Putin Agrees To Trump’s Peace Plan, Squashing Media’s ‘Puppet’ Narrative

[Zavulon]

i see the issue, but it seems that this choice did not work out. If Zelenski makes ukraine an unfriendly place for ethnic russians, mabye you can get some nice immigration of ethnic russians into russia. Hell, even if NOT, if Russia is better, then maybe that could be, or should be the optiont to pursure.

We prefer to make Banderlogs to go to Canada and Argentina. After all, they are minority. Influencial (because of NATO support), but minority.

If that were true, I would expect to be seeing better results for russia on the battlefield. The meatgrinder that we have been seeing, seems to be what one would expect, if both sides were a complete exhausted mess.

Definitely, Russia isn't exhausted in any meaningful sense. We are just warming up.

"necessary" is a strong word. Nations can live with unpleasant or unwanted situations.

But, sometimes, not for long. If the USA, back in 1962, agreed with deployment of Soviet missiles on Cuba, the USA would cease its existence at March of 1963. If Ukraine is in NATO, and/or NATO is in Ukraine - large war won't be latter than 2030, and with much lesser chances of survival.

Putin is now presented with a big split in NATO, with Trump wanting peace and the europeans wanting endless war. If Putin gives Trump a big win, that encourages the split, and TRump is the less involvement guy.

I'd take this crap with a grain of salt. It looks like as a poorly coordinated game "bad cop, good cop".

If Putin undermines Trump, if Trump goes away, the US falls back into line with the... status quo anti-Russian... position and that would not be good for Russia.

No problem. All bad eggs in one basket. All what we have to do - is to drop the whole basket in the incinerator.

Right now the USA have the great opportunity - to get out of our way with minimal losses. Tomorrow they'll lose more.

 

[Donald H]

Why did we go into Afghanistan, Donald?

Do you want the real reason or do you want the excuse?

Think up an excuse for going into Iraq that works for all of America's 40 wars of aggression since the end of WW2.

How about? We did it for jesus!

 

[Correll]

We prefer to make Banderlogs to go to Canada and Argentina. After all, they are minority. Influencial (because of NATO support), but minority.

You tried. It didn't work out. Rational people accept failure and try to learn from it.

Definitely, Russia isn't exhausted in any meaningful sense. We are just warming up.

Again, the results on the ground, do not show that.

But, sometimes, not for long. If the USA, back in 1962, agreed with deployment of Soviet missiles on Cuba, the USA would cease its existence at March of 1963. If Ukraine is in NATO, and/or NATO is in Ukraine - large war won't be latter than 2030, and with much lesser chances of survival.

Maybe. If Trump was president and russia was NOT in a war in the ukraine, he would be making much more pleasant deals with Russia. And imo, there is a good change VANCE will be president come 2030, the way the dems are continuing to fail.

I'd take this crap with a grain of salt. It looks like as a poorly coordinated game "bad cop, good cop".

Blind skepticism is just as blind as blind faith. Trump and maga has no desire for further conflict with Russia. Once, this conflict is over, America has a long history of getting over conflicts quickly.

No problem. All bad eggs in one basket. All what we have to do - is to drop the whole basket in the incinerator.

Again, the meatgrinder in ukraine, does not support your confidence.

Right now the USA have the great opportunity - to get out of our way with minimal losses. Tomorrow they'll lose more.

Getting out is our goal. If Putin is willing to cut a reasonable deal.

 

[Zavulon]

You tried. It didn't work out. Rational people accept failure and try to learn from it.

It is not over until its over. Ukraine is already running out of people (more or less loyal to Kievan regime). In a year or two, Russia will take the rest of Ukraine (as well as significant part of EU) without terrible devastations.

Again, the results on the ground, do not show that.

Results are more "in the ground". Just watch the growing size of Ukrainian Military Cemeteries (say nothing about nonburied bodies).

Maybe. If Trump was president and russia was NOT in a war in the ukraine, he would be making much more pleasant deals with Russia. And imo, there is a good change VANCE will be president come 2030, the way the dems are continuing to fail.

I really don't care about personalities, may be because I don't see significant difference between Vance, Trump, Biden and Obama (while I do understand that Americans see the difference). Most of American politicians are just talking heads, and simply change their position more often than they change their suits.

Blind skepticism is just as blind as blind faith. Trump and maga has no desire for further conflict with Russia. Once, this conflict is over, America has a long history of getting over conflicts quickly.

I don't care about their desires. If they don't want to fight against Russia - they are free to simply f#ck off now, without playing stupid games.

Again, the meatgrinder in ukraine, does not support your confidence.

Or, its not "meatgrinder", not yet. Its just gentle slapping of unruly slut.

Getting out is our goal. If Putin is willing to cut a reasonable deal.

Ok. The terms of reasonable deal were quite simple and reasonable back in 2021 - you are rolling back your military infrastructure back to 1997 borders and end your militarisation of Europe. Now, the terms are worse for you. But, they are still reasonable - no American cities burned down, no American territories annexed.

 

[Zavulon]

Blind skepticism is just as blind as blind faith. Trump and maga has no desire for further conflict with Russia. Once, this conflict is over, America has a long history of getting over conflicts quickly.

And, even if we are talking about personalities - Trump isn't a "strong leader" (whatever you mean). He didn't sign rare-earth deal with Ukraine, he resumed weapon and intelligence supply for Kievan regime. If England and France can cum right into his face, Russia definitely can do it, too.

 

[luiza]

If England and France can cum right into his face, Russia definitely can do it, too.

A bit strong , old bean .
Trumpfy knows better than us that both Macaroon and Queer Harmer are simply low level Control Opposition .
Fill -in parts for Act Three .

I cannot imagine that Pooters takes anything those two literal Perverts say seriously .

In case you are unaware , Queer Harmer remains a Closet Gay and Macaroon has a something around 25 years older who started off one way and then switched .
,
Similar to Bummer and husband Michael .

The nearer you get to Top Management the more extreme the perversions .

 

[Zavulon]

A bit strong , old bean .
Trumpfy knows better than us that both Macaroon and Queer Harmer are simply low level Control Opposition .
Fill -in parts for Act Three .

I cannot imagine that Pooters takes anything those two literal Perverts say seriously .

In case you are unaware , Queer Harmer remains a Closet Gay and Macaroon has a something around 25 years older who started off one way and then switched .
,
Similar to Bummer and husband Michael .

The nearer you get to Top Management the more extreme the perversions .

I don't care about their perversions or even personalities. What is important, is that they had bended Trump into Europe-prefered behaviour. He didn't sign rare-earth deal, he resumed supply of Ukraine with weapons and information. In practical terms it means that Russia has no reason to sign any deal with him. Tomorrow somebody else will force him to change his position, too.

 

[luiza]

I don't care about their perversions or even personalities. What is important, is that they had bended Trump into Europe-prefered behaviour. He didn't sign rare-earth deal, he resumed supply of Ukraine with weapons and information. In practical terms it means that Russia has no reason to sign any deal with him. Tomorrow somebody else will force him to change his position, too.

I will give you one "way- out "possibility , but only to have right at the back of your mind .
Supposing that it has been fixed that no successful nuclear misile launch can be made anywhere on the planet .
I will leave you to speculate how that might have come about ,
But , suffice to say, it would likely be the most publicly guarded secret of all beyond all other Above Top Secret matters .

Then , in a situation like that ,Russia is and will be able to take decisions and employ tactics which have never been used ever before . Because Russia will know that any threatened American nuclear missile threat , for example , is only that . A threat, but an empty one .

I see it as an interesting speculation but it is thought to be the case in certain quarters .

I suspect that the only way to judge such an amazing proposition is After The Event . Or , as the case may be -- after the Non - Event .

That is , to look for decision making that could not possibly have occurred if Moscow , for example , did not believe 100% that it had indisputable evidence that such an "end-of-twig" belief was correct .
I assume quite senibly that only complete fools really think either Trump or Putin are crazed individuals .

Anyhow , it is believed such a test incident was contrived by Pooters et al and that the missile blew up before it could exit the silo .

Crazy ?
Probably , but strange things happen increasingly these days .

Which is a long way round of saying that only Moscow can dictate terms because it holds every key card . And the more so , if it also knows that nuclear threats are literally hot air if Push really came to Shove

 

[Correll]

It is not over until its over. Ukraine is already running out of people (more or less loyal to Kievan regime). In a year or two, Russia will take the rest of Ukraine (as well as significant part of EU) without terrible devastations.

Russia has already lost more than it could afford to. That is a done deal. Even if ukaine collapsed tomorrow, that would not change.

Results are more "in the ground". Just watch the growing size of Ukrainian Military Cemeteries (say nothing about nonburied bodies).

My point stands. The slow gaining of ground with heavy losses, is not a sign of russia doing well.

I really don't care about personalities, may be because I don't see significant difference between Vance, Trump, Biden and Obama (while I do understand that Americans see the difference). Most of American politicians are just talking heads, and simply change their position more often than they change their suits.

The policy differences are real. Trump is aiming for peace. Biden was happy to just bleed russia forever.

Ignoring the difference is not rational.

I don't care about their desires. If they don't want to fight against Russia - they are free to simply f#ck off now, without playing stupid games.

Now you are talking like the dems. LIke a child without any historical knowledge. Tht is not how wars end.

Or, its not "meatgrinder", not yet. Its just gentle slapping of unruly slut.

If you would have conquered ukraine in under a year, that kind of talk would be justified. Now? Not.

Ok. The terms of reasonable deal were quite simple and reasonable back in 2021 - you are rolling back your military infrastructure back to 1997 borders and end your militarisation of Europe. Now, the terms are worse for you. But, they are still reasonable - no American cities burned down, no American territories annexed.

That is not acceptable to us. Try again.

 

[Correll]

And, even if we are talking about personalities - Trump isn't a "strong leader" (whatever you mean). He didn't sign rare-earth deal with Ukraine, he resumed weapon and intelligence supply for Kievan regime. If England and France can cum right into his face, Russia definitely can do it, too.

Zelenski is following our lead on the peace deal now. That is the important part.

That is Trump getting his way. Putin is the one holding out now.

 

[luiza]

Zelenski is following our lead on the peace deal now. That is the important part.

That is Trump getting his way. Putin is the one holding out now.

Wake up old chap .
Trump has no negotiating strength and is simply blowing hot air

The only question is how much further might Moscow advance , and though banishing the Midget with nothing , what minor concessions might Pooters later give to Trumpfy for other and longer term considerations ?

I have a feeling you need to change your Info sources .
They smell badly of total MSN Fake .

 

[Correll]

Wake up old chap .
Trump has no negotiating strength and is simply blowing hot air

Trump cut off aid, and Zelenski caved.

Now, putin is the one dragging his feet and he can. And as long as he does, russia will bleed. That is leverage.

 

[luiza]

Trump cut off aid, and Zelenski caved.

Now, putin is the one dragging his feet and he can. And as long as he does, russia will bleed. That is leverage.

You are again factually incorrect .
Russia has/is mobilising up to 1,500,000 troops .
To cover all eventualities .
The only nations who are leveraged are the US and EU plus Team GB .
They have shortages in every department now .
Russia has prepared for this inevitable war for more than a decade.

It might prefer a solution, but because of next war considerations versus Israel and the US . However , its present position versus others is infinitely stronger with a better military and far superior weapons .

At worst Russia knows it has some bad scratches but the others are haemorrhaging .
And their economies are tanking .
QED

 

[Correll]

You are again factually incorrect .
Russia has/is mobilising up to 1,500,000 troops .
To cover all eventualities .
The only nations who are leveraged are the US and EU plus Team GB .
They have shortages in every department now .
Russia has prepared for this inevitable war for more than a decade.

It might prefer a solution, but because of next war considerations versus Israel and the US . However , its present position versus others is infinitely stronger with a better military and far superior weapons .

At worst Russia knows it has some bad scratches but the others are haemorrhaging .
And their economies are tanking .
QED

Then no problem. We will just continue, you can do what you want, the europreans get what they want, and we just wait and see what happens.

Hell, even zelenski gets what he wanted, ie for the war to continue.

 

[Man With A Plan]

You are again factually incorrect .
Russia has/is mobilising up to 1,500,000 troops .
To cover all eventualities .
The only nations who are leveraged are the US and EU plus Team GB .
They have shortages in every department now .
Russia has prepared for this inevitable war for more than a decade.

It might prefer a solution, but because of next war considerations versus Israel and the US . However , its present position versus others is infinitely stronger with a better military and far superior weapons .

At worst Russia knows it has some bad scratches but the others are haemorrhaging .
And their economies are tanking .
QED

Putin can mobilize a million troops but they will be poorly trained conscripts that will suffer heavy casualties. His state of the art tanks have been shown to be very beatable and now he's lost so many they are using older models. North Korea won't be sending any more troops to help because the ones they sent before got slaughtered. This entire conflict has been embarrassing for Putin. The strength of his military has been exposed badly. He thought he'd roll through Ukraine in a matter of weeks with few losses. Instead it's 3 years later and Russian losses have been many. He'll reach a cease fire deal because he can't keep losing Russians at the rate he's losing them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Putin Agrees To Trump’s Peace Plan, Squashing Media’s ‘Puppet’ Narrative​

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On Thursday Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed tentative support for U.S. President Donald Trump’s proposal for a 30-day ceasefire in Ukraine. This comes amid ongoing negotiations aimed at resolving the conflict that has persisted since Russia’s invasion in 2022. During a news conference...

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13 Mar 2025 ~~ By Chris Powell

On Thursday Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed tentative support for U.S. President Donald Trump’s proposal for a 30-day ceasefire in Ukraine. This comes amid ongoing negotiations aimed at resolving the conflict that has persisted since Russia’s invasion in 2022.
During a news conference at the Kremlin alongside Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, Putin acknowledged Russia’s agreement “in principle” to the U.S.-proposed ceasefire. However, he stressed the necessity of addressing the “root causes” of the crisis to ensure a lasting peace.
Putin stated that several details need to be sorted out before finalizing the ceasefire agreement. “The idea [of a ceasefire] itself is correct and we are certainly supporting it, but there are issues that need to be discussed,” he said, according to an NBC translation.
“I think that we need to talk to our American colleagues and partners. Maybe call President Trump and discuss it together.”
“But we support the very idea of ending this conflict through peaceful means.” Putin added that any deal must “proceed from the fact that this cessation should be such that it would lead to long-term peace and eliminate the root causes of this crisis.”
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On Tuesday, Zelenskyy agreed to a U.S.-proposed 30-day ceasefire with Russia, aiming to halt the ongoing conflict that began in 2022. The decision followed extensive discussions between U.S. and Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia. In response, the United States resumed military aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine.
President Trump, who has been vocal about his intentions to broker peace in the region, expressed his optimism regarding Russia’s response to the ceasefire proposal. Following discussions with NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Trump conveyed his hope that Russia would “do the right thing” in response to the ceasefire initiative.
Reuters reported that Trump described Putin’s statement as “very promising” but “not complete.” He also expressed willingness to speak with the Russian president to secure a ceasefire.

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Zelenskyy addressed the 30-day ceasefire plan on Telegram, stating, “Ukraine accepts this proposal, we consider it positive, we are ready to take this step. The United States of America needs to convince Russia to do so.”
“We agree, and if the Russians agree, the silence will take effect at that very moment,” he continued. “An important element in today’s discussions is America’s readiness to restore defense assistance to Ukraine and intelligence support.”
“Ukraine is ready for peace,” Zelenskyy wrote. “Russia must also show whether it is ready to end the war — or continue it. The time has come for the whole truth. I thank everyone who helps Ukraine.”


Commentary:
The Quisling Media hates Trump. They’ll blame him no matter what occurs. If there’s peace, they’ll say he gave too much away, if there’s war they’ll say it was his fault. Surely you know how the press functions by now, right?
He did not agree to an immediate unconditional ceasefire.
The terms of the peace deal have yet to be discussed. We know what Putin’s terms are. He’s told us over and over. However, it's a first step in the long journey toward peace for Europe..
Russia will delay and try to capture Kursk. This war needs to end....
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Trump envoy Witkoff to meet Putin tonight amid Ukraine ceasefire push

A top Kremlin adviser says the sit-down will “take place in a closed format this evening.”

www.politico.eu

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BREAKING: Russian President Putin Accepts US-Ukraine Ceasefire Plan — But With Specific Conditions | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran

In a surprising turn, President Putin has accepted a US-Ukraine ceasefire plan, contingent upon specific conditions. This development raises critical questions about the future of peace negotiations and regional stability.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Did you actually READ IT?

"Putin acknowledged Russia’s agreement “in principle” to the U.S.-proposed ceasefire. However, he stressed the necessity of addressing the “root causes” of the crisis to ensure a lasting peace."

"Route causes".... being..... what?

Hmm... The Ukraine being free as an independent country to choose its allies. It will be forced to do what Putin wants, it won't be able to be in the EU, won't be able to be in NATO so will always been under the threat of another invasion unless it becomes pro-Russian.

Also, as Putin has literally annexed various parts of the Ukraine, he'll demand that these parts "remain" a part of Russia.

So, Putin gets EVERYTHING HE WANTS.

And you think this isn't Trump being Putin's puppet?

 

[Correll]

Did you actually READ IT?

"Putin acknowledged Russia’s agreement “in principle” to the U.S.-proposed ceasefire. However, he stressed the necessity of addressing the “root causes” of the crisis to ensure a lasting peace."

"Route causes".... being..... what?

Hmm... The Ukraine being free as an independent country to choose its allies. It will be forced to do what Putin wants, it won't be able to be in the EU, won't be able to be in NATO so will always been under the threat of another invasion unless it becomes pro-Russian.

Also, as Putin has literally annexed various parts of the Ukraine, he'll demand that these parts "remain" a part of Russia.

So, Putin gets EVERYTHING HE WANTS.

And you think this isn't Trump being Putin's puppet?

Interesting the way you jump from Putin wanting it to puting getting it.

 

[rightwinger]

Did you actually READ IT?

"Putin acknowledged Russia’s agreement “in principle” to the U.S.-proposed ceasefire. However, he stressed the necessity of addressing the “root causes” of the crisis to ensure a lasting peace."

"Route causes".... being..... what?

Hmm... The Ukraine being free as an independent country to choose its allies. It will be forced to do what Putin wants, it won't be able to be in the EU, won't be able to be in NATO so will always been under the threat of another invasion unless it becomes pro-Russian.

Also, as Putin has literally annexed various parts of the Ukraine, he'll demand that these parts "remain" a part of Russia.

So, Putin gets EVERYTHING HE WANTS.

And you think this isn't Trump being Putin's puppet?

What Putin wants

Posession of all captured territory
Cessation of arms shipments to Ukraine
No NATO membership or presence
Zelensky out of power
End of sanctions

In other words, total victory

 

[Correll]

What Putin wants

Posession of all captured territory
Cessation of arms shipments to Ukraine
No NATO membership or presence
Zelensky out of power
End of sanctions

In other words, total victory

Are you pretending to not understand how negotiations work? And if so, why?

 

[Zavulon]

Russia has already lost more than it could afford to. That is a done deal. Even if ukaine collapsed tomorrow, that would not change.

There is rather popular Russian motto "We can repeat [WWII]". It basically means that Russian society see even 40 million losses as what we can afford.

My point stands. The slow gaining of ground with heavy losses, is not a sign of russia doing well.

But from the Russian point of view, its not about "gaining the ground". Its about denazification, demilitarization and neutral status of Ukraine. And right now Russia is doing quite well.

The policy differences are real. Trump is aiming for peace. Biden was happy to just bleed russia forever.

Ignoring the difference is not rational.

Ignoring empty rhetoric is rational.

Now you are talking like the dems. LIke a child without any historical knowledge. Tht is not how wars end.

There are two basic possibilities of ending this war - Russian flag over almost undamaged Kiev or Russian flag over radioactive ruins of Washington.

If you would have conquered ukraine in under a year, that kind of talk would be justified. Now? Not.

Now, its even more justified. Most of ideologically motivated Ukrainians are already killed. Other are working for money and fear. Defund them, open borders and the survived Ukrainians will be quite pro-Russian.

That is not acceptable to us. Try again.

Nobody cares what is "acceptable" for you. The world owes you nothing. The only question is what is lesser evil for the USA:
1) Leave Ukraine as you left South Vietnam;
2) Fight a nuclear war against Russia (with minimal chances of victory).