Putin Agrees To Trump’s Peace Plan, Squashing Media’s ‘Puppet’ Narrative

[Hollie]

Of course, Trump only has leverage thanks to the Biden Administration and the coalition he put together to help Ukraine.

There was no Biden "coalition". You stole that nonsense from The View, right?

As expected, the Eurocrats presumed the Great Satan would fight their war for them.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Since Russia's inception (if we count it as 862), countries that now make up NATO, had fought more than thirty major wars against Russia, and uncountable number of smaller peripheral conflicts.

Again...since NATO's inception...how many times has NATO attacked either the USSR or Russia?

It's a simple question to answer because it's ZERO! How many times since the USSR's inception until this day has your country invaded neighbors?

 

[rightwinger]

Plus equal rights to local Russians, including the right to leave Ukraine.


May be he is not dumb enough to fight the war, he can't win.

Actually, Putin has proven he can’t win
He can hold on to existing territory at the cost of hundreds of thousands of deaths
He has lost ships, tanks, helicopters, jets that he can no longer replace.

Peace is in his best interests
But not where he gets everything and Ukraine gets nothing

 

[Hollie]

Actually, Putin has proven he can’t win
He can hold on to existing territory at the cost of hundreds of thousands of deaths
He has lost ships, tanks, helicopters, jets that he can no longer replace.

Peace is in his best interests
But not where he gets everything and Ukraine gets nothing

“Peace is in his best interests”. You’re a “Putin puppet”, a Russia, Russia, Russia asset.

 

[Edgetho]

We are not in the land-grabbing business. We are in the Nazi killing business. And the business is going well. There is no reason to bite more than you can chew. And chewing, say, region with twenty million population with, say, 10% of them actively anti-Russian, which makes 2 mln potential terrorists might be a messy thing. We are not going to repeat you Iraqi mistake - killing "dictator" without elimination of his Army and assimilation of his people. And when there is an opportunity to kill them in the open field, without significant collateral damage and without killing innocent civilians - it is better to use it.

Denazification, demilitarization and neutral status. Those are our modest and reasonable goals.

This is where you became a propagandist.

Stalin signed a Treaty with Hitler in 1939 called the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact. It was the beginning of WW2.

The gasoline running through the Panzers in the streets of Paris was Russian gasoline. Stalin and Russia loved Hitler and the National Socialists, So much so that Stalin had a nervous breakdown when Hitler did what socialists specialize in doing -- Back-Stabbed his ally, Stalin.

'Nazis' are your friends. Fellow travelers. socialist brothers. If Hitler hadn't back-stabbed Stalin, Stalin would have back-stabbed Hitler.

It's what socialists do.

 

[rightwinger]

“Peace is in his best interests”. You’re a “Putin puppet”, a Russia, Russia, Russia asset.

By invading Ukraine, Putin got into a situation he can’t get out of.
Ukraine has proven to be a formidable foe.
He can continue to deploy troops in hostile territory at great cost.

An amicable peace is in his best interests

 

[Hollie]

By invading Ukraine, Putin got into a situation he can’t get out of.
Ukraine has proven to be a formidable foe.
He can continue to deploy troops in hostile territory at great cost.

An amicable peace is in his best interests

Your leftoid comrades see any peace attempt as some vast conspiracy theory designed by Trump as a “Putin puppet”.

 

[Zavulon]

Again...since NATO's inception...how many times has NATO attacked either the USSR or Russia?

NATO is neither sovereign state nor independent player. It's just a new anti-Russian alliance of the old enemies of Russia.

It's a simple question to answer because it's ZERO!

Actually, its not really zero, if we are counting proxy-wars.

How many times since the USSR's inception until this day has your country invaded neighbors?

Russia didn't fought any aggressive war in last thousand years, including, of course, USSR period (only self-defense). And the USA (and other NATO members) have been invading other countries many times.

 

[Zavulon]

Actually, Putin has proven he can’t win

He can win, and he actually winning.

He can hold on to existing territory at the cost of hundreds of thousands of deaths
He has lost ships, tanks, helicopters, jets that he can no longer replace.

We build more weapons than we lose. And, what is more important, we liberated more people than we lost.

Peace is in his best interests
But not where he gets everything and Ukraine gets nothing

Who said, that Ukraine will get nothing? Ukrainian people will get security guarantees, including denazification, demilitarization and neutral status, and even the most Russophobic scum will get pretty generous gift from Russia - 3.7 grams of lead each.
Its quite something I belive.

 

[Zavulon]

This is where you became a propagandist.

Stalin signed a Treaty with Hitler in 1939 called the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact.

If it was signed by Stalin and Hitler, why would they call it Molotov-Ribbentrop?

It was the beginning of WW2.

Or, more likely, it was Hitler-Chamberlain pact and destruction of the European system of collective defense.

The gasoline running through the Panzers in the streets of Paris was Russian gasoline.

Or, may be, it was American gasoline. Anyway, Germany was re-industrialised mostly on American money.

Stalin and Russia loved Hitler and the National Socialists, So much so that Stalin had a nervous breakdown when Hitler did what socialists specialize in doing -- Back-Stabbed his ally, Stalin.

Oh my.... You are not very educated, are you?

'Nazis' are your friends. Fellow travelers. socialist brothers. If Hitler hadn't back-stabbed Stalin, Stalin would have back-stabbed Hitler.

Don't you see any internal contradictons in the "logic" of this statement?

It's what socialists do.

As if capitalists, feodals, slave-owners or hunter-gatherers don't do it.

 

[Man With A Plan]

NATO is neither sovereign state nor independent player. It's just a new anti-Russian alliance of the old enemies of Russia.

Actually, its not really zero, if we are counting proxy-wars.


Russia didn't fought any aggressive war in last thousand years, including, of course, USSR period (only self-defense). And the USA (and other NATO members) have been invading other countries many times.

You're not much of a propagandist, Z. I'm a European History major. What you claim is laughably false.

 

[Zavulon]

You're not much of a propagandist, Z.

I'm not a propagandist at all.

I'm a European History major. What you claim is laughably false.

Really? Ok. To prove me wrong, just name even one undoubtedly aggressive war, started by Russia since 1025.

 

[Correll]

As well as Russia has no interest in Alaska. It is in the wish-list, but we are not going to pay more than 1 mln killed.


It is not a war, it is a special military operation in the basically friendly environment.


Right now Russia has more soldiers, more equipment and more lands than 3 years ago. And in those 3 years the USA lost 300k men, women and children from fentanyl OD.


No. Russia is winning this war. Every killed Banderlog increase safety of Russian people.

Russia can't afford to lose the men they are losing. They would be in trouble if they took ZERO losses in this war. The population crash that is a problem for all of us, is even more of a problem for Russia.

If Ukraine completely collapsed tommorrow, Russia is unlikely to ever be seen as strong as it was thought to be, before this war, again.


This war was a huge mistake for Russia. Putin is looking to save face at this point.

 

[Man With A Plan]

I'm not a propagandist at all.


Really? Ok. To prove me wrong, just name even one undoubtedly aggressive war, started by Russia since 1025.

Against Afghanistan?

 

[Donald H]

Against Afghanistan?

personally I would give you that one if you were able to see America's war against Afghanistan as a war of aggression too?

 

[Man With A Plan]

personally I would give you that one if you were able to see America's war against Afghanistan as a war of aggression too?

Why did we go into Afghanistan, Donald?

 

[Zavulon]

Russia can't afford to lose the men they are losing. They would be in trouble if they took ZERO losses in this war. The population crash that is a problem for all of us, is even more of a problem for Russia.

Thats another reason why Russia can't afford to lose twenty million Russians still living under control of Kievan regime.

If Ukraine completely collapsed tommorrow, Russia is unlikely to ever be seen as strong as it was thought to be, before this war, again.

Its not about "to be seen", its about "to be". And even now Russia is much stronger than it was back in 2021. After the fall of Ukraine Russia will be even stronger.

This war was a huge mistake for Russia. Putin is looking to save face at this point.

Of course no. The very fact of the NATO countries involvement clearly demonstrated that it was necessary to do. Putin (and not only him) is looking for victory.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Thats another reason why Russia can't afford to lose twenty million Russians still living under control of Kievan regime.


Its not about "to be seen", its about "to be". And even now Russia is much stronger than it was back in 2021. After the fall of Ukraine Russia will be even stronger.

Of course no. The very fact of the NATO countries involvement clearly demonstrated that it was necessary to do. Putin (and not only him) is looking for victory.

Is "victory" the defeat of a people who aren't Russian...don't want to BE Russian and will never forget what it is that Putin has done to their country? There is no victory for Vladimir Putin in Ukraine. The weakness of his military has been exposed. Russians see how he's wasted the lives of Russian soldiers. That isn't something that makes Putin stronger and when you're a dictator showing weakness is the first step to being overthrown.

 

[Zavulon]

Is "victory" the defeat of a people who aren't Russian...don't want to BE Russian and will never forget what it is that Putin has done to their country?

Some of them don't want to be Russians, its ok. There are almost twenty thousand "elves" in Russia (people who identify themselves that way). Its ok until they start to kill Russians. And no, they'll forget, as Germans forgot what happened with them during their previous Drung nach Osten.

There is no victory for Vladimir Putin in Ukraine.

Of course there are.

The weakness of his military has been exposed. Russians see how he's wasted the lives of Russian soldiers. That isn't something that makes Putin stronger and when you're a dictator showing weakness is the first step to being overthrown.

Bla-bla-bla. That's why he is not going to show weakness, and thats why he prefer to show strength. You know, something like this:

 

[Correll]

Thats another reason why Russia can't afford to lose twenty million Russians still living under control of Kievan regime.

i see the issue, but it seems that this choice did not work out. If Zelenski makes ukraine an unfriendly place for ethnic russians, mabye you can get some nice immigration of ethnic russians into russia. Hell, even if NOT, if Russia is better, then maybe that could be, or should be the optiont to pursure.

Its not about "to be seen", its about "to be". And even now Russia is much stronger than it was back in 2021. After the fall of Ukraine Russia will be even stronger.

If that were true, I would expect to be seeing better results for russia on the battlefield. The meatgrinder that we have been seeing, seems to be what one would expect, if both sides were a complete exhausted mess.

Of course no. The very fact of the NATO countries involvement clearly demonstrated that it was necessary to do. Putin (and not only him) is looking for victory.

"necessary" is a strong word. Nations can live with unpleasant or unwanted situations.

Putin is now presented with a big split in NATO, with Trump wanting peace and the europeans wanting endless war. If Putin gives Trump a big win, that encourages the split, and TRump is the less involvement guy.

If Putin undermines Trump, if Trump goes away, the US falls back into line with the... status quo anti-Russian... position and that would not be good for Russia.