Putin's red-line : don't allow Ukraine to fall in western hands and then get fortified by the west.

[Siberian]

That all depends on what you consider as a nation. I bet you can't give a coherent answer.

in this case a very simple definition, Ukrainians are a sub-ethnos of one Russian super-ethnos

 

[ESay]

lol, stop humiliating Ukraine, Esay already admitted he knows Ukraine is just an object of others' game, he just wants to find someone to feed Ukraine for free in exchange of ruling Ukraine.

Ukrainians are just spoiled by humane treatment and equial rights of Ukrainians in USSR.
These idiots still can't comprehend that if they are a subject of Western colonial rule they are food, not feeded ones

I will not be surprised if you have to explain it toEsay more than twice...
Right, Esay?

I don't want anyone to feed Ukraine for free, you idiot. On the contrary, not once have I said that all those Western credits and grants don't make sense without reforming Ukraine into a sustainable state.

 

[ESay]

in this case a very simple definition, Ukrainians are a sub-ethnos of one Russian super-ethnos

Yeah, that is what I said. You can't give a coherent answer.

 

[Siberian]

I don't want anyone to feed Ukraine for free, you idiot. On the contrary, not once have I said that all those Western credits and grants don't make sense without reforming Ukraine into a sustainable state.

not for free?
do you think an anti-Russian position costs so muh to feed you?
what else do you have except females for export?
who else except Russia wants you and any of your products at all?

 

[ESay]

not for free?
do you think an anti-Russian position costs so muh to feed you?
what else do you have except females for export?
who else except Russia wants you and any of your products at all?

There is an official organizantion that is called Ukrstat. You can find this information on their website. I hope you aren't banned there.

 

[Siberian]

There is an official organizantion that is called Ukrstat. You can find this information on their website. I hope you aren't banned there.

does statiscics agency cover Ukraine's resolve to be a cannon meat when US decides to start a war against Russia?
there is nothing esle in which you are of any value to the US

 

[ESay]

does statiscics agency cover Ukraine's resolve to be a cannon meat when US decides to start a war against Russia?
there is nothing esle in which you are of any value to the US

There won't be a war against your shit country. So, get out of your basement and stop hiding from your local voenkom.

 

[Siberian]

There won't be a war against your shit country. So, get out of your basement and stop hiding from your local voenkom.

some people say that a Ukrainian is a stupid Russian, but I would rather use a word inadequate..

 

[Silver Cat]

some people say that a Ukrainian is a stupid Russian, but I would rather use a word inadequate..

Well, some people would say, that Russians are inadequate Europeans.

 

[Silver Cat]

Who said anything about fortifications? Patton once said:
"This is a first-class case of man's monument to stupidity! on encountering the Maginot line, 1944"

If you are talking about the stationing of troops in those countries, it reduces travel time which the Russians don't have to be concerned with.

Do you think, that the USA shouldn't have been concerned about the flight time of the Soviet missiles in Cuba, too?

 

[Silver Cat]

There won't be a war against your shit country. So, get out of your basement and stop hiding from your local voenkom.

Actually, there is a war against Russia. (At least from their own point of view). Ukrainian Nazies murdering Russian civilians in Donbass is pretty close to their understanding of the term 'war'.

 

[ESay]

some people say that a Ukrainian is a stupid Russian, but I would rather use a word inadequate..

Won't even argue about that. Considering Russian expertise in stupidity and inadequacy being based on their own experience.

 

[Siberian]

Well, some people would say, that Russians are inadequate Europeans.

Europeans are the past, a dying, self-destrictive civilization.

as for edequacy- their self-influcted energy crisis is absolutely wonderful

 

[Siberian]

Won't even argue about that. Considering Russian expertise in stupidity and inadequacy being based on their own experience.

Tell me Esay, did you support Maidan of 2014?
are you satisfied with results?

 

[ESay]

Tell me Esay, did you support Maidan of 2014?
are you satisfied with results?

Yes, I supported the Maidan. And no, I don't satisfied. Because there hasn't been any real reforms yet. Mostly imitation.

 

[Siberian]

Yes, I supported the Maidan. And no, I don't satisfied. Because there hasn't been any real reforms yet. Mostly imitation.

and how many maidans did you have totally, before the last one?
and you call Ukrainians not stupid?
absolute, clinical idiots..

 

[ESay]

and how many maidans did you have totally, before the last one?
and you call Ukrainians not stupid?
absolute, clinical idiots..

One.
Btw, your president called the Ukrainians and Russians 'the same people'. So, talks about clinical idiots put you in an awkward position.

 

[Siberian]

One.
Btw, your president called the Ukrainians and Russians 'the same people'. So, talks about clinical idiots put you in an awkward position.

maidans every 4 years, or more often.
and another one coning soon, again, against the president who fooled you, right?

 

[ESay]

maidans every 4 years, or more often.
and another one coning soon, again, against the president who fooled you, right?

There have been two maidans in the last 30 years. That means every 4 years? Yeah, you are right about clinical idiots.

 

[Turtlesoup]

and we will, as democrats, republicans and other political flavors that rule NATO according to the will of their peoples,
not be giving in to Communism, the Russians, or the Muslims for that matter. Like them, we will defend our right to live according to our own laws, in our own jurisdictions.

but achieving that needs to focus on diplomacy in international debate in circles ranging from very large to private rooms, and on intelligence gathering, followed by always-plenty-sufficient but never overwhelming arms production and stockpiling, and the avoiding of employing more offensive capable military personnel than is necessary to fully achieve and maintain MAD[1] capabilities, to prevent conventional wars between superpower rivals (of which there have been far too many already throughout the histories, and each was in it's day to day details rather ugly. i think we can all agree on *that*).

you do this to convince trustworthy adversaries' leaders that *you* can be trusted,
and to untrustworthy adversaries as a whole country or group of countries to convince *their* smarter people that you're not an actual threat to them. an untrustworthy adversary is going to have a lot harder time ramping up the total powers of their armies if their populations to not feel a need for such expenditure and risk for pre-emptive pruning attack.

[1] Mutually Assured Destruction : nuclear arms, chemical and biological weaponry, cyber weaponry on a national scale, and quite possible in other 'specialisms found in the military professions'.

We need to pull out of nato and let you Europeans pay for and clean up your own messes...