Questions for Tea Partiers

[IndependntLogic]

Can they really be THAT clueless? Is it physically possible?

Wow! You little girls are really scared sh1tless of a few questions!

How cute. I guess you girls can all congratulate yourselves on your pretty little pink tea party dresses and do what is predictible of you:
Dodge the issues.
Insult anyone with the audacity (love using that word with you girls) to ask you about the issues.
Change the subject.
Cut & Run.

But if you want to see how a man handles a direct question, just ask me anything. Be happy to show you how it's done. Then maybe you girls can man up a little.

Oh great, an independent, a moderate AND a misogynist. What a winning combination.

Ah! The Tea Whackjob's (Yes, there are Liberal Whackjobs too) version of the Race Card! So let's see... Hmmm. On this very board, I've mentioned that I think the GOP is making a mistake by not going after Kay Bailey Hutchinson as a candidate. You know, the WOMAN from Texas.
So it's not that I have a problem with stupid, it's that you're playing the race card... er... gender card. Congrats! You're last elections' Obama supporters! At least you have some people you can share something in common with! Isn't that nice!

 

[California Girl]

The TEA Parties have a wide variety of opinions.... much like democrats or republicans. Shocking, I know

 

[Bigfoot]

I gave some thought to answering your list of questions but after the immature and biased way to which many were presented I decided that it wasn't worth my time to bother with.

 

[IndependntLogic]

The TEA Parties have a wide variety of opinions.... much like democrats or republicans. Shocking, I know

Not surprising at all but since it's new, it's harder to get an idea of what is farily consistent. Look at this thread for example. 10 TP replies. 9 of them are bullsh1t dodges, petty insults and weakling crap. ONE of them is a man who says "Here is what we are about".
So if you found out the majority of the TP members, in addition to fiscal responsibility, were also for achieving that through higher taxes, would you still be a member? I would bet not. What if any time you asked them whether or not that was the case, they replied by saying "Oh. So you're a liberal mysogynist statist!"

Whereas Liberals are not AFRAID to address the issues.
Abortion?
Unions?
Gun Control?
Seperation of church and state?
Taxes?

I don't even have to ask to know where most Liberals will stand on these issues.
Ask a Liberal about Unions? "They are important and protect workers!" etc...
I disagree with them but at least they don't reply with some BS like "You must be a Conservative for asking!". They have more balls, when it comes to their positions. Hell, I can even tease them and joke around and they don't sh1t their collective pants over it! Gotta admire that.

How much credibility would the TP have with you then? Welcome to what anyone who is not already a card carrying member, experiences when they ask the TPers about issues...

 

[IndependntLogic]

I gave some thought to answering your list of questions but after the immature and biased way to which many were presented I decided that it wasn't worth my time to bother with.

I get it. Even if I point out that some of it is tongue in cheek, you guys are so scared and defensive, you do what is predicted:

Dodge the issues
Insult anyone with the audacity to ask you about the issues
Change the subject
Cut & Run

 

[rightwinger]

What a fruitful thread so far

The OP asks some thoughtful questions and asks honest opinions

Are Tea Partier's that incapable of honest discussion?

 

[Bigfoot]

No, you don't "get it". If you did you would have presented your list of questions in an adult manner instead of this Internet drama fashion.

 

[Jackson]

I moved to Nevada from Houston a while back. Houston is great. It is also mostly Conservative. Not Conservative like I see today but more like Reagan / Bush era Conservative. I liked that.
So when we got here, a new friend invited me to one of these Tea Party meetings. It was actually a Tea Party in that they served tea but it might have been accurately called a Tea Soda & Beer Party. It was nice and seemed as social as political. Lots of people who knew each other and hated Obama - whom they all seemed to actually believe is both Kenyan and Muslim.
My friend asked what I thought afterward (he was obviously in recruiting mode) and I ended up on this and two other boards.
So I'd like to get some clarification from Tea Partiers as there seems to be a lot of conflicting or even self-contradictng posts.
1. One poster claims the ONLY thing the TP is concerned about is the budget. I don't find this credible. What say you?
2. Lots of you claim you want to return to a Constitutional government. The problem I have is that you all seem to believe that only your interpretation of the Constitution is the right one. Ex: I asked about owning a machine gun, RPG or Nuke under the 2nd Amendment. Three TP's who agreed with each other all responded. They gave three different responses and reasons why. Then they all claimed the USC never needs to be interpreted. Connect those dots..
3. Do you believe Obama is a Kenyan? Muslim? Really?
4. Would you overturn Roe v Wade?
5. Would you close all our foreign military bases? Most? Some? None? THis is an area you guys seem pretty diverse on.
6. The list a government agencies you would eliminate is also quite varied. EPA? CIA? USDA? FAA? I don't find any of those UnConstitutional and although I know there is waste and inefficiency, would keep them all. I can explain my reasoning and if you disagree, guess what? That doesn't mean you're "an ignorant statists libtard socialist!" or whatever. But I'm curious as to how extensive a list you have.
7. So. Can I go get my Rocket Propelled Grenade launcher now? They had cannons back in the FF's day! How about mounting a .50 cal on my upstairs porch overlooking the street? My own personal nuke?
8. Health Care. Hmm. I think ObamaCare sucks balls. What would you do about healtch care for the poor? Anything? Nothing? Soylent Green?
9. Gay Marriage. Will it make you gay? Do you not care?
10. Gays in Military. Will our troops become sissies?
11. Taxes. Flat tax? Fair tax? Thumb tax?
12. Do you think Michelle Bachmann was correct when she said the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to abolish slavery?
13. Do you think Sarah Palin is unfairly attacked by the Media?
14. Do you think FOX is too liberal? Fair and unbiased? Has a Conservative agenda?
15. Do you think any of our problems are in part, the fault of Bush?
16. How about that water-boarding!
17. Was the debt ceiling thing all the Dems fault?
18. Do you think Job Creators like Big Oil and MNE's should get special tax breaks or subsidies that other companies do not? Why?
19. Is America a Christian Nation? What does that mean?
20. How about PAC and lobbyist contributions? Keep em secret?

These are some of the things where you guys seem to have more diversity of views. I've seen TP's who have as much disdain for Bush as Obama - well almost. There are TP's who don't care what gays do or where. Others want to send them to camps to get cured by God. It's all over the place.
So you can just go with Yes or No but I came here to learn about you guys and so far, I've found out I'm a Liberal because I don't think carrying an M-4 into my local pub is a good idea. LOTS of tongue in cheek here folks - btw, if you guys didn't get so instantly pissed off at everyone who disagreed with you, you would get much more attentive ears. Have a little humor!

Independent, I believe your well thought out post deserves an answer and although I haven't read all of the answers, I would agree with the one that answered, "fiscal sanity." Although there are many issues that are the hearts of every voter , I believe the crisis that hits every American is the economy. We have to deal with our first priority and that financial malfeseance gave birth to the Tea Party.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The TEA Parties have a wide variety of opinions.... much like democrats or republicans. Shocking, I know

But, I'm an Independent and I need FDA approved responses in order to form an opinion!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh, let me make it simple and understandable for the Independents and Moderates. I tune right out at the very mention of certain key phrases, for example: ManMade Global Warming, Fossil Fuels, Obama's a Moderate, "I'm an Independent"

 

[WillowTree]

Yet another stellar post from willow... wow.

it's true though, he claims to be an independent thinker after he posts 20 questions that include all liberalorrhoidal talking points. who the hell does he think he's kidding? you obviously.

 

[WillowTree]

Part of the reason I'm here is to find out. Like I said originally, it's hard for outsiders to get a handle on you guys.
Think about it. Full Auto says the one thing is fiscal responsibility. I'm totally behind you guys on that.
Being what you call a "Liberal", I also believe unions have way too much power and many of them abuse it. I think Christians get an unfair shake. I'm a gun owner. I'm a business owner and thenk the employee tax is a double dip scam. There is a lot of common ground.

It is the overt hostility toward anyone who doesn't agree with you guys on every single issue evey single time, that concerns me. You are a rather prime example of it in this very thread.
Why so threatened by some Yes & No questions?

So while I think there is a lot of merit to the main message, there is also much whackjobbery to be found. Just like with Liberals or anyone else. At least with Liberals, I can say "What do you think about owning machine guns or RPGs?" And they will give me a straight forward answer. They're against it. They don't feel there's anything in the USC that supports it. I've ask TPs the same question and guess what happened? You need only look at your first response to this thread find out.

 

[WillowTree]

I gave some thought to answering your list of questions but after the immature and biased way to which many were presented I decided that it wasn't worth my time to bother with.

Now here is an independent thinker.

 

[California Girl]

The TEA Parties have a wide variety of opinions.... much like democrats or republicans. Shocking, I know

Not surprising at all but since it's new, it's harder to get an idea of what is farily consistent. Look at this thread for example. 10 TP replies. 9 of them are bullsh1t dodges, petty insults and weakling crap. ONE of them is a man who says "Here is what we are about".
So if you found out the majority of the TP members, in addition to fiscal responsibility, were also for achieving that through higher taxes, would you still be a member? I would bet not. What if any time you asked them whether or not that was the case, they replied by saying "Oh. So you're a liberal mysogynist statist!"

Whereas Liberals are not AFRAID to address the issues.
Abortion?
Unions?
Gun Control?
Seperation of church and state?
Taxes?

I don't even have to ask to know where most Liberals will stand on these issues.
Ask a Liberal about Unions? "They are important and protect workers!" etc...
I disagree with them but at least they don't reply with some BS like "You must be a Conservative for asking!". They have more balls, when it comes to their positions. Hell, I can even tease them and joke around and they don't sh1t their collective pants over it! Gotta admire that.

How much credibility would the TP have with you then? Welcome to what anyone who is not already a card carrying member, experiences when they ask the TPers about issues...

The following is the official 10 points that the TP required to support a candidate in 2010. Perhaps it will help you.

1. Protect the Constitution
2. Reject Cap & Trade
3. Demand a Balanced Budget
4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform
5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government
6. End Runaway Government Spending
7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care
8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy
9. Stop the Pork
10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Contract FROM America

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Where is it written that anyone has to appeal to Independents?

Politicians pretend they give a crap, because they have to. But for us on a political message board to have to pretend to explain things to these airheads is just a waste of electrons

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's a whiny little missive that goes, "Pay attention to me because I don't have an opinion!"

 

[IndependntLogic]

The TEA Parties have a wide variety of opinions.... much like democrats or republicans. Shocking, I know

Not surprising at all but since it's new, it's harder to get an idea of what is farily consistent. Look at this thread for example. 10 TP replies. 9 of them are bullsh1t dodges, petty insults and weakling crap. ONE of them is a man who says "Here is what we are about".
So if you found out the majority of the TP members, in addition to fiscal responsibility, were also for achieving that through higher taxes, would you still be a member? I would bet not. What if any time you asked them whether or not that was the case, they replied by saying "Oh. So you're a liberal mysogynist statist!"

Whereas Liberals are not AFRAID to address the issues.
Abortion?
Unions?
Gun Control?
Seperation of church and state?
Taxes?

I don't even have to ask to know where most Liberals will stand on these issues.
Ask a Liberal about Unions? "They are important and protect workers!" etc...
I disagree with them but at least they don't reply with some BS like "You must be a Conservative for asking!". They have more balls, when it comes to their positions. Hell, I can even tease them and joke around and they don't sh1t their collective pants over it! Gotta admire that.

How much credibility would the TP have with you then? Welcome to what anyone who is not already a card carrying member, experiences when they ask the TPers about issues...

The following is the official 10 points that the TP required to support a candidate in 2010. Perhaps it will help you.

1. Protect the Constitution
2. Reject Cap & Trade
3. Demand a Balanced Budget
4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform
5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government
6. End Runaway Government Spending
7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care
8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy
9. Stop the Pork
10. Stop the Tax Hikes
Contract FROM America

Okay. That sounds fine. Let's see where we agree:
1. This is a non-position. Obviously, you don't mean the document itself. So what I would guess you mean is your interpretation of it. This is an area that I have a problem with. It's like people trying to ram Islam down my throat. I've already got my own religion thanks.
2. Okay.
3. Great! But how specifially? Everyone says this but details seem elusive.
4. How?
5. Seems like a restate of 1 & 3
6. restate of 3
7. Obamacare sucks big time. I would be all for a repeal (That's proof that willow is right about me being a Liberal).
8. What's that?
9. restate of 3 again
10. Which ones? You mean letting the Bush rates expire or others, as well.

If nothing else, kudos for being someone who can provide at least a few issues. I would be just fine with points 2,3,4, 5, 6, 7, 9. Dont know about 1, 8 or 10 because of details.

So because I've agreed at least in spirit, with you on 7 of 10 points, you may rest assured, the whackjobs will label me a "Liberal" (or already have without knowing my positions on issues).

 

[IndependntLogic]

It's a whiny little missive that goes, "Pay attention to me because I don't have an opinion!"

Hmmm. You posted 5+ times here and haven't stated an opinion an a single issue. Must be referring to yourself.
Whereas, I've put forth my opinion on the issues discussed with me. Maybe someday when you grow a pair, you'll be able to do the same!

 

[IndependntLogic]

Yet another stellar post from willow... wow.

it's true though, he claims to be an independent thinker after he posts 20 questions that include all liberalorrhoidal talking points. who the hell does he think he's kidding? you obviously.

So sorry. Didn't mean to make obvious your cowardice. You just keep doing the only things you know how to:

Dodge
Insult anyone with the audacity to ask you about issues.
Change the subject
Cut & Run.

Poor baby. Get picked on a lot in high school didja? Didn't exactly come out summa? It's okay. At least you have a nice cat.

Here. Tell ya what. You just let me know which of these issues are "Liberal":

Spending
Abortion
Military presence and spending
Defense of Marriage v Gay Rights
Gun control
water-boarding
Tax subsidies and breaks
PAC & Lobbyist influence on government

So only the Liberals are concerned with those things? Danm! Well then screw the TP, I want someone in charge who at least considers these legitimate political issues!

You may now continue dodging, insulting, changing the subject or just Cut & Run

 

[hortysir]

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