Rabbis Encourage Insubordination Within IDF Over Settlement Evacuations

[NATO AIR]

the fun continues, there is quite the row going on over all this

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237299/

Israeli brass warns against insubordination
In fight over settlements, rabbis urge soldiers to disobey orders

The Associated Press
Updated: 4:24 p.m. ET Oct. 19, 2004
JERUSALEM - Israel’s army chief of staff on Tuesday condemned a call from scores of rabbis for observant soldiers to refuse to obey orders to evacuate Jewish settlements under next year’s planned Israeli pullout from the Gaza Strip.

The statement by Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon, broadcast on local media, reflected army officials’ growing concern that a significant number of soldiers would heed the rabbis’ call, causing a crisis in the army.

“Insubordination is dangerous to us as an army, as a society and as a nation. This is not legitimate and inappropriate,” Yaalon said. “Don’t put us in impossible situations.”

“I call upon all those involved, from across the political spectrum, to show responsibility and not to undermine the (military),” he said at a navy memorial ceremony.

Under Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s “disengagement plan,” Israel would withdraw from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements next year, removing 8,600 settlers from their homes.

On Tuesday evening, an Israeli soldier was slain in a drive-by shooting at an isolated settlement between the Palestinian towns of Tulkarem and Jenin, near the West Bank settlements slated for evacuation, the military said.

The Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, a militant group tied to Yasser Arafat’s Fatah faction, claimed responsibility.

Poisoned atmosphere
Sharon’s plan, though supported by a strong majority of Israelis in opinion polls, has infuriated many in his hard-line Likud Party and his former allies in the settlers movement.

Opponents recently have begun waging strident verbal attacks on the prime minister. Opposition leader Shimon Peres said they are reminiscent of the poisonous political climate that preceded the 1995 assassination of then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

In the months before he was killed by an ultranationalist Jew, Rabin came under a barrage of increasingly personal verbal assaults from hard-liners — including Sharon — opposed to his peace deals with the Palestinians.

New posters in the campaign against the plan accuse Sharon of “tearing the nation apart.” Others show a picture of Sharon, the word “crazy” and three question marks across his forehead.

“While I am very much worried about the climate, I believe that all the security measures have been taken to defend anybody, including the prime minister,” Peres told The Associated Press.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he, too, is concerned.

“We had enough a decade ago,” he said of Rabin’s assassination. “There is no way we can allow ourselves to experience the same trauma again.”

Sharon rejects referendum
The campaign against the plan has been growing more intense in the run-up to next week’s parliament vote. Settler leaders have demanded a national referendum on the plan, but Sharon has dismissed that as a delaying tactic.

Last week, Avraham Shapira, a former chief rabbi of Israel, ruled that Sharon’s plan violates Jewish law and said observant soldiers should not participate in removing settlers from their homes. Sixty other rabbis signed on to Shapira’s statement.

Analysts warned that even a small-scale mutiny could paralyze the army, where many observant soldiers serve in combat and other elite units.

Some of those soldiers are in special programs combining army duty and Jewish seminary study, possibly dividing their religious and military loyalties, analysts said.

“If the calls by the rabbis lead to a wave of refusing orders, it could become the greatest internal challenge to the army since the war began,” military analyst Amos Harel wrote in the Haaretz daily.

Israeli analyst Yossi Alpher said, “If this does not completely paralyze the army, it could make it very difficult for them to carry out the actual evacuation.”

The rabbis’ call has been harshly criticized by many across the political spectrum, including the religious kibbutz movement and even some settler leaders, who say that maintaining the fabric of Israel’s democracy is more important.

Palmach Zeevi, an opponent of Sharon’s plan and the son of slain hard-line minister Rehavam Zeevi, told a memorial service for his father Tuesday that disobeying orders “is a type of anarchy that will shake the very foundations of the state.” Rehavam Zeevi was gunned down by Palestinians in a Jerusalem hotel in 2001.

The crisis with hard-line soldiers would be a mirror image of an ongoing problem the army has faced in recent years with dovish soldiers who refused to serve in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Though those protests have been limited in scope, the army has sent many of those soldiers to jail.

Also Tuesday, troops in Gaza killed two Palestinian militants seen crawling toward the border fence with Israel east of the town of Beit Hanoun, the army said. The militants were allegedly trying to plant a bomb.

In a separate incident, soldiers shot and critically wounded a Palestinian woman who was in a taxi near a checkpoint outside the main Gaza settlement bloc, Palestinians said. The army had no immediate comment.

 

[ajwps]

the fun continues, there is quite the row going on over all this

Yes and John Kerry wanted to destroy America and make it into a socialist paradise where the middle class struggles with the lower and upper classes and divide the country by making class warfare.

Israel has elected a hawk who has made himself ruler of the universe. The internal politics of Israel is no business of a nato-Arab lover.

:wank:

 

[wolvie20m]

oo...keep it above the belt.

 

[dilloduck]

Yes and John Kerry wanted to destroy America and make it into a socialist paradise where the middle class struggles with the lower and upper classes and divide the country by making class warfare.

Israel has elected a hawk who has made himself ruler of the universe. The internal politics of Israel is no business of a nato-Arab lover.

:wank:

If his tax money goes over there it sure IS his business !!

 

[NATO AIR]

Yes and John Kerry wanted to destroy America and make it into a socialist paradise where the middle class struggles with the lower and upper classes and divide the country by making class warfare.

Israel has elected a hawk who has made himself ruler of the universe. The internal politics of Israel is no business of a nato-Arab lover.

:wank:

AJ, you keep me in suspense waiting 15 days for a statement THAT profound? damn you continue to impress me

Israel has elected a hawk who's become a fearsome dove because he sees the reality of the situation on the ground and is trying to change it to save israel and give the palestinians a chance at a future so they won't spend a hopeless present trying to kill israelis.

and get it right, i'm a human lover.

 

[ajwps]

If his tax money goes over there it sure IS his business !!

Where is 'over-there?' What tax money are you talking about?

If loan guarantees are used to fight America's enemies and real tens of millions go to Arab countries that use that same tax money to send terrorists to blow up America, then you have wisely spent your money.

 

[ajwps]

AJ, you keep me in suspense waiting 15 days for a statement THAT profound? damn you continue to impress me

Israel has elected a hawk who's become a fearsome dove because he sees the reality of the situation on the ground and is trying to change it to save israel and give the palestinians a chance at a future so they won't spend a hopeless present trying to kill israelis.

and get it right, i'm a human lover.

You are truly a human lover but you can get AIDs when you make love along the chocolate highway.

Israel elected a hawk who has become as senile as Arafat. The Arabs have no intention to have a state of their own in another's country. Anyone who believes that lie has the intellect of an ant.

The reality on the ground is a bit more complex than changing Israel's topography in order to give the Arabs a chance to drive the Jews into the Mediterranian Sea.

Sharon's plan's to disengage from Gaza and the West Bank have been stopped this week. All the Jews living in the suburbs of Gaza and the West Bank have announced their conversion to Islam.

The United Nations immediately told Sharon that this would be a crime against humanity to move these new Muslims from their homes.

 

[dilloduck]

Where is 'over-there?' What tax money are you talking about?

If loan guarantees are used to fight America's enemies and real tens of millions go to Arab countries that use that same tax money to send terrorists to blow up America, then you have wisely spent your money.

Loan guarantees :rotflmao:

I'm talking about AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY !!!! How much money did the US give to Syria and Iran last year?

 

[ajwps]

Loan guarantees :rotflmao:

I'm talking about AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY !!!! How much money did the US give to Syria and Iran last year?

LOAN GUARANTEES

How much in loan guarantees did the US give to Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and other Arab governments last year?

NONE

How much taxpayer dollars went to these Arab dictatorships last year?

Tens of Millions

Israel is the only one that pays back the loan guarantees with interest.