land never created by or for Muslims or Arabs?
Palestine is a region with two nations, the jewish and the arab nation... so the only reasonable solution is the creation of a bi-national state comprising the entire region of Palestine, a state of citizens that guarantees the right jews and arabs have to live anywhere they want in Palestine.
I have a better reasonalbe solution than you do. I say make Saudi Arabia a bi-national state comprosing the entire Arab countries, a state of Arab citizens that guarantees the right of the Arabs living in Israel to live anywhere they want in the new state of PanArabia. See map below..
http://muslims.homestead.com/IsraelBorders2004.html
Israel is not a bi-national state, itÂ’s not a state of citizens like America. Israel is a nation state, an ethnic supremacist nation state, a jewish racial dictatorship...so my comment still stands, Israel is indeed a pornographic political entity.
Your statement stands on its own merits for certain. At least you are not willing to have a democractic country established by the Jewish people and fought against 5 major armies on many occasions to be divided into something you see to be "PORNOGRAPHIC"