Zone1 Question for Christians.

Stop telling me what I believe--because what you think I believe is NOT what I believe. When you do this your discussion is not with me, but in your head with an imaginary someone.
Then do me the courtesy of not telling me what I believe.
My understanding comes from detailed talks with friends and family members. They all agree most Catholic Sacraments are unnecessary; missing church on Sunday is no big deal; Catholics give too much attention to Mary and the Saints; too much guilt and so on. Their understanding of indulgences and Galileo...so far out in left field, it's in the parking lot. In fact, there is no clear understanding of almost anything Catholics do or why they do it.
And when I talk with you, I find a lot of ignorance about what non-Catholics believe, an almost deliberate misstating of what they believe that allows you to minimize or ignore it.
Then there seems to be this holy need for some (definitely not all) non-Catholic Christian Protestant ministers and laity to try to tear down, mock--to the point of spreading lies--about the Catholic faith.
And I see a similar desire from the Catholic posters on this board. Indeed, your earlier post contains your own opinion that your Catholic faith is rich while others are poor. It's sad that you would insult others like that.
The minute one has to tear down another faith to give another faith credibility one has lost the argument.
Such as proclaiming your faith to be rich while that of others are poor?
When one has to find excuses for why one doesn't do something, the argument is lost. I am Catholic because it is scriptural;
And other denominations are as well.
it upholds traditions;
I am well aware of that. Unfortunately, it also seems unable to revisit those traditions. Once one is set, it is followed for eternity, thus placing it out of God's reach to change if He wants us to do something different.
it makes first the value of participating in the Mass weekly;
We place value on gathering with other believers as well, because we're admonished to not neglect it. You find comfort and strength by going to Mass regularly, good. Those who do not gather with other believers often find themselves in a bind spiritually, unable to resist temptation and falling into depression and spiritual oppression because they are weakened. There are valid reasons to step aside for a season, but it is not to be routine.
humbling oneself to confess sins (faults and wrong-doings);
We do that as well, especially in a small group setting where believers trust each other and can be vulnerable.
valuing members who have passed on;
We do as well. We do not need to pray for them because they are already in the presence of Christ, nor do we ask them to pray for us because they have other things they are attending to.
working out salvation (a gift given to us) through love of God and neighbor.
We express our faith and salvation through our works. We do not, as you continue to insinuate, believe such works do anything to finish the work He began in us, a work He, not we, promised to complete.
Recognizing we owe God everything and He deserves first place instead of some excuse for not gathering for worship, celebrating the life, death, resurrection, salvation of/by Christ.
Of course, we owe Him everything because He did everything for us. We are called then to love others as He loved us.
Don't feel you have to do any of this. Some people seem to find all this a burden and become discouraged. Others (Catholics) find strength, blessings, and grace--freedom. In other words, no burden, no discouragement for Christ's yoke is easy, the burden light.
Not just Catholics. Stop acting like you have it figured out while everyone else is floundering around in the dark. Many find comfort in routine and tradition, even in rote prayers, and to the extent such things help them to throw off the things of the world and focus on Him, they are valuabel. That does not in any way destroy the value of a relationship with Christ that is built on trust, love and obedience outside tradition.
 
The reason Catholics don't attack protestant dogma is because we are secure in our beliefs.
 
Then do me the courtesy of not telling me what I believe.
I have not once told you what you believe. I tend to keep the word "you" out of my posts because I don't know who you are or what you believe. All I have been doing is explaining why Catholics believe as they do. The rest of your post isn't worth my time. It's clueless. And you continue to tell me about myself, and haven't gotten one thing correct yet.
 
See, you are doing to us what you accuse us

You seem to believe that non-Catholics don't think that way at all

you should not so denigrate non-Catholic faith

And therein lies your contempt for non-Catholic believers

You claim that, yet right here in this post you denigrate their faith as being "poorer" than yours.
All wrong. I don't know who you are talking to in your head, but it isn't me.

I'll discuss anything that doesn't include someone telling ME of all people what I AM DOING and WHAT I BELIEVE.

If you wish to discuss a topic I'm all in. If you want to discuss your imaginary me, I'm not interested.
 
My challenge for you is to stop viewing Catholicism as superior to other faiths, because it's not. Accept that other believers have faith just as rich as yours is and that the name on the door doesn't disqualify them.
And you skip right past all the statements and posts I've made where I've said I do NOT see Catholicism as superior. Why do this?
 
American Christians got bedazzled by human garbage
 
Or this was a referendum on the Democrat's vision for the future. Maybe look at the exit polling.
Maybe look what Christianity is supposed to stand for.
 
Maybe look what Christianity is supposed to stand for.
You have no use for Christianity until you do. Hypocritical much?

You do realize free will allows us to choose between being moral and not being moral, right?
 
You have no use for Christianity until you do. Hypocritical much?

You do realize free will allows us to choose between being moral and not being moral, right?
I never had any use for Christians. And they proved me right.
 
No one can deny that Christian leaders have taken a larger role in politics over the last several years. Whether that is a good or bad thing covers a wide range of subjects and is not what this thread is about. I just have one question that can be better answered by someone who at least has a working knowledge of the Bible

Prophets in the Bible are generally highly revered. For those that believe in the God of the Bible, receiving direct specific knowledge from God deserves respect. However, even back then, it was known that unscrupulous people might claim God told them something when he didn't. That's why anyone claiming to have a prophecy was held to a high and severe standard. Giving false prophecy that didn't actually occur was grounds for death. Falsely claiming authority of God's knowledge was not tolerated. Obviously, today, we don't kill false prophets, but is there anything in the Bible that says false prophecy should be taken lightly? If a prominent religious leader claims God told him something, and it doesn't happen as claimed, should he maintain his standing in the Christian community?
The Bible warned of false prophets and those that would mislead them. When asked how you would know who the real prophets are would be because of their works. The true religion would be identified as those that had love among themselves.
 
Maybe look what Christianity is supposed to stand for.

they are a product of their own making ...

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and have been from the beginning through the ages by the construction of the christian bible and where that document leads them - being in fact what those people do stand for.
 
I never had any use for Christians. And they proved me right.
Because they didn't vote the way you wanted? How about the Democrat Christians that did? Are they good people?
 
Because they didn't vote the way you wanted? How about the Democrat Christians that did? Are they good people?
I don't have any use for Dem. Christians either.
 
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