Racism isnt the problem holding blacks back

[berg80]

Date Published

1997

 

[berg80]

It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to see the family pictured here, is less likely to turn out a 13 year old carjacker.

The family in the picture doesn't live in an area where there are rampant carjackings.

As always this comes down to a chicken and egg question. Namely, what has made the nuclear black family so unstable? A-systemic racism for centuries. B-innate inferiority.

 

[berg80]

Its single mothers who dont marry and the men who feel they dont have to be fathers. Single mothers are the main cause of poverty and crime.

Single-Parent Families Cause Juvenile Crime (From Juvenile Crime: Opposing Viewpoints, P 62-66, 1997, A E Sadler, ed. -- See NCJ-167319) | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Welfare destroyed the father in the black family by paying women more for every baby they have and stopping the payments if they married. Fathers were replaced by the state. We can thank democrats for this disaster.
Crime and murder in black culture is more than the entire country's and democrats cover it up. They just dont care. Murder is the leading cause of death among blacks. They are the second poorest group in America.
Blacks in the 50s and 60s were making great strides until the Democrat Great Society stopped them dead in their tracks.

So do they vote for democrats

AI Overview


Decades of research have explored the complex factors contributing to the instability of Black families in America, identifying both historical and ongoing systemic inequalities as key drivers
.
Key contributing factors

• Historical context of oppression:
  
  • Slavery and its legacy: The brutal system of slavery, which lasted for over two centuries, forcibly separated families, denied individuals autonomy, and prevented wealth accumulation, with lasting effects on economic stability, social mobility, and mental health within Black communities.
  • Jim Crow Laws and Segregation: Post-slavery, Jim Crow laws and other forms of segregation and discrimination restricted Black Americans' access to education, employment, housing, and healthcare, perpetuating inequality and contributing to family disruption and economic hardship, according to Number Analytics.
• Systemic Racism and Discrimination:
  
  • Economic Disparities: Racism and discrimination in the labor market, housing market (e.g., redlining), and lending practices have created and exacerbated wealth inequality, making it difficult for Black families to build assets and achieve economic security.
  • Mass Incarceration: The disproportionate incarceration of Black men, often driven by policies like the "War on Drugs", has devastating effects on families, leading to family separation, financial strain, and negative consequences for the social and emotional development of children, according to the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
  • Intergenerational Trauma: The cumulative impact of historical and ongoing racism and discrimination can manifest as intergenerational trauma, affecting the mental and physical health of individuals and impacting family dynamics.
  • Unequal Access to Resources: Black families, regardless of income, are more likely to live in neighborhoods with high poverty rates and lacking essential resources such as quality schools, safe parks, and reliable transportation, notes the Urban Institute.
  • Racial Trauma: Experiences of racial discrimination cause chronic stress and can lead to racial trauma, with symptoms mirroring PTSD, impacting mental and physical health outcomes, according to UGA Psychology.

 

[Meathead]

AI Overview


Decades of research have explored the complex factors contributing to the instability of Black families in America, identifying both historical and ongoing systemic inequalities as key drivers
.
Key contributing factors

• Historical context of oppression:
  
  • Slavery and its legacy: The brutal system of slavery, which lasted for over two centuries, forcibly separated families, denied individuals autonomy, and prevented wealth accumulation, with lasting effects on economic stability, social mobility, and mental health within Black communities.
  • Jim Crow Laws and Segregation: Post-slavery, Jim Crow laws and other forms of segregation and discrimination restricted Black Americans' access to education, employment, housing, and healthcare, perpetuating inequality and contributing to family disruption and economic hardship, according to Number Analytics.
  • Economic Disparities: Racism and discrimination in the labor market, housing market (e.g., redlining), and lending practices have created and exacerbated wealth inequality, making it difficult for Black families to build assets and achieve economic security.
  • Mass Incarceration: The disproportionate incarceration of Black men, often driven by policies like the "War on Drugs", has devastating effects on families, leading to family separation, financial strain, and negative consequences for the social and emotional development of children, according to the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
  • Intergenerational Trauma: The cumulative impact of historical and ongoing racism and discrimination can manifest as intergenerational trauma, affecting the mental and physical health of individuals and impacting family dynamics.
  • Unequal Access to Resources: Black families, regardless of income, are more likely to live in neighborhoods with high poverty rates and lacking essential resources such as quality schools, safe parks, and reliable transportation, notes the Urban Institute.
  • Racial Trauma: Experiences of racial discrimination cause chronic stress and can lead to racial trauma, with symptoms mirroring PTSD, impacting mental and physical health outcomes, according to UGA Psychology.

So why do blacks have the same problem the world over?

 

[Hafar1014]

I look forward to reading the research you'll be providing to substantiate that assertion. But I'm not holding my breath.

Thats how welfare worked each baby increased the money and marriage stopped it. The government subsidizes single mothers and punished them if they married.

All Documents - Intellectual Life @ PCL

scholarship.law.upenn.edu

How the Child Welfare System Is Silently Destroying Black Families

A single call from an anonymous tipster is all it takes for the government to take children from their families

inthesetimes.com

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/entitlements-welfare-public-housing-great-society-black-family-father-crime-reconciliation-11632257747?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAhw3fr8tFRT-7WdJ0DPgJbuiRZUlUn-TXoRUxPhIbcj84JZliTFgdblLMlOj2k%3D&gaa_ts=68a392f8&gaa_sig=mAFns5yHojKonvgxaFL7Vp1Hz7cnBeVqvo9QYndcbLfG9pqPAFvg72eTlilCX206LVN_5eGT1ORctlDaAE4vHg%3D%3D

'War on Poverty' contributed to breakdown of American family

'Great Society' welfare programs aimed at curing poverty created perverse financial incentives to avoid marriage. Government attempts at preventing fraud in the programs drove men from homes.

magnoliatribune.com

Before the welfare state blacks had 75% homes with fathers. To day its 25%

 

[berg80]

Thats how welfare worked each baby increased the money and marriage stopped it. The government subsidizes single mothers and punished them if they married.

All Documents - Intellectual Life @ PCL

scholarship.law.upenn.edu

How the Child Welfare System Is Silently Destroying Black Families

A single call from an anonymous tipster is all it takes for the government to take children from their families

inthesetimes.com

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/entitlements-welfare-public-housing-great-society-black-family-father-crime-reconciliation-11632257747?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAhw3fr8tFRT-7WdJ0DPgJbuiRZUlUn-TXoRUxPhIbcj84JZliTFgdblLMlOj2k%3D&gaa_ts=68a392f8&gaa_sig=mAFns5yHojKonvgxaFL7Vp1Hz7cnBeVqvo9QYndcbLfG9pqPAFvg72eTlilCX206LVN_5eGT1ORctlDaAE4vHg%3D%3D

'War on Poverty' contributed to breakdown of American family

'Great Society' welfare programs aimed at curing poverty created perverse financial incentives to avoid marriage. Government attempts at preventing fraud in the programs drove men from homes.

magnoliatribune.com

Before the welfare state blacks had 75% homes with fathers. To day its 25%

Arguments against Roberts' abolitionist stance:

• Child protection is necessary:
  .
  Critics argue that completely dismantling the child welfare system, as Roberts proposes, would leave vulnerable children without a crucial safety net. They emphasize that the system, despite its flaws, provides a vital service in removing children from dangerous situations.
  
  
• Focus on reform, not abolition:
  .
  Some scholars and practitioners advocate for reforming the current system rather than abolishing it. They believe that addressing racial bias and improving support services for families can make the system more equitable and effective without completely dismantling it.
  
  
• Empirical evidence on child welfare:
  .
  Some point to studies like the National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect (NIS) which suggests that there are real differences in the needs of Black and white families that contribute to disparities in child welfare involvement, according to the University of Chicago Press: Journals. This challenges the idea that all interventions are solely driven by racism.
  
  
• Potential for harm from abolition:
  .
  Some fear that abolishing the system without a viable alternative could leave children at greater risk of abuse and neglect. They argue that targeted interventions to address racial disparities, while necessary, should not come at the cost of overall child safety.
  

In essence, the rebuttal to Torn Apart centers on the belief that while the child welfare system has significant flaws, it also plays a crucial role in protecting children. Instead of abolition, the focus should be on targeted reforms to address racial disparities and improve the system's effectiveness and equity, according to some.

 

[Edgetho]

So why do blacks have the same problem the world over?

Because they live in socialist shitholes. What caused Rhodesia to turn into Zimbabwe wasn't Black People. The same, exact people that lived in Rhodesia lived in Zimbabwe. The difference?

Mugabe was a socialist, a dimocrap scumbag. The New Yawk Slimes and Newsbleat Ragazine praised him as a "Practical Socialist" (I hate captializing that filthy word). Look it up if they haven't managed to 'scrub' it yet.

Where is the DISGUSTING FILTH now? Now that what they recommended, what they praised, what they pushed for, lobbied for has wrought so much death and desttruction?

Hiding, of course. Like the craven cowards they are.

socialism, dimocrap scumism, is The Great Deceiver. It has deceived and fooled much more sophisticated people than those who live in Africa or South America.

Ever heard of New Yawk Shitty? Shitcago? Kaliphony? Sang Frang? Every place dimocrap scum (socialists, same-same) go, they spread poverty, crime, destruction, despair, corruption...

Everything about dimocrap scum (socialists, et al) is evil and stupid.

Until people realize what it is, it will never end. Until normies start calling it what it is, people will never realize.....

dimocraps are scum

 

[frigidweirdo]

The issue is crime single mothers and black culture caused by democrat policies. It makes no difference what happens in other countries.

Yeah, it makes a lot of difference. If you have a situation where something is happening, and you claim it's welfare, but welfare exists in other places and doesn't cause the same problems, even among black communities, then you're probably WRONG.

You blame Democrats, but the reality is that Republicans probably share the blame, and might even be more responsible for this.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Yeah, it makes a lot of difference. If you have a situation where something is happening, and you claim it's welfare, but welfare exists in other places and doesn't cause the same problems, even among black communities, then you're probably WRONG.

You blame Democrats, but the reality is that Republicans probably share the blame, and might even be more responsible for this.

Here’s a question: Do blacks themselves share any of the blame?

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again; the only ones who can change the situation in the black community is blacks themselves.

Whites couldn’t do it even if they wanted to. Many do but nothing whites do works. Welfare won’t do it, reparations won’t do it and throwing money and social programs at the problem won’t do it.

These things don’t work because they will not, and cannot, address the root cause: the self sense of defeatism, of no possibilities and no options. Nor will it change the resentment many feel towards whites or the idea that society has failed them.

None of this discounts the effects of oppression and discrimination of the past but neither does it discount the fact that each of us is the captain of our course in life. Nothing kills our spirit faster than our own bad choices.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Here’s a question: Do blacks themselves share any of the blame?

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again; the only ones who can change the situation in the black community is blacks themselves.

Whites couldn’t do it even if they wanted to. Many do but nothing whites do works. Welfare won’t do it, reparations won’t do it and throwing money and social programs at the problem won’t do it.

These things don’t work because they will not, and cannot, address the root cause: the self sense of defeatism, of no possibilities and no options. Nor will it change the resentment many feel towards whites or the idea that society has failed them.

None of this discounts the effects of oppression and discrimination of the past but neither does it discount the fact that each of us is the captain of our course in life. Nothing kills our spirit faster than our own bad choices.

Here's the thing. If you live in a society who can change things?

Usually you need change from the top. If you want to empower locals to change their local area then you need to give them the support for that.

We have the knowledge of how to change things. You need to give kids reasons to not get into crime. Can a local person with no money do that? Can we expect local people to give up all their free time to help other people's kids?

Might work in one community, but won't work elsewhere. You want things to work, it has to be a whole effort of the state/country, using all the knowledge we have.

Relying on the locals to do it works in a few cases but will never work for the whole country, which is what you need.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Here's the thing. If you live in a society who can change things?

Usually you need change from the top. If you want to empower locals to change their local area then you need to give them the support for that.

We have the knowledge of how to change things. You need to give kids reasons to not get into crime. Can a local person with no money do that? Can we expect local people to give up all their free time to help other people's kids?

Might work in one community, but won't work elsewhere. You want things to work, it has to be a whole effort of the state/country, using all the knowledge we have.

Relying on the locals to do it works in a few cases but will never work for the whole country, which is what you need.

You didn’t answer my question: Do blacks themselves share any of the blame?

Even if everything you say is true, a young black man or woman full of anger and resentment will likely view such efforts as white guilt pandering and they will resent it. This is why I say that only blacks will be able to change their situation.

Another aspect to this is that the mindset of many inner city blacks is that any successful black person who tells them to quit playing victim and make better life choices will be viewed as an Uncle Tom or a sellout. Just ask IM2.

Unfortunately, they don’t want to hear “pick yourself up by the bootstraps”, they want to hear confirmation of their own perspective that it’s the white man’s fault. Until that changes, nothing else will change.

 

[Monoculturalist]

You didn’t answer my question: Do blacks themselves share any of the blame?

Even if everything you say is true, a young black man or woman full of anger and resentment will likely view such efforts as white guilt pandering and they will resent it. This is why I say that only blacks will be able to change their situation.

Another aspect to this is that the mindset of many inner city blacks is that any successful black person who tells them to quit playing victim and make better life choices will be viewed as an Uncle Tom or a sellout. Just ask IM2.

Unfortunately, they don’t want to hear “pick yourself up by the bootstraps”, they want to hear confirmation of their own perspective that it’s the white man’s fault. Until that changes, nothing else will change.

When Latinos eventually become the majority here, hopefully, a lot of the white guilt thing will evaporate. Most Latinos don't play that game, so all the racial grifters won't have as much power then.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You didn’t answer my question: Do blacks themselves share any of the blame?

Even if everything you say is true, a young black man or woman full of anger and resentment will likely view such efforts as white guilt pandering and they will resent it. This is why I say that only blacks will be able to change their situation.

Another aspect to this is that the mindset of many inner city blacks is that any successful black person who tells them to quit playing victim and make better life choices will be viewed as an Uncle Tom or a sellout. Just ask IM2.

Unfortunately, they don’t want to hear “pick yourself up by the bootstraps”, they want to hear confirmation of their own perspective that it’s the white man’s fault. Until that changes, nothing else will change.

The problem is your question doesn't lead to the answer to this problem.

The issue here is "how do we get people back on track?" Blaming people doesn't do anything.

Within every topic there's individual and collective responsibility. People within a microcosm will make choices that will lead to different outcomes. Some will get married and not get divorced and will produce decent children.

However we're looking at things statistically. And statistically if we do nothing and try and blame black people, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

The only way to change things, and we can see this by looking at how other countries deal with it, is to have a policy or series of policies that are well designed, taking into account the things we know.

The problem with the US political system is, the politicians are only interested in enriching themselves for the most part. They don't want the hassle of sorting out problems. Why do they care? They're rich, their kids will get a good education and live a life mostly away from violent crime.

Doesn't really matter whether there's resentment or not. It matters what impact you have.

If you make a policy now and it leads to a drop in single mothers, an increase in educational achievement among poor kids, leads to more opportunities for poor people, then every generation will get better.

Some will reject it. Rich kids sometimes reject all they've got. That's life. But statistically you make a difference, you then change the next generation, give kids a better chance and then move on to the generation after that.

Right now you just have a cycle of violence and poverty and crime.

 

[Monoculturalist]

The problem is your question doesn't lead to the answer to this problem.

The issue here is "how do we get people back on track?" Blaming people doesn't do anything.

Within every topic there's individual and collective responsibility. People within a microcosm will make choices that will lead to different outcomes. Some will get married and not get divorced and will produce decent children.

However we're looking at things statistically. And statistically if we do nothing and try and blame black people, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

The only way to change things, and we can see this by looking at how other countries deal with it, is to have a policy or series of policies that are well designed, taking into account the things we know.

The problem with the US political system is, the politicians are only interested in enriching themselves for the most part. They don't want the hassle of sorting out problems. Why do they care? They're rich, their kids will get a good education and live a life mostly away from violent crime.

Doesn't really matter whether there's resentment or not. It matters what impact you have.

If you make a policy now and it leads to a drop in single mothers, an increase in educational achievement among poor kids, leads to more opportunities for poor people, then every generation will get better.

Some will reject it. Rich kids sometimes reject all they've got. That's life. But statistically you make a difference, you then change the next generation, give kids a better chance and then move on to the generation after that.

Right now you just have a cycle of violence and poverty and crime.

If you understand how corrupt government is, you should realize the market solves these problems better than government. The strong survive and the lazy or inept don't.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If you understand how corrupt government is, you should realize the market solves these problems better than government. The strong survive and the lazy or inept don't.

If you understood that Proportional Representation makes government less corrupt by giving people oversight of government... then you'd realize why I've been pushing PR for the last 11 years.

 

[Monoculturalist]

If you understood that Proportional Representation makes government less corrupt by giving people oversight of government... then you'd realize why I've been pushing PR for the last 11 years.

We've gone over this before. Germany has something akin to PR, and they're more corrupt than us. I know you favor their system, but I guess that's easy for you to do since it leans heavily left.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We've gone over this before. Germany has something akin to PR, and they're more corrupt than us. I know you favor their system, but I guess that's easy for you to do since it leans heavily left.

Bullshit. Germany is not more corrupt than the US, not in a million years.

 

[Monoculturalist]

Bullshit. Germany is not more corrupt than the US, not in a million years.

They're not that different from the Nazi days, because they are inherently authoritarian. The only difference today is that they have progressive authoritarians in charge rather than nationalist ones. German culture overall is very collectivist, and while that does have some advantages, it sorely lacks a sense of personal liberties. One of the more obvious examples of this was their handling of the AFD.

Granted, much of Europe overall falls into this category. Romania is the latest example of a faux democracy due to their handling of their recent elections.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

You go bro speak your mind
She sounds like a nagging white prog female

And to say there's issues in the black community doesn't make you a waycist ..

you know maybe a little issue or 2

So everybody shut up because only the Highly Educated Progressive females have the correct answers while saying absolutely nothing....

 

[frigidweirdo]

They're not that different from the Nazi days, because they are inherently authoritarian. The only difference today is that they have progressive authoritarians in charge rather than nationalist ones. German culture overall is very collectivist, and while that does have some advantages, it sorely lacks a sense of personal liberties. One of the more obvious examples of this was their handling of the AFD.

Granted, much of Europe overall falls into this category. Romania is the latest example of a faux democracy due to their handling of their recent elections.

Where on Earth do you get your news from? The MAGA Times?

You are so wrong it's embarrassing.