Questions.....RE: The Greenhouse Effect

[jc456]

again, can't read your own quote eh? lazy?

I used the word twice in my quote. Can't differentiate? Stupid?

Well I asked you the original question and you said it was a mystery I give a shit about your deflection. And the smart guy you are can’t follow a straight line! Wow and your shit should matter why?

Well I asked you the original question and you said it was a mystery

It's a mystery why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Any other stupid, nonsensical questions you'd like to ask?
I'll be happy to explain basic physics so you can demonstrate your ignorance again.

It's a mystery why the corona is hotter than the surface.
I asked you why is it a mystery? and you didn't answer.

Why is a mystery a mystery? Hmmmmm....that's a mystery too.

Yes that's what i asked very good. sounds as if the science doesn't know. discussing it here is irrelevant then.

 

[jc456]

Still waiting for that observed measured evidence of spontaneous two way energy flow?

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

Do you have proof that back radiation exists? Nope!

Do you have any proof that matter above 0K doesn't radiate in all directions, constantly?

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

Because.....dimmer switch!

nature, like gravity

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

why is the surface cooler than the corona?

It's a mystery. Not as big a mystery as why SSDD thinks matter has a dimmer switch.

The latest hypothesis is Alfven waves...they propagate within the sun at speeds of around 200 kilometers per second and TRANSPORT large amounts of energy from the surface to the corona...science thinks that they provide enough energy to account for the temperature of the corona...what science doesn't, and never has thought is that energy was moving spontaneously from the surface to the hotter corona...only you seem to think that..and it appears that you think that because you are unable to apply the term spontaneous to energy movement in the context of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

The latest hypothesis is Alfven waves...they propagate within the sun at speeds of around 200 kilometers per second and TRANSPORT large amounts of energy from the surface to the corona..

Alfven waves cause the surface to emit photons?
Photons that somehow travel from cooler matter to warmer matter?
Sounds like your waves violate the 2nd Law.

what science doesn't, and never has thought is that energy was moving spontaneously from the surface to the hotter corona...

Interesting. How does science explain the photons from the surface?
Because, according to you, photons can't move toward matter warmer than the emitter.
If photons were prevented from leaving the surface, the Sun would appear dark, with the only photons
we could see produced by the corona. Is that the case?

Because, according to you, photons can't move toward matter warmer than the emitter.

I believe he stated without work. I'm just saying.

And I stated, "He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona"

Maybe you can help him out? LOL!

And I believe I stated that if there is work, there is heat. and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction. the CO2 molecules do not get warm. if they did, you could show us.

and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction.

There is plenty of heat in the atmosphere of the Sun.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I used the word twice in my quote. Can't differentiate? Stupid?

Well I asked you the original question and you said it was a mystery I give a shit about your deflection. And the smart guy you are can’t follow a straight line! Wow and your shit should matter why?

Well I asked you the original question and you said it was a mystery

It's a mystery why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Any other stupid, nonsensical questions you'd like to ask?
I'll be happy to explain basic physics so you can demonstrate your ignorance again.

It's a mystery why the corona is hotter than the surface.
I asked you why is it a mystery? and you didn't answer.

Why is a mystery a mystery? Hmmmmm....that's a mystery too.

Yes that's what i asked very good. sounds as if the science doesn't know. discussing it here is irrelevant then.

Tell SSDD, he keeps bring up that irrelevancy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

Do you have proof that back radiation exists? Nope!

Do you have any proof that matter above 0K doesn't radiate in all directions, constantly?

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

Because.....dimmer switch!

nature, like gravity

Nature has no dimmer switch.

 

[jc456]

The latest hypothesis is Alfven waves...they propagate within the sun at speeds of around 200 kilometers per second and TRANSPORT large amounts of energy from the surface to the corona...science thinks that they provide enough energy to account for the temperature of the corona...what science doesn't, and never has thought is that energy was moving spontaneously from the surface to the hotter corona...only you seem to think that..and it appears that you think that because you are unable to apply the term spontaneous to energy movement in the context of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

The latest hypothesis is Alfven waves...they propagate within the sun at speeds of around 200 kilometers per second and TRANSPORT large amounts of energy from the surface to the corona..

Alfven waves cause the surface to emit photons?
Photons that somehow travel from cooler matter to warmer matter?
Sounds like your waves violate the 2nd Law.

what science doesn't, and never has thought is that energy was moving spontaneously from the surface to the hotter corona...

Interesting. How does science explain the photons from the surface?
Because, according to you, photons can't move toward matter warmer than the emitter.
If photons were prevented from leaving the surface, the Sun would appear dark, with the only photons
we could see produced by the corona. Is that the case?

Because, according to you, photons can't move toward matter warmer than the emitter.

I believe he stated without work. I'm just saying.

And I stated, "He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona"

Maybe you can help him out? LOL!

And I believe I stated that if there is work, there is heat. and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction. the CO2 molecules do not get warm. if they did, you could show us.

and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction.

There is plenty of heat in the atmosphere of the Sun.

which science doesn't understand so it's irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[jc456]

Do you have proof that back radiation exists? Nope!

Do you have any proof that matter above 0K doesn't radiate in all directions, constantly?

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

Because.....dimmer switch!

nature, like gravity

Nature has no dimmer switch.

does gravity?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The latest hypothesis is Alfven waves...they propagate within the sun at speeds of around 200 kilometers per second and TRANSPORT large amounts of energy from the surface to the corona..

Alfven waves cause the surface to emit photons?
Photons that somehow travel from cooler matter to warmer matter?
Sounds like your waves violate the 2nd Law.

what science doesn't, and never has thought is that energy was moving spontaneously from the surface to the hotter corona...

Interesting. How does science explain the photons from the surface?
Because, according to you, photons can't move toward matter warmer than the emitter.
If photons were prevented from leaving the surface, the Sun would appear dark, with the only photons
we could see produced by the corona. Is that the case?

Because, according to you, photons can't move toward matter warmer than the emitter.

I believe he stated without work. I'm just saying.

And I stated, "He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona"

Maybe you can help him out? LOL!

And I believe I stated that if there is work, there is heat. and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction. the CO2 molecules do not get warm. if they did, you could show us.

and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction.

There is plenty of heat in the atmosphere of the Sun.

which science doesn't understand so it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Science does understand where the Sun's heat comes from.
It is relevant to the discussion of SSDD's confused misinterpretation of physics.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Do you have any proof that matter above 0K doesn't radiate in all directions, constantly?

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

Because.....dimmer switch!

nature, like gravity

Nature has no dimmer switch.

does gravity?

Gravity doesn't have a dimmer switch.

 

[jc456]

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

It radiates per the temperature of its surrounding.

Because.....dimmer switch!

nature, like gravity

Nature has no dimmer switch.

does gravity?

Gravity doesn't have a dimmer switch.

how do you know?

 

[jc456]

Because, according to you, photons can't move toward matter warmer than the emitter.

I believe he stated without work. I'm just saying.

And I stated, "He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona"

Maybe you can help him out? LOL!

And I believe I stated that if there is work, there is heat. and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction. the CO2 molecules do not get warm. if they did, you could show us.

and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction.

There is plenty of heat in the atmosphere of the Sun.

which science doesn't understand so it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Science does understand where the Sun's heat comes from.
It is relevant to the discussion of SSDD's confused misinterpretation of physics.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat, they don't know why the corona is hotter than the surface.

 

[IanC]

No. It always radiates in a relationship to its own temperature. The temperature then changes according to the net energy exchange with it's surroundings.

So you keep saying...except the physical evidence doesn't back you up...we can measure very small amounts of energy but don't seem to be able to measure energy moving spontaneously from cool to warm...Occam says that must mean that it just isn't happening.

CCDs detect radiation coming off objects cooler than the device.

Is this where you claim we are being fooled by instrumentation? Or that using a powered device is not spontaneous?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And I stated, "He's previously said that absorption and emission isn't work, but still refuses to say what work takes place on the Sun's surface which would allow "non-spontaneous" emission of radiation from the
cooler surface toward the hotter corona"

Maybe you can help him out? LOL!

And I believe I stated that if there is work, there is heat. and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction. the CO2 molecules do not get warm. if they did, you could show us.

and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction.

There is plenty of heat in the atmosphere of the Sun.

which science doesn't understand so it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Science does understand where the Sun's heat comes from.
It is relevant to the discussion of SSDD's confused misinterpretation of physics.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat, they don't know why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat,

Great. Explain it to SSDD so he can better understand his error.

 

[jc456]

And I believe I stated that if there is work, there is heat. and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction. the CO2 molecules do not get warm. if they did, you could show us.

and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction.

There is plenty of heat in the atmosphere of the Sun.

which science doesn't understand so it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Science does understand where the Sun's heat comes from.
It is relevant to the discussion of SSDD's confused misinterpretation of physics.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat, they don't know why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat,

Great. Explain it to SSDD so he can better understand his error.

why would I need to do that. again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface which you have conceded is a mystery. so I'm not sure how he's errored?

 

[IanC]

We are all waiting for you to cite research or an appeal to authority or anything to show that vibrating atoms near the surface of a material would stop black body radiation because of an external warmer temperature.

The fact that spontaneously two way energy flow between cool objects and warm objects (despite our ability to measure very small amounts of energy) has never been observed or measured is pretty convincing evidence that it doesn't happen...got any actual observed measured evidence that contradicts every observation and measurement ever made? Didn't think so.

Heat causes the charges in materials to move. Moving charges near the surface must radiate independently of any outside conditions. This has been observed, tested and measured time and time again for over 100 years. Your one way energy flow with smart photons totally violates those experiments. You have no explanation for your smart photons.

provide a link to that observed document that shows that.

A stark example that involves work rather than heat is an electric turbine. The electricity moves the rotor, or moving the rotor produces electricity. While this uses virtual photons with an added property of force, the mechanism for creating photons is similar.

I'm sorry, but i don't see how this correlates to work and heat with regard to CO2 absorbing and emitting?

No, I'm sure you don't.

Wuwei stated that the production of radiation can only be stopped by ceasing the movement of atoms in the object. That can only happen at absolute zero Kelvin.

Therefore radiation is being produced. There is a net exchange of zero energy if they are both at the same temperature but the radiation is still being produced.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

and there is no heat in the atmosphere accept for any convection or conduction.

There is plenty of heat in the atmosphere of the Sun.

which science doesn't understand so it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Science does understand where the Sun's heat comes from.
It is relevant to the discussion of SSDD's confused misinterpretation of physics.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat, they don't know why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat,

Great. Explain it to SSDD so he can better understand his error.

why would I need to do that. again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface which you have conceded is a mystery. so I'm not sure how he's errored?

why would I need to do that.

To help your buddy?

again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface

Nope. The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter....except...oops.....the Sun.

 

[jc456]

The fact that spontaneously two way energy flow between cool objects and warm objects (despite our ability to measure very small amounts of energy) has never been observed or measured is pretty convincing evidence that it doesn't happen...got any actual observed measured evidence that contradicts every observation and measurement ever made? Didn't think so.

Heat causes the charges in materials to move. Moving charges near the surface must radiate independently of any outside conditions. This has been observed, tested and measured time and time again for over 100 years. Your one way energy flow with smart photons totally violates those experiments. You have no explanation for your smart photons.

provide a link to that observed document that shows that.

A stark example that involves work rather than heat is an electric turbine. The electricity moves the rotor, or moving the rotor produces electricity. While this uses virtual photons with an added property of force, the mechanism for creating photons is similar.

I'm sorry, but i don't see how this correlates to work and heat with regard to CO2 absorbing and emitting?

No, I'm sure you don't.

Wuwei stated that the production of radiation can only be stopped by ceasing the movement of atoms in the object. That can only happen at absolute zero Kelvin.

Therefore radiation is being produced. There is a net exchange of zero energy if they are both at the same temperature but the radiation is still being produced.

until you can show that two objects sitting at equal temperature in a room at that same temperature radiates, you have nothing. show us that observation.

 

[jc456]

which science doesn't understand so it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Science does understand where the Sun's heat comes from.
It is relevant to the discussion of SSDD's confused misinterpretation of physics.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat, they don't know why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat,

Great. Explain it to SSDD so he can better understand his error.

why would I need to do that. again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface which you have conceded is a mystery. so I'm not sure how he's errored?

why would I need to do that.

To help your buddy?

again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface

Nope. The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter....except...oops.....the Sun.

To help your buddy?

he doesn't need anything from me.

Nope. The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter

exactly, until you can show it does we're all good.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Science does understand where the Sun's heat comes from.
It is relevant to the discussion of SSDD's confused misinterpretation of physics.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat, they don't know why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat,

Great. Explain it to SSDD so he can better understand his error.

why would I need to do that. again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface which you have conceded is a mystery. so I'm not sure how he's errored?

why would I need to do that.

To help your buddy?

again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface

Nope. The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter....except...oops.....the Sun.

To help your buddy?

he doesn't need anything from me.

Nope. The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter

exactly, until you can show it does we're all good.

The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter​

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exactly, until you can show it does we're all good.​

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I showed you.​

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You can even see for yourself, most days.​

 

[jc456]

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat, they don't know why the corona is hotter than the surface.

Science knows what the emitter is and how it generates heat,

Great. Explain it to SSDD so he can better understand his error.

why would I need to do that. again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface which you have conceded is a mystery. so I'm not sure how he's errored?

why would I need to do that.

To help your buddy?

again, the issue is why the corona is hotter than the surface

Nope. The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter....except...oops.....the Sun.

To help your buddy?

he doesn't need anything from me.

Nope. The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter

exactly, until you can show it does we're all good.

The issue is why cooler matter can't emit toward hotter matter

exactly, until you can show it does we're all good.

I showed you.



You can even see for yourself, most days.​

that doesn't show anything other than a picture of the sun. you said it was a mystery, so you have no idea what that is. BTW looks like there is an explosion.