Racism? Absurd On The Face OF It!

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Of course you are the one clearly 'triggered' by the OP.


Here's proof:


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
If there is no racism....

Why are you fragile minded right wingers so scared to death of becoming a so-called racial minority??

You prove you're a liar once again. She never said there is "no racism."

Lie, lie, lie and lie, it's what you leftists do



In a later post I will provide two examples of racism today.

Both due to the Democrat Party.
 
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I have often wondered if the democrats have really thought this socialism/equity thing through. For example, do you (dems) believe than a person who works harder than another person should be paid the same? How do you feel about giving a free ride to anyone who could work but doesn't? I thought you guys hate free-riders when it comes to unions, but you want to fully support anyone with at least a living wage whether they actually earn it or not, right? And do you really think that once you take down the rich and the big corps that there will be no others to take their place as the new wealthy, due to their political connections? The names and faces may change but inequality will still exist, or do you really think otherwise? And if you do believe that, then I fear that at some point you are in for a momentous reality check, because people are still people.

I thought racism was about discrimination to someone's detriment based on skin color, ethnicity, etc. And yet that's exactly what you want to do to someone else, you want to discriminate against someone whose skin color isn't in vogue at the moment. Namely white people. The democrats in California tried to change the laws in their state to allow them to do exactly that, so is that really what you want? You want to discriminate against someone for no other reason; someone who never owned any slaves, someone who never had anything to do with Jim Crow laws or segregated schools, but it's okay to discriminate against them anyway? If you believe that than you are perpetuating discrimination rather than trying to end it.

I believe that racism does exist in this country, but it's not systemic. There are no laws, regulations, policies, or practices that allow racial discrimination or any other kind of discrimination. It isn't the system it's the people in the system who discriminate and the only way to root it out and eliminate it is to identify the people and systems that are discriminatory. And here's the bad news, reverse discrimination is not going to help end the problem. And neither is the democratic party; they live off of identity politics and divisiveness it creates.
 
6. For point and counterpoint, here is the graphic representation of the ‘proof’ that America is racist: a cartoon.

This is their 'proof' that America is racist: it sure isn't the NBA.

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And the answer to the propaganda:

"If there were a contest for the most stupid idea in politics, my choice would be the assumption that people would be evenly or randomly distributed in incomes, institutions, occupations or awards, in the absence of somebody doing somebody wrong."
Thomas Sowell - The Dumbest Idea



“systemic racism” and “institutional racism” are anti-American myths spread by oppression-model dogmatists. Ever since the ascendance of Bernie Sanders, the platforms of the Democrat Party have been shaped by these myths. Thus the 2016 platform regards social and economic disparities as prima facie evidence of racial or gender oppression and attributes such disparities not to individual decisions, capabilities, and performances, but to unidentified “policies” which, if they actually existed, would be illegal.
Thomas Sowell, Discrimination and Disparities
 
I have often wondered if the democrats have really thought this socialism/equity thing through. For example, do you (dems) believe than a person who works harder than another person should be paid the same? How do you feel about giving a free ride to anyone who could work but doesn't? I thought you guys hate free-riders when it comes to unions, but you want to fully support anyone with at least a living wage whether they actually earn it or not, right? And do you really think that once you take down the rich and the big corps that there will be no others to take their place as the new wealthy, due to their political connections? The names and faces may change but inequality will still exist, or do you really think otherwise? And if you do believe that, then I fear that at some point you are in for a momentous reality check, because people are still people.

I thought racism was about discrimination to someone's detriment based on skin color, ethnicity, etc. And yet that's exactly what you want to do to someone else, you want to discriminate against someone whose skin color isn't in vogue at the moment. Namely white people. The democrats in California tried to change the laws in their state to allow them to do exactly that, so is that really what you want? You want to discriminate against someone for no other reason; someone who never owned any slaves, someone who never had anything to do with Jim Crow laws or segregated schools, but it's okay to discriminate against them anyway? If you believe that than you are perpetuating discrimination rather than trying to end it.

I believe that racism does exist in this country, but it's not systemic. There are no laws, regulations, policies, or practices that allow racial discrimination or any other kind of discrimination. It isn't the system it's the people in the system who discriminate and the only way to root it out and eliminate it is to identify the people and systems that are discriminatory. And here's the bad news, reverse discrimination is not going to help end the problem. And neither is the democratic party; they live off of identity politics and divisiveness it creates.

"I have often wondered if the democrats have really thought this socialism/equity thing through. For example, do you (dems) believe than a person who works harder than another person should be paid the same?"


Wonder no more!


Their Green New Deal actually says that America should pay those who 'don't care to work.'
 
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Of course you are the one clearly 'triggered' by the OP.


Here's proof:


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
If there is no racism....

Why are you fragile minded right wingers so scared to death of becoming a so-called racial minority??

You prove you're a liar once again. She never said there is "no racism."

Lie, lie, lie and lie, it's what you leftists do



In a later post I will provide two examples of racism today.

Both due to the Democrat Party.

The Democrat party is the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching and segregation. Democrats think blacks are still their property and blacks who try to leave the Nazi Democrat plantation are attacked to show other blacks what happens when they do. Just ask Tim Scott about that. It's deranged and sick. The Democrat party is the Nazi party
 
I have often wondered if the democrats have really thought this socialism/equity thing through. For example, do you (dems) believe than a person who works harder than another person should be paid the same? How do you feel about giving a free ride to anyone who could work but doesn't? I thought you guys hate free-riders when it comes to unions, but you want to fully support anyone with at least a living wage whether they actually earn it or not, right? And do you really think that once you take down the rich and the big corps that there will be no others to take their place as the new wealthy, due to their political connections? The names and faces may change but inequality will still exist, or do you really think otherwise? And if you do believe that, then I fear that at some point you are in for a momentous reality check, because people are still people.

I thought racism was about discrimination to someone's detriment based on skin color, ethnicity, etc. And yet that's exactly what you want to do to someone else, you want to discriminate against someone whose skin color isn't in vogue at the moment. Namely white people. The democrats in California tried to change the laws in their state to allow them to do exactly that, so is that really what you want? You want to discriminate against someone for no other reason; someone who never owned any slaves, someone who never had anything to do with Jim Crow laws or segregated schools, but it's okay to discriminate against them anyway? If you believe that than you are perpetuating discrimination rather than trying to end it.

I believe that racism does exist in this country, but it's not systemic. There are no laws, regulations, policies, or practices that allow racial discrimination or any other kind of discrimination. It isn't the system it's the people in the system who discriminate and the only way to root it out and eliminate it is to identify the people and systems that are discriminatory. And here's the bad news, reverse discrimination is not going to help end the problem. And neither is the democratic party; they live off of identity politics and divisiveness it creates.



May I point out that racism is an action, a behavior that impacts another individual based on the color of their skin.

It is not an opinion, bias, critique or statement......those are thought crimes and are criminalized in totalitarian nations.....not those covered by the first amendment.



Consider this: In America you can think whatever you choose. Not so under Marxism.


" In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food.

Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour.
“I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,” Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.

“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?” he asked. “Exactly” replied Lenin. Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”…
Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733
 
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Of course you are the one clearly 'triggered' by the OP.


Here's proof:


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
If there is no racism....

Why are you fragile minded right wingers so scared to death of becoming a so-called racial minority??

You prove you're a liar once again. She never said there is "no racism."

Lie, lie, lie and lie, it's what you leftists do



In a later post I will provide two examples of racism today.

Both due to the Democrat Party.

The Democrat party is the party of slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching and segregation. Democrats think blacks are still their property and blacks who try to leave the Nazi Democrat plantation are attacked to show other blacks what happens when they do. Just ask Tim Scott about that. It's deranged and sick. The Democrat party is the Nazi party



.....and of the 'braindead.'
 
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I offer this thesis, fully documented, while understanding that the indoctrinated have any use for truth, logic, nor experience.
Democrats will simply be Democrats.



1.Senator Tim Scott, a black man who has risen to the level of a federal Senator….from the South, no less, delivered the customary response for the opposition party. Scott, the only Black Republican in the Senate, declared to viewers: America is not a racist country.”

Of course, this runs contrary to the mantra from the Democrats, and if Scott’s statement were accepted, it would end the chances of the Democrats ever to be elected to a national office.



2. While the evidence is overwhelming that the Democrats lie about everything,…

First collusion, collusion, collusion, Russia, Russia, Russia, Obstruction, Obstruction, Obstruction. Racist, Racist, Racist, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Recession, Recession, Recession, Emoluments, 25th amendment, Stormy Daniels, lies about Charlottesville fine Nazis, Kurds, Ukraine, Quid Pro Quo, ‘lynching,’ the Kavanaugh hoax, the GAO charges, Lev Parnas, impeachment, coronavirus ‘hoax,’ General Flynn perjury trap, no evidence of voter fraud in the stolen election.....

Don’t forget the Democrats told you that Trump was colluding with Russia…and that wasn’t true. They also told you that so was Naval Academy grad Carter Page and so was George Papadopoulos and so was General Michael Flynn, a three star general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency….and all of that was a lie, and what about altering documents at the DoJ and FBI to railroad political opponents; the state media burying the Hunter Biden Scandal what with Joe getting 10% of the bribes; stories about Kavanaugh rape parties, and Covington Catholic School; Carter Page working for Russia when he was actually working for the CIA….where were those ‘fact checkers’?

...and, AOC lying about her near-death experience in the Capitol Riots.....when she wasn't even in the Capitol. And that Biden voters as agents provocateur weren't behind the Capitol Riot.....and that Pelosi knew and refused to allow extra security. They lie about everything.......

…..yet large numbers blindly follow every new lie as though the above didn't exist.



3. Which brings us to the central contemporary lie: America is racist.

If you ask for evidence of this slur, this is what you get:

“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.

5. But the ‘hook’ they hang their hat on is that ‘distribution’ thing: the demand that every income level, educational rank, every industry and career, all have the same numbers, ratios, quotas of every race and ethnicity.

If you believe the “America is racist” lie, you have to believe, or pretend to believe, the absurd demand that every venue be occupied by the same demographic ratios in the population.


To put it more succinctly, stupid people vote Democrat.

Well said. America guarantees equal rights and protection under the Law,
it does not guarantee an equal outcome for all citizens. Things like education, intelligence, hard work, social skills and many other factors determine success.

The other great unsaid variable is cultural. And yes, some cultures are more success oriented than others.
 
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Of course you are the one clearly 'triggered' by the OP.


Here's proof:


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
If there is no racism....

Why are you fragile minded right wingers so scared to death of becoming a so-called racial minority??


I am a minority, you dunce.
Always have been, since I immigrated.


Now....why are you so afraid of the challenge?


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
So since some white Americans don't believe they share in the benefits of White privilege -- you think that refutes the fact that White Privilege exists??

Bawahahahahhahahahahaha.....


Ask those white Americans has their historical family ever had to overcome an avalanche of systemically racist laws DIRECTLY TARGETED at them??


I'll wait

I think it should be Italian Privilege because we're the best of the Whites
 
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Of course you are the one clearly 'triggered' by the OP.


Here's proof:


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
If there is no racism....

Why are you fragile minded right wingers so scared to death of becoming a so-called racial minority??


I am a minority, you dunce.
Always have been, since I immigrated.


Now....why are you so afraid of the challenge?


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
So since some white Americans don't believe they share in the benefits of White privilege -- you think that refutes the fact that White Privilege exists??

Bawahahahahhahahahahaha.....


Ask those white Americans has their historical family ever had to overcome an avalanche of systemically racist laws DIRECTLY TARGETED at them??


I'll wait

I think it should be Italian Privilege because we're the best of the Whites

See, I would have thought Irish Privilege because we're the best looking and the most fun. :D. But I gotta admit Italian cuisine kicks ass. :thup:
 
I offer this thesis, fully documented, while understanding that the indoctrinated have any use for truth, logic, nor experience.
Democrats will simply be Democrats.



1.Senator Tim Scott, a black man who has risen to the level of a federal Senator….from the South, no less, delivered the customary response for the opposition party. Scott, the only Black Republican in the Senate, declared to viewers: America is not a racist country.”

Of course, this runs contrary to the mantra from the Democrats, and if Scott’s statement were accepted, it would end the chances of the Democrats ever to be elected to a national office.



2. While the evidence is overwhelming that the Democrats lie about everything,…

First collusion, collusion, collusion, Russia, Russia, Russia, Obstruction, Obstruction, Obstruction. Racist, Racist, Racist, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Recession, Recession, Recession, Emoluments, 25th amendment, Stormy Daniels, lies about Charlottesville fine Nazis, Kurds, Ukraine, Quid Pro Quo, ‘lynching,’ the Kavanaugh hoax, the GAO charges, Lev Parnas, impeachment, coronavirus ‘hoax,’ General Flynn perjury trap, no evidence of voter fraud in the stolen election.....

Don’t forget the Democrats told you that Trump was colluding with Russia…and that wasn’t true. They also told you that so was Naval Academy grad Carter Page and so was George Papadopoulos and so was General Michael Flynn, a three star general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency….and all of that was a lie, and what about altering documents at the DoJ and FBI to railroad political opponents; the state media burying the Hunter Biden Scandal what with Joe getting 10% of the bribes; stories about Kavanaugh rape parties, and Covington Catholic School; Carter Page working for Russia when he was actually working for the CIA….where were those ‘fact checkers’?

...and, AOC lying about her near-death experience in the Capitol Riots.....when she wasn't even in the Capitol. And that Biden voters as agents provocateur weren't behind the Capitol Riot.....and that Pelosi knew and refused to allow extra security. They lie about everything.......

…..yet large numbers blindly follow every new lie as though the above didn't exist.



3. Which brings us to the central contemporary lie: America is racist.

If you ask for evidence of this slur, this is what you get:

“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.

5. But the ‘hook’ they hang their hat on is that ‘distribution’ thing: the demand that every income level, educational rank, every industry and career, all have the same numbers, ratios, quotas of every race and ethnicity.

If you believe the “America is racist” lie, you have to believe, or pretend to believe, the absurd demand that every venue be occupied by the same demographic ratios in the population.


To put it more succinctly, stupid people vote Democrat.

Well said. America guarantees equal rights and protection under the Law,
it does not guarantee an equal outcome for all citizens. Things like education, intelligence, hard work, social skills and many other factors determine success.

The other great unsaid variable is cultural. And yes, some cultu


res are more success oriented than others.


Everything in your post is true......but I want to keep the spotlight on the lies the Democrats tell.


Three or four times I challenged the Democrat drone to take the challenge of the OP and offer proof.

He simply ducked and dodged.
 
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Of course you are the one clearly 'triggered' by the OP.


Here's proof:


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
If there is no racism....

Why are you fragile minded right wingers so scared to death of becoming a so-called racial minority??


I am a minority, you dunce.
Always have been, since I immigrated.


Now....why are you so afraid of the challenge?


“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.
So since some white Americans don't believe they share in the benefits of White privilege -- you think that refutes the fact that White Privilege exists??

Bawahahahahhahahahahaha.....


Ask those white Americans has their historical family ever had to overcome an avalanche of systemically racist laws DIRECTLY TARGETED at them??


I'll wait

I think it should be Italian Privilege because we're the best of the Whites



우리가 인계 할 때까지 기다리세요 !!
 
I offer this thesis, fully documented, while understanding that the indoctrinated have any use for truth, logic, nor experience.
Democrats will simply be Democrats.



1.Senator Tim Scott, a black man who has risen to the level of a federal Senator….from the South, no less, delivered the customary response for the opposition party. Scott, the only Black Republican in the Senate, declared to viewers: America is not a racist country.”

Of course, this runs contrary to the mantra from the Democrats, and if Scott’s statement were accepted, it would end the chances of the Democrats ever to be elected to a national office.



2. While the evidence is overwhelming that the Democrats lie about everything,…

First collusion, collusion, collusion, Russia, Russia, Russia, Obstruction, Obstruction, Obstruction. Racist, Racist, Racist, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Recession, Recession, Recession, Emoluments, 25th amendment, Stormy Daniels, lies about Charlottesville fine Nazis, Kurds, Ukraine, Quid Pro Quo, ‘lynching,’ the Kavanaugh hoax, the GAO charges, Lev Parnas, impeachment, coronavirus ‘hoax,’ General Flynn perjury trap, no evidence of voter fraud in the stolen election.....

Don’t forget the Democrats told you that Trump was colluding with Russia…and that wasn’t true. They also told you that so was Naval Academy grad Carter Page and so was George Papadopoulos and so was General Michael Flynn, a three star general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency….and all of that was a lie, and what about altering documents at the DoJ and FBI to railroad political opponents; the state media burying the Hunter Biden Scandal what with Joe getting 10% of the bribes; stories about Kavanaugh rape parties, and Covington Catholic School; Carter Page working for Russia when he was actually working for the CIA….where were those ‘fact checkers’?

...and, AOC lying about her near-death experience in the Capitol Riots.....when she wasn't even in the Capitol. And that Biden voters as agents provocateur weren't behind the Capitol Riot.....and that Pelosi knew and refused to allow extra security. They lie about everything.......

…..yet large numbers blindly follow every new lie as though the above didn't exist.



3. Which brings us to the central contemporary lie: America is racist.

If you ask for evidence of this slur, this is what you get:

“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.”
The Myth Of White Privilege post #77



Challenge them to name any such laws, and it’s like asking the Democrat to name books that have informed his geopolitical views. Zilch.

5. But the ‘hook’ they hang their hat on is that ‘distribution’ thing: the demand that every income level, educational rank, every industry and career, all have the same numbers, ratios, quotas of every race and ethnicity.

If you believe the “America is racist” lie, you have to believe, or pretend to believe, the absurd demand that every venue be occupied by the same demographic ratios in the population.


To put it more succinctly, stupid people vote Democrat.

Well said. America guarantees equal rights and protection under the Law,
it does not guarantee an equal outcome for all citizens. Things like education, intelligence, hard work, social skills and many other factors determine success.

The other great unsaid variable is cultural. And yes, some cultu


res are more success oriented than others.


Everything in your post is true......but I want to keep the spotlight on the lies the Democrats tell.


Three or four times I challenged the Democrat drone to take the challenge of the OP and offer proof.

He simply ducked and dodged.

You will not get a response to your question because those discriminatory Laws do not exist and have not existed since the passage of major civil rights legislation half a century ago.

The Founders did not promise a perfect union. They did promise a more perfect union that would evolve over time. It has, tremendously. Dims do not want to acknowledge that progress because it undercuts there anti-white racism and message of victim hood to non whites. Only woke and enlightened White Dims like creepy Joe Biden, and Nancy Pelosi can saved the colored folks.

The fact any minorities believe any of the crap the Dims tell them amazes me.
 
7. If this nation was actually based on white supremacy, which race would be doing best?



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8. Notice the result of all the ‘help’ Democrats/Liberals have given black Americans.

“It was the misfortune of black Americans that they were just on the verge of passing through the immigrant experience when damaging ideas about welfare and the lenient attitude about crime took hold. It could have happened to the Italians, Germans, Jews or Irish, but luckily for them, there were no Liberals around to “help” when they arrived.” Coulter



If you vote Democrat based on the ‘racism’ lies, you really must be pretty stupid.
 
For some conservatives.....losing the narrative is scary......
For most people, losing to a bullshit narrative is scary. Wars get started for much less.
Like the Civil War??

Or World War 1, 2, Vietnam...which wars are you talking about?

And if you believe a war will be started because people are learning accurate history -- what does that say about the folks starting that war?

Is the history that bad that they would start a war if it was told?
 

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