ajwps
Active Member
LMAO I TOLD YOU I STARTED THE WHOLE THING !!!!!
You really did do that little thing.
LMAO I TOLD YOU I STARTED THE WHOLE THING !!!!!
You really did do that little thing.
The israeli state has some theocratic elements embeded in its legal system, but it is fundamentally a jewish racial dictatorship more or less like SA under apartheid was a boer racial dictatorship.
The so called Basic Laws of Israel have the purpose of preserving the jewish character of the state that according to its rulers cannot be compromised in any way (sounds pretty racist to me).
The Basic Laws promote the immigration of jews and prevent the return of the palestinians war refugees to their places of origin. So Israel cant be considered a democratic country by any stretch of the imagination.
Israel would be a good candidate for the title of democracy some 2000 years ago, when Athens created a kind of proto democracy, based on racism and sexism.
But today there can be no democracy without our modern ideal of inclusiveness. Now its universal suffrage or nothing at all. By todays standards, Israel is nothing but a jewish racial dictatorship (as if there werent enough in the Middle East)
Merlin1047
Senior Member
Okay, Ive been quiet for a while but I can't stands it no more.
You cannot accuse the Jews of "racial" discrimination. First, it is inaccurate, especially today, to refer to the Jews as a "race". They are a religion. Likewise, Moslems are not a "race". Arabs may be considered a "race". Funny thing is, many Arabs are Jews.
Now if you want to talk about your objections to Jewish policy, at least put it in the proper context. Accuse them of discrimination or or exclusionary policies if you will, but charging them with "racism" is ridiculous on its face.
You also might try to temper your arguments with a little common sense and less of a one-sided approach. The Israeli government has done things with which I disagree. But on balance, you have to consider the environment in which the nation of Israel finds itself. Obviously that does not excuse every action of the Israelis, but it is only fair to put things into context. Give it a try. It might help relieve those migraines you must be experiencing.
ajwps
Active Member
The Arab Dictotorships in the Middle East have some theocratic elements embeded in its legal system, but it is fundamentally many Muslim racial dictatorships more or less like Saddam with his apartheid Sunii vs Shite vs Kurd with him as the dictator mass murderer.
The so called Basic Laws of Islam have the purpose of preserving the Muslim character of the sand dunes that according to its rulers cannot be compromised in any way (sounds pretty racist to me).
The Basic Laws promote the immigration of Arabs into Israel and caused the death or expulsion of the eon long Jewish residents and land owners in these Muslim nations. They all prevent the pallestinians from being assimilated into the Arab countries instead of infesting the land of the Jewish people. So Arabs cant be considered to be anything but dictatorship countrys by any stretch of the imagination.
Arabs have never been a candidate with the title of any democracy for some 1400 years since the pedophile Muhammad. Long after Athens created a kind of proto democracy, based on racism and sexism.
But today there can be no democracy without our modern ideal of inclusiveness. Now its universal suffrage or nothing at all. By todays standards, Islam is nothing but an Arab racial dictatorship (as if there werent enough in the Middle East)
Merlin1047
Senior Member
Speaking strictly for myself, I think it would be a damn good idea with minor modifications. Everybody does it. No exceptions (except hardship or physical / mental infirmity), no deferrments, no political weaseling no running off to Canada and coming back later, no rich daddy "buying" your way out. Some kind of government service. Doesn't have to be military, so if you want to be a conscientious objector" you still serve somewhere.
Merlin, as I said before (thread Palestinian Declares Israel Belongs to Jewish People) Jews are not a race nor a culture (religion), they are both, or in other words, Jews are an ethnicity.
The reason I use both terms interchangeably is that last time I checked this wasnt a forum about the anthropology of the jewish people, it was a thread about the Israeli/Palestinian issue.
So the distinction between race and ethnicity is real, but its also irrelevant to the issue being discussed, and besides, race is shorter and less academic.
But I concede you are right, Jews are not a race, so the term I invented jewish racial dictatorship is somewhat innacurate. Jewish ethnic dictatorship would be more precise.
Merlin, this is a fair request. So let me be honest with you.
The problem, Merlin, is that José disagrees on the most basic right a nation has, the right of Israel to exist. I believe Israel should become a single multi ethnic state comprising the entire region of Palestine, just what it should have been from the start.
I want a Palestine that has a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
I dont want a Palestine that has a government of the jews, by the jews, for the jews. Or, for that matter, of the arabs, by the arabs, for the arabs.
I support a Palestine that resembles America, not nazi Germany.
Then, when I see walls being erected instead of being torn down, when I see history going in the opposite direction of what it should be going, I get a bit frustrated and say things like that pornographic political entity called Israel.
I will try to avoid this kind of inflamatory remarks from now on and I appologise for the ones I made.
Merlin1047
Senior Member
Originally posted by José
But I concede you are right, Jews are not a race, so the term I invented jewish racial dictatorship is somewhat innacurate. Jewish ethnic dictatorship would be more precise.
I wasn't trying to be a smarmy picker of nits. It's just that these days whenever someone wants to discredit another, the first thing you hear is an accusation of racism. I guess I've gotten a little sensitized to the term since being characterized as a racist for disagreeing with AJ.
Merlin, this is a fair request. So let me be honest with you.
The problem, Merlin, is that José disagrees on the most basic right a nation has, the right of Israel to exist. I believe Israel should become a single multi ethnic state comprising the entire region of Palestine, just what it should have been from the start.
I want a Palestine that has a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
I dont want a Palestine that has a government of the jews, by the jews, for the jews. Or, for that matter, of the arabs, by the arabs, for the arabs.
I support a Palestine that resembles America, not nazi Germany.
Then, when I see walls being erected instead of being torn down, when I see history going in the opposite direction of what it should be going, I get a bit frustrated and say things like that pornographic political entity called Israel.
Well, all I can say is good luck with that. Perhaps you might consider a career researching human DNA or genetics. Because we have a whole lot of evolving to do before we can live up to the ideal you seek. Not saying it's not worthwhile. Just highly unlikely, given our current condition.
I will try to avoid this kind of inflamatory remarks from now on and I appologise for the ones I made.
No sweat. Been guilty of that myself. It's hard to avoid that when you get into a "discussion" with a couple of folks around here.
You can say that again, Merlin. But you know what??
The more I hear the president of the US and the world press saying "a jewish racial dictatorship and an arab racial dictatorship living side by side in peace" the more I believe Jeffersonian democracy is the real solution for that troubled part of the world.
HAHAHAHA
When I first saw it, I thought you had pasted my post and forgot to comment. Now I see its a satire based on it... LOL
I couldnt have said it better myself... If there is a region that cant be called a cemetery of democracy it has to be the arab world.... never disputed that.
Listen ajpws
If the israeli government refuses to allow the arab refugees to return, then, Israels supporters should be sufficiently honest and recognise that Israel is a jewish racial dictatorship calling itself a democracy because:
DEMOCRACY BASED ON ETHNIC HIERARCHY IS A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS.
Now you can mock my posts all you wish but the point Im making is real.
If the israeli government refuses to allow the arab refugees to return, then, Israels supporters should be sufficiently honest and recognise that Israel is a jewish racial dictatorship calling itself a democracy because:
DEMOCRACY BASED ON ETHNIC HIERARCHY IS A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS.
Now you can mock my posts all you wish but the point Im making is real.
ajwps
Active Member
Listen ajpws If the israeli government refuses to allow the arab refugees to return, then, Israels supporters should be sufficiently honest and recognise that Israel is a jewish racial dictatorship calling itself a democracy because: DEMOCRACY BASED ON ETHNIC HIERARCHY IS A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS. Now you can mock my posts all you wish but the point Im making is real.
Listen José
If the Israeli government allowed every nomadic Arab who ever wandered into and out of Israel to wander back, then there would be no more Israel. Every Democracy has an immigration policy in which the Democracy has every right to set up any rules they want and still remain an ethnic majority.
Your brother Muslims can't stand to see an infidel people on their own soil. Let me let you in on something.
Your Arab nomads will indeed rerturn to Israel as was prophecied long before Muhammad by the prophets of Israel. Take a look at what happens to them on their return to a land that is now a country instead of the swamp and desert they wandered around and out of many hundreds of years ago.
Ezekiel 39:11-16 (written long before one Arab ever entered the land of the Jewish people. How did this ancient Jewish prophet know of the events you will see when the Arabs try to take Israel from the Jewish people?)
ajwps
Active Member
You can say that again, Merlin. But you know what?? The more I hear the president of the US and the world press saying "a jewish racial dictatorship and an arab racial dictatorship living side by side in peace" the more I believe Jeffersonian democracy is the real solution for that troubled part of the world.
Which president of the United States said that there is a Jewish racial dictatorship? Could it have been Sadaam Huessein?
What has the American patriot Jefferson's democracy have to do with Israel's democracy and then by your Islamic judgement be foisted on another independent Jewish State Democracy? Jefferson based his democratic form of government on the system of justice and laws brought to the earth by those (damn) Jewish people and their G-d?
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So you define Israel as the land of the jewish people. Jews are the official ethnicity of the state of Israel. All the other ethnic groups who have a historical presence there belongs to the unofficial ethnicities and are subject to ethnic cleansing and have no right to return.
Well, you've just agreed with what I've been saying. Israel is a jewish racial dictatorship in disguise.
Every ethnic group who have a historical presence in a given country has the right to be protected from ethnic cleansing and be integrated in that country's society. And when this ethnic group is expelled and not allowed to return by another ethnic group, this constitutes ethnic supremacism not democracy.
So one way or the other we come to the same conclusion:
Israel is a jewish supremacist state calling itself a democracy
So you define Israel as the land of the jewish people. Jews are the official ethnicity of the state of Israel. All the other ethnic groups who have a historical presence there belongs to the unofficial ethnicities and are subject to ethnic cleansing and have no right to return.
Well, you've just agreed with what I've been saying. Israel is a jewish racial dictatorship in disguise.
Every ethnic group who have a historical presence in a given country has the right to be protected from ethnic cleansing and be integrated in that country's society. And when this ethnic group is expelled and not allowed to return by another ethnic group, this constitutes ethnic supremacism not democracy.
So one way or the other we come to the same conclusion:
Israel is a jewish supremacist state calling itself a democracy
ajwps
Active Member
So you define Israel as the land of the jewish people. Jews are the official ethnicity of the state of Israel. All the other ethnic groups who have a historical presence there belongs to the unofficial ethnicities and are subject to ethnic cleansing and have no right to return. Well, you've just agreed with what I've been saying. Israel is a jewish racial dictatorship in disguise.
You are really a funny Arab. You propose premises that have no relationship to one another. Jews are not the 'official ethnicity' of the State of Israel, they are the current holder and possessor of an independent State government. Then you throw in a non-related falsehood saying that the Jews are guilty of ethnic cleansing. Well ethnic cleansing is a painful word to a people who had survived the Nazi/Muslim attempt to ethinically cleanse them from the face of the earth.
If Israel were to actually undertake such a policy of ethnic cleansing, you would see relocation camps in the Negev desert specifically for the ethnic cleansing and gassing of every Arab in Israel.
You think everybody is ignorant, do you? Premise one and two do not equal absurdity. As you very well know, every Arab dictatorship in the ME has ethinically removed or killed every Jewish person who has lived and prospered in Arab countries for centuries. That is true radical hate of the Jewish religion and its people.
Kus-ah-tuk
Every ethnic group who have a historical presence in a given country has the right to be protected from ethnic cleansing and be integrated in that country's society.
Please give the universal law or rule that gives EVERY ethnic group within its borders the right to stay and kill the inhabitants of that land? (Ethnic cleansing in reverse in the case of Arabs) That would be a rule trick if you could produce such a fact.....
And when this ethnic group is expelled and not allowed to return by another ethnic group, this constitutes ethnic supremacism not democracy.
Says who and by what world or cosmic rule are you referring to?
So one way or the other we come to the same conclusion: Israel is a jewish supremacist state calling itself a democracy
Not really. It is you who have proven to divine unwritten laws or decrees that no one has ever heard before. Israel should be involved in the cleansing of the Arabs from their land, but that would make too much sense as self-protection is listed under the following law.
The Federation of the United Milky Way Galaxy, Title IX, Amendment 6 of the third constellation from Andromeda. Is this were you find your absurd conclusion and unknown laws?
So we are neither saying the same thing whatsoever...
Those palestinians were fighting one of the most sick and depraved resolutions in the history of the UN: the creation of a jewish racial dictatorship in a multi ethnic region called Palestine. But I agree that the ones who killed innocent civilians were no better than the racial dictatorship they were fighting.
Look ajwps,
I recognise that human history for the last 30000 years has been an endless succesion of land grabs and ethnic cleansings, I concede you this.
But as far as Israel is concerned, we have a ethnic group that has a historical presence in Palestine (arabs), want to return to their places of origin and are prevented from doing so by the laws of the state of Israel.
I am merely stating that Israels supporters should stop calling Israel a democracy and start calling it what it really is: a jewish racial dictatorship.
Let's make a deal so we can end our discussion ok ajwps? Start calling Israel a jewish racial dictatorship that don't allow refugees to return and I won't even bother to post here anymore.
This is all I ask of you.
ajwps
Active Member
Those palestinians were fighting one of the most sick and depraved resolutions in the history of the UN:
So you think that the 1948 UN decision to partition Israel into a Jewish and Arab state was depraved and sick? Are you digusted now that they continually find Israel guilty of remaining alive and a vibrant western country sourrounded by now ethnically cleansed Arab lands of all Jews.
the creation of a jewish racial dictatorship in a multi ethnic region called Palestine. But I agree that the ones who killed innocent civilians were no better than the racial dictatorship they were fighting.
Do you think you can give me even one second of time when the 3,316 year old Israel was ever a recognized country or government with a constitution called palestine? So you think that 'the ones' (Arabs) who kill innocent men, women and children are no better than Israel who fights to save their lives and their eons old country? Do you think that nothing happens on the earth that is not with the will of Allah?
Look ajwps, I recognise that human history for the last 30000 years has been an endless succesion of land grabs and ethnic cleansings, I concede you this.
See this José, you recognize that all of recorded human history is nothing more or less than land grabs. Did you know that the only world recognized law is the fact that any country that is overtaken or grabed by another stronger country becomes the official owners of the land and the losers no longer have any rights to anything. The losing nation has to either get out or live in peace with the winners. It doesn't matter if they lived on the land they lost for one day or for a thousand years. That is way things have always been and will continue.
If you concede this fact, then why do you think Israel should continue to either keep the Arabs in the land of Israel or allow any massive import of Arabs now living for many years in other countries to migrate to a land that has never been theirs?
The orginal evil peoples possessing the land of Israel are no longer in existence and there is no one who inherits this land or a right to it by default. You hate Israel, that is a given. But if you think for one minute that now that the Arabs want the modern westernized Israel will simply have to do what they have tried at least 5 times before. The Arabs must attack Israel and take it away by a land grab so that they can finally have a Palestine and then kill all the Jewish inhabitants of the land.
Get it through your head. There is no other way to obtain Israel. No deceit, no falsely signing accords or agreements, no using Arab as pawns to keep the Intifada alive.
Israel has every right to keep Israel and the Jewish people safe from people like you or other nations who simply decide that their problems are caused by those evil Jews.
But as far as Israel is concerned, we have a ethnic group that has a historical presence in Palestine (arabs), want to return to their places of origin and are prevented from doing so by the laws of the state of Israel.
As already explained there is no way in hell that any ethnic group who makes a claim to another's country has one iota of chance of making that disgusting and evil UN condemnations and amendments to change that fact.
Any imagined historical previous presence or return to Israel by Arabs is NULL AND VOID... Even Allah can't do what G-d the Almighty does not wish. The Jews win all wars waged against them only by the will of the G-d of Israel and apparently the Arabs lose every time by the will of the moon-god Allah.
Keep on blowing up your children into the fire of your stone god. You will be justly rewarded along with all the remainder of your ethnic racial Arabs.
I am merely stating that Israels supporters should stop calling Israel a democracy and start calling it what it really is: a jewish racial dictatorship. Let's make a deal so we can end our discussion ok ajwps? Start calling Israel a jewish racial dictatorship that don't allow refugees to return and I won't even bother to post here anymore.
Let end this conversation with the understanding that no false name calling or claims of racial dictatorships will change the fact that Israel has and will always remain in the hands of the Jewish people.
You can rant, rave, gnash your teeth and ball of your fists, but let us agree that no Islamic presence will long stay in Israel. Your prayers to Mecca 5 times a day leaves your rectums facing the holiest site of the Jewish people. The Temple Mount will soon be cleansed of the Islamic idolators who claim to believe in one god.
The Creator's wrath can only last for so long then you will be buried in the valley set outside for all the enemies of Israel and G-d.
This is all that is left for us to agree upon. The REALITY OF ISRAEL...
William Joyce
Chemotherapy for PC
For those paying attention, this was ajwps conceding the point that Israel is a racial dictatorship.
Tell this to the afrikaan people of South Africa. They also overtook SA and imposed a boer racial dictatorship on the black population. But through the efforts of the international community that racial dictatorship was peacefully dismanted and replaced by a multi ethnic state and now whites, blacks and Indians live as equal citizens before the law in a civic state, a state of citizens. If the boer racial dictatorship of South Africa could be dismantled why not the jewish racial dictatorship of Israel?
Sanctions are higly unlikely, since Israel is a racist state approved by the West, so the worlds best hope is that the new generations of israelis will identify themselves less and less with the racist ideology that created their country and maybe some day, Israel will become a single multi-ethnic state comprising the entire region of Palestine. Just what it should have been from the start.
You never know...Maybe Israels peaceful end will be a result of its own history and younger generations.
Congratulations to r2200t (and William), who seem to be the only ones here able to explicitly recognise the dictatorial nature and the ethnic supremacism of a state who refuses to allow the return of refugees based only on their ethnicity.
Now that even ajpws (implicitly) recognised this fact (LOL), we can end this discussion.
Bye
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