question about bo bergdahl for american veterans

[whitehall]

Liberals take note: in the greatest Country in the world the Military is run by the civilian government. If you don't have to be a Veteran to run the freaking Country why would Veterans be offended about civilian criticism of a single Soldier?

 

[dadsgm]

I served 27 years in the Army and have some pretty strong feelings about this soldier and his actions.

First, his actions basically fall under Article 85 of the UCMJ. Whether or not his actions meet the full extent of actions will depend upon his 'intent' both before, during and after his absence. The Article 32 Investigation (Grand Jury Investigation) is now on-going and will determine the extent of the charges brought against him. If found guilty/convicted of being a traitor he is eligible for the death penalty. Lessor charges will gain him varying sentences anywhere for life in prison to being charged with AWOL the least offensive charge.


Personally I believe he should be put away and the key to his cell lost.

 

[whitehall]

I expect that some ignorant segment of American culture think (hopes?) that Military Veterans are some sort of closed society like democrats and they protect their own no matter what the evidence reveals. As usual the left misunderstands the issue and the fact that (real) Veterans are the most critical of Bergdahl's conduct and it's liberal democrats who want to protect Bergdahl because of their loyalty the corrupt administration.

 

[Ravi]

If he left his post, I'll use my Dads time in Korea as an example.

During that war, there were men called "Rocks". Their job was to guard the soldiers day and night. If one fell asleep, he was executed w/o a court martial


Imagine if he deserted and men slipped past his post to kill our troops.
Now imagine him getting sent to another post where he can set up the same event.

I smell bs

RO(c)K's as in Republic of Korea is military slang for members of the Republic of Korea Armed Forces.

I have no doubt that the ROK Military Commanders summarily executed anyone found derelict of duty during wartime.

mkay. He made it sound like they were Americans.

 

[BlackSand]

Bo Who ... ?
Yeah this story disappeared ... I wonder if Bo is still alive.

As a veteran I think there is a 50/50 chance the military can determine the facts in the matter.
It doesn't matter what other people think ... And Bob Hope rocked!

 

[SFC Ollie]

Bergdahl has been released as fit for duty, he may now be questioned.....I await impatiently.

 

[regent]

Why does this matter so much to so many? Bergdahl is one guy out of millions and he's home now. True, it was costly exchange, but America did the right thing, and if it comes down to one GI or the nation doing the right thing I'm glad it was America, but I'll wait for the movie.

 

[whitehall]

I served in the USMC for a couple of years so I guess I am qualified to voice an opinion according to the rules set by the left on this subject. I have never seen a case where an AWOL member of the Military was offered a freaking "desk job" while the Military investigates his case after the initial investigation concluded he was a deserter. WTF is going on in the US Army?

 

[regent]

I served in the USMC for a couple of years so I guess I am qualified to voice an opinion according to the rules set by the left on this subject. I have never seen a case where an AWOL member of the Military was offered a freaking "desk job" while the Military investigates his case after the initial investigation concluded he was a deserter. WTF is going on in the US Army?

During WWII all the military branches had deserters the army, navy and marine corps. Of the thousands charged with desertion only one was executed and he was army.
Has Bergdahal been charged with any crime as yet? I mean charged by the military not posters on the boards or in the media.

 

[whitehall]

I served in the USMC for a couple of years so I guess I am qualified to voice an opinion according to the rules set by the left on this subject. I have never seen a case where an AWOL member of the Military was offered a freaking "desk job" while the Military investigates his case after the initial investigation concluded he was a deserter. WTF is going on in the US Army?

During WWII all the military branches had deserters the army, navy and marine corps. Of the thousands charged with desertion only one was executed and he was army.
Has Bergdahal been charged with any crime as yet? I mean charged by the military not posters on the boards or in the media.

The Marines had an AWOL during the Iraq conflict and immediately classified him as a deserter. Upon arrest he was taken to the Marine Brig. Ample evidence indicates that Bergdahl deserted his command. An initial investigation concluded he was a deserter. Common sense and the UCMJ would dictate that Bergdahl would be confined pending a court martial.

 

[regent]

I served in the USMC for a couple of years so I guess I am qualified to voice an opinion according to the rules set by the left on this subject. I have never seen a case where an AWOL member of the Military was offered a freaking "desk job" while the Military investigates his case after the initial investigation concluded he was a deserter. WTF is going on in the US Army?

During WWII all the military branches had deserters the army, navy and marine corps. Of the thousands charged with desertion only one was executed and he was army.
Has Bergdahal been charged with any crime as yet? I mean charged by the military not posters on the boards or in the media.

The Marines had an AWOL during the Iraq conflict and immediately classified him as a deserter. Upon arrest he was taken to the Marine Brig. Ample evidence indicates that Bergdahl deserted his command. An initial investigation concluded he was a deserter. Common sense and the UCMJ would dictate that Bergdahl would be confined pending a court martial.

Ample evidence, initial investigation, taken to the brig, and common sense are not formal charges of desertion.
It sounds like Bergdahl has not been charged as yet, and may never be. With all this publicity the military might find it harder and harder to file charges much less conduct a court martial. Perhaps the army is waiting to see how the public reacts to the whole thing. If the stores begin selling little Bergdahl doll-soldiers it's all over, and some medals will be soon forthcoming.

 

[Mushroom]

I expect that some ignorant segment of American culture think (hopes?) that Military Veterans are some sort of closed society like democrats and they protect their own no matter what the evidence reveals. As usual the left misunderstands the issue and the fact that (real) Veterans are the most critical of Bergdahl's conduct and it's liberal democrats who want to protect Bergdahl because of their loyalty the corrupt administration.

Actually, I am not really critical of his conduct for some very real reasons.

I do not believe that the entire truth of this matter has come out.

First, as for the original investigation. I have seen how these command investigations are often conducted. They are generally more interested in shifting blame from the command then in really establishing the facts and truth.

And point in fact, I point to the case of Lance Corporal Jason Rother, of Kilo 3-2. His unit went to 29 Palms in August 1988, and he was left behind when his unit left the field and returned to camp.

The original investigation was conducted by the command, and passed up to HQMC, and it placed all the blame on 2 NCOs. The Commandant basically took one look at it, called "BS", and demanded it be redone, as there was no way he could accept that a Marine had been left in the desert to die, and not a single officer was responsible.

A new investigation was conducted, the Commanding Officer and Executive Officer were relieved and forced into retirement, and the Platoon Commander was court martialed for dereliction of duty.

So at this time, let's just say I do not have full faith in the investigation. I am not saying it is wrong, nor am I saying it is right. Now that he is back, I think it can be done right however.

As for any statements taken or photos released, so what? The Code of Conduct is just that, a code. And somebody held like he was, with his life constantly in danger is supposed to do or say anything they can do ensure their survival. The CoC is not a suicide pact, and it is primarily designed to operate when the prisoner is being held by a nation that upholds the Geneva Convention.

His captors did none of that.

I hold him no more in scorn then I do those from Vietnam who made similar statements. Or those from Korea who confessed to committing war crimes. He did his duty as far as I can see, he gave nothing of vital importance to the enemy, and he survived.

 

[Mushroom]

I served in the USMC for a couple of years so I guess I am qualified to voice an opinion according to the rules set by the left on this subject. I have never seen a case where an AWOL member of the Military was offered a freaking "desk job" while the Military investigates his case after the initial investigation concluded he was a deserter. WTF is going on in the US Army?

Were you in during the 1980's?

Look back at my previous comment on the LCpl Rother investigation. And yes, I remember it very well because in 1988 I had just returned form my first tour on Okinawa, and was in Fox 2-2, just one H building away from 3-2.

The original investigation for LCpl Rother also suggested he had deserted, and he was actually entered into the law enforcement databases as a deserter. No officers were charged with his being left behind in the first investigation, but 2 NCOs were charged, with failure to keep accountability of him. Only a second more thorough investigation ordered by General Grey revealed the truth.

And interestingly enough, about 2 years later my OIC went to The Basic School with the Platoon Leader, and said he was a rock when he knew him. So he was not surprised when it was revealed he had had several DUIs and his release from the Corps was already pending.

I want to see a much more thorough investigation done now, to find out what really happened. The original may indeed be correct, or it may be a bag of blivets. But either way I can't see how it could possibly continue to stand as "the truth", now that the individual in question is back and can now be questioned.