Racism isnt the problem holding blacks back

[Monoculturalist]

Where on Earth do you get your news from? The MAGA Times?

You are so wrong it's embarrassing.

Banning AfD from running isn't what a supposed democracy or republic does.

Prosecuting the winner of an election (Romania) right after he wins the election also isn't indicative of a democracy or republic.

In both cases, it was pretty obvious what the political motivations of each situation were. What's embarrassing is your willingness to carry water for oppressive regimes, but then again, you're making excuses for China in a different part of this forum.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

The problem is your question doesn't lead to the answer to this problem.

If in fact blacks do share some of the blame then that puts us on firmer ground for addressing the problem, does it not?

The issue here is "how do we get people back on track?" Blaming people doesn't do anything.

Then tell blacks who blame whites to stop doing so.

Within every topic there's individual and collective responsibility. People within a microcosm will make choices that will lead to different outcomes. Some will get married and not get divorced and will produce decent children.

However we're looking at things statistically. And statistically if we do nothing and try and blame black people, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

I never suggested whites do nothing. If that’s how you interpreted my comments then you are way off.

The only way to change things, and we can see this by looking at how other countries deal with it, is to have a policy or series of policies that are well designed, taking into account the things we know.

The problem with the US political system is, the politicians are only interested in enriching themselves for the most part. They don't want the hassle of sorting out problems. Why do they care? They're rich, their kids will get a good education and live a life mostly away from violent crime.

It doesn’t matter; rich people will never solve the problem even if they wanted to.

Doesn't really matter whether there's resentment or not. It matters what impact you have.

When you say “you”, do you mean me or individuals in general?

If you make a policy now and it leads to a drop in single mothers, an increase in educational achievement among poor kids, leads to more opportunities for poor people, then every generation will get better.

No policy will lead to a drop in single mothers. The only thing that will do that is personal actions on the part of those involved to make wiser life choices.

Some will reject it. Rich kids sometimes reject all they've got. That's life. But statistically you make a difference, you then change the next generation, give kids a better chance and then move on to the generation after that.

Right now you just have a cycle of violence and poverty and crime.

Yes, but it’s a cycle the black community chose for itself and no one but blacks can break it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Banning AfD from running isn't what a supposed democracy or republic does.

Prosecuting the winner of an election (Romania) right after he wins the election also isn't indicative of a democracy or republic.

In both cases, it was pretty obvious what the political motivations of each situation were. What's embarrassing is your willingness to carry water for oppressive regimes, but then again, you're making excuses for China in a different part of this forum.

Have they banned the AfD from running? Nope.

HOWEVER a democracy needs to protect itself. A party that stands for things that go against the principles of democracy, should be banned. Whether the AfD meets those critera or not will be up to the German people.

But then look at the US where there's a two party system. They wouldn't need to ban the AfD because the two parties keep such a stranglehold on the system, that there basically is no democracy.

Just because you win an election, doesn't mean you're not a criminal (Trump, for example).

Also, that candidate didn't become President. So.... And he was arrested in Bucharest, not Germany.

But your last comment just makes me not want to talk to you. So, end of conversation.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If in fact blacks do share some of the blame then that puts us on firmer ground for addressing the problem, does it not?


Then tell blacks who blame whites to stop doing so.


I never suggested whites do nothing. If that’s how you interpreted my comments then you are way off.


It doesn’t matter; rich people will never solve the problem even if they wanted to.


When you say “you”, do you mean me or individuals in general?


No policy will lead to a drop in single mothers. The only thing that will do that is personal actions on the part of those involved to make wiser life choices.

Yes, but it’s a cycle the black community chose for itself and no one but blacks can break it.

Well, you seem to be looking for blame, and that doesn't solve anything.

 

[LeftofLeft]

During the 50s and 60s blacks made great and strides had intact families and low crime. The Great Society stopped that dead in its tracks.

Up until the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Great Society of 1968, Blacks faced more racism to the point their economic lives and welfare were more challenging. At the same time, there were more two-parent households in the Black Community, more Black owned businesses in Black neighborhoods. 60 years later since the passing of civil rights act and the great society, there are far fewer two parent households and black owned businesses yet there are more opportunities and more civil rights protections.

It doesn’t add up. The only explanation can be the fallouts from Johnson’s Great Society.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Well, you seem to be looking for blame, and that doesn't solve anything.

Avoiding the fact that they are largely responsible for prolonging their predicament certainly won’t solve anything either.

Until they, as a community, come to grips with and own the internecine slaughtering of young black men and the countless innocent children and people killed in drive-bys, the situation will never change.

 

[Hafar1014]

Yeah, it makes a lot of difference. If you have a situation where something is happening, and you claim it's welfare, but welfare exists in other places and doesn't cause the same problems, even among black communities, then you're probably WRONG.

You blame Democrats, but the reality is that Republicans probably share the blame, and might even be more responsible for this.

Your excuse is laughable and refuted by facts. The GOP ended Jim Crow integrated the schools, created the best jobs for blacks under Trump who also released many blacks from prison for minor drug charges.
Democrats control the crime ridden urban plantations where they live

 

[frigidweirdo]

Your excuse is laughable and refuted by facts. The GOP ended Jim Crow integrated the schools, created the best jobs for blacks under Trump who also released many blacks from prison for minor drug charges.
Democrats control the crime ridden urban plantations where they live

Ah yes, when people try and use facts but fail to understand them.

And then they have the nerve to say the shit that you've just said.

 

[Hafar1014]

Ah yes, when people try and use facts but fail to understand them.

And then they have the nerve to say the shit that you've just said.

I dont see any facts in your reply.

Lincoln freed the slaves
Eisenhower integrated the schools.
Democrats fought school integration remember George Wallace
Trump freed thousands of black men form prison for minor drug charges. Harris put 1500 of them in prison for minor drug charges.
Democrats trapped black on urban plantations with poor schools and high crime.

 

[berg80]

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again; the only ones who can change the situation in the black community is blacks themselves.

There is a grain of truth to that insofar as they could do more to fight against the racism that created the situation in the first place. If a person is in therapy due to an abusive parent at some point that person has to take affirmative steps to overcome the effects of the abuse.
People like the author of one of the studies blaming the victims of abuse are not unique in the black community. If they have been able to succeed in a racist culture like ours they sometimes look down on fellow black people for not being able to do the same. Not recognizing all people aren't born with the same degree of personal strength, intelligence, opportunity, and good fortune.

 

[Hafar1014]

There is a grain of truth to that insofar as they could do more to fight against the racism that created the situation in the first place. If a person is in therapy due to an abusive parent at some point that person has to take affirmative steps to overcome the effects of the abuse.
People like the author of one of the studies blaming the victims of abuse are not unique in the black community. If they have been able to succeed in a racist culture like ours they sometimes look down on fellow black people for not being able to do the same. Not recognizing all people aren't born with the same degree of personal strength, intelligence, opportunity, and good fortune.

America is not racist the problem of blacks has simple solution Get married first then have children

 

[berg80]

Eisenhower integrated the schools.

You're being too generous to Ike. He, to his credit, enforced Brown v Board of Ed. But he didn't initiate integration of the schools.

 

[Hafar1014]

You're being too generous to Ike. He, to his credit, enforced Brown v Board of Ed. But he didn't initiate integration of the schools.

Yes, President Eisenhower did send the National Guard to integrate the schools in Little Rock, Arkansas, but he first had to federalize them. In 1957, Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus used the state's National Guard to prevent nine African American students from enrolling at Central High School. Eisenhower responded by sending the 101st Airborne Division to escort the students and federalized the Arkansas National Guard, which was under state control, to become part of the federal force ensuring integration.


Context of the Little Rock Crisis

• Brown v. Board of Education (1954):
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  The Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation in public schools was unconstitutional.
  
  
• Resistance to Desegregation:
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  In 1957, nine African American students attempted to integrate Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas.
  
  
• Governor Faubus's Actions:
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  Governor Faubus called out the Arkansas National Guard, ostensibly to maintain order but in reality to block the students' entry.
  

Eisenhower's Response

1. 1. Federal Troops Sent:
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   President Eisenhower sent federal troops, including the 101st Airborne Division, to enforce the Supreme Court's ruling.
   
   
2. 2. Federalization of the National Guard:
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   Eisenhower then federalized the Arkansas National Guard, taking control of the troops from the state governor.
   
   
3. 3. Integration Ensured:
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   The newly federalized National Guard, along with the U.S. Army troops, escorted the nine Black students into the school.
   

This action was a pivotal moment, showing the federal government's role in enforcing civil rights and school desegregation against state resistance.

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[berg80]

America is not racist

Dude, c'mon. We've come a long way, especially legislatively. But open your eyes. Racism is not a vestige of the past. It's in the here and now and can be found in the premise of your thread.

 

[Hafar1014]

Dude, c'mon. We've come a long way, especially legislatively. But open your eyes. Racism is not a vestige of the past. It's in the here and now and can be found in the premise of your thread.

What can I do that you cant do. Ill give you the solution to every black problem. Get married first then have children

 

[berg80]

Yes, President Eisenhower did send the National Guard to integrate the schools in Little Rock, Arkansas, but he first had to federalize them. In 1957, Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus used the state's National Guard to prevent nine African American students from enrolling at Central High School. Eisenhower responded by sending the 101st Airborne Division to escort the students and federalized the Arkansas National Guard, which was under state control, to become part of the federal force ensuring integration.

As I said, he gets credit for enforcing Brown v B of E. Was integrating schools something he ran for office on? No.

 

[Lisa558]

Dude, c'mon. We've come a long way, especially legislatively. But open your eyes. Racism is not a vestige of the past. It's in the here and now and can be found in the premise of your thread.

What is racist about pointing out that the black underclass is being perpetuated by the continuing and shamefully high out-of-wedlock rate?

This insistence by the Left to blame racism for blacks’ problems does nothing more than instill anger and resentment - and does nothing to solve the problem.

The out-of-wedlock birth rate correlates with a higher crime rate, a lower educational attainment, and greater poverty. Blacks themselves must correct for that, and all it takes is responsible use of birth control.

 

[berg80]

Up until the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Great Society of 1968, Blacks faced more racism to the point their economic lives and welfare were more challenging. At the same time, there were more two-parent households in the Black Community, more Black owned businesses in Black neighborhoods. 60 years later since the passing of civil rights act and the great society, there are far fewer two parent households and black owned businesses yet there are more opportunities and more civil rights protections.

It doesn’t add up. The only explanation can be the fallouts from Johnson’s Great Society.

You're going to have to explain to me how you think laws outlawing discrimination, protecting the right to vote for black people, and programs like Medicaid, Head Start, and Affirmative Action caused the demise of the nuclear black family.

 

[Hafar1014]

As I said, he gets credit for enforcing Brown v B of E. Was integrating schools something he ran for office on? No.

Democrats get credit for the poor schools and opposition to vouchers trapping blacks in schools that teach nothing.

 

[Lisa558]

You're going to have to explain to me how you think laws outlawing discrimination, protecting the right to vote for black people, and programs like Medicaid, Head Start, and Affirmative Action caused the demise of the nuclear black family.

What caused the demise is the welfare programs that enabled black women (any women, but it’s significantly more of a problem among blacks) to have their children supported by the government instead of the fathers of their children.

I know someone with five kids, and five baby daddies, and NONE pay a cent in child support and barely see their kids. When I asked her why she doesn’t go to court to collect child support, she said it’s a hassle and easier to just get the money from the government.