Putin Agrees To Trump’s Peace Plan, Squashing Media’s ‘Puppet’ Narrative

[rightwinger]

Are you pretending to not understand how negotiations work? And if so, why?

Negotiations work by finding a middle ground.
Putin is unwilling to concede anything

Trump is more concerned about getting a Nobel Prize for negotiating peace.

He will threaten Zelensky and give Putin whatever he wants just so he gets some type of peace

 

[frigidweirdo]

What Putin wants

Posession of all captured territory
Cessation of arms shipments to Ukraine
No NATO membership or presence
Zelensky out of power
End of sanctions

In other words, total victory

Yep. And Trump will give it to him just to say "look, I did something".

 

[Correll]

There is rather popular Russian motto "We can repeat [WWII]". It basically means that Russian society see even 40 million losses as what we can afford.

That's nonsense. In the 1940s, the russian women were having large families to replace the losses. Today, your popultion is crashing, worse than ours.

You have already lost more than you could afford. THe policy of war in the ukraine, is already a failure. Russia is in a position of cutting losses and saving face.

But from the Russian point of view, its not about "gaining the ground". Its about denazification, demilitarization and neutral status of Ukraine. And right now Russia is doing quite well.

My point was a counter point to your claim of russia's military being in good shape.

Your attempt to lose the point is denied. Russia is not doing well and we can see that.

Ignoring empty rhetoric is rational.

Ignoring real differences in policy is not rational. You making a counter point that is not actually a counter point, is just empty rhetoric. ie shit talk. Doesn't change anything.

There are two basic possibilities of ending this war - Russian flag over almost undamaged Kiev or Russian flag over radioactive ruins of Washington.

That is silly talk. There are clearly other options.

And, if you and Putin insists on continuing to fight, that is fine. We tried then. You can keep gaining ground in inches at the cost of irreplaceable russian men.

Now, its even more justified. Most of ideologically motivated Ukrainians are already killed. Other are working for money and fear. Defund them, open borders and the survived Ukrainians will be quite pro-Russian.

Stonewalling doesn't change the facts on the ground, that we can all see.

Nobody cares what is "acceptable" for you. The world owes you nothing. The only question is what is lesser evil for the USA:
1) Leave Ukraine as you left South Vietnam;
2) Fight a nuclear war against Russia (with minimal chances of victory).

I care what is acceptable to me. Trump cares what is acceptable to me, as a representative of maga and America.

That will drive our policy in this. It is not about the world "caring" or "owing", it is about the fact that we have the leverge to get what we want.


It is unfortunate that we ended up in this situation. But the ending of it, is going to be on our terms. We are prepared to be reasonable.

When you are ready to cut a deal, we can cut a deal. Until then, you get to have your way, ie endless war.

 

[Zavulon]

Are you pretending to not understand how negotiations work? And if so, why?

Sometimes negotiations works that way:

 

[Correll]

Negotiations work by finding a middle ground.

Correct. So, just listing Putin's wants, while ignoring the leverage on him, is dumb.

Putin is unwilling to concede anything

Putin is bleeding men and money every day. He might be "unwilling" to concede anything. but the pressure on him to concede is huge and growing every day.

Trump is more concerned about getting a Nobel Prize for negotiating peace.

LOL. unlikely. Trump is fine. He has plenty of time. Putin is the one bleeding, not Trump. Trump can let this simmer for years, if putin holds firm.

He will threaten Zelensky and give Putin whatever he wants just so he gets some type of peace

That is a dumb thing for you to say. When it doesn't happen, people will notice, and you will have lost even more crediblity than you already have.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Putin Agrees To Trump’s Peace Plan, Squashing Media’s ‘Puppet’ Narrative​

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On Thursday Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed tentative support for U.S. President Donald Trump’s proposal for a 30-day ceasefire in Ukraine. This comes amid ongoing negotiations aimed at resolving the conflict that has persisted since Russia’s invasion in 2022. During a news conference...

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13 Mar 2025 ~~ By Chris Powell

On Thursday Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed tentative support for U.S. President Donald Trump’s proposal for a 30-day ceasefire in Ukraine. This comes amid ongoing negotiations aimed at resolving the conflict that has persisted since Russia’s invasion in 2022.
During a news conference at the Kremlin alongside Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, Putin acknowledged Russia’s agreement “in principle” to the U.S.-proposed ceasefire. However, he stressed the necessity of addressing the “root causes” of the crisis to ensure a lasting peace.
Putin stated that several details need to be sorted out before finalizing the ceasefire agreement. “The idea [of a ceasefire] itself is correct and we are certainly supporting it, but there are issues that need to be discussed,” he said, according to an NBC translation.
“I think that we need to talk to our American colleagues and partners. Maybe call President Trump and discuss it together.”
“But we support the very idea of ending this conflict through peaceful means.” Putin added that any deal must “proceed from the fact that this cessation should be such that it would lead to long-term peace and eliminate the root causes of this crisis.”
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On Tuesday, Zelenskyy agreed to a U.S.-proposed 30-day ceasefire with Russia, aiming to halt the ongoing conflict that began in 2022. The decision followed extensive discussions between U.S. and Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia. In response, the United States resumed military aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine.
President Trump, who has been vocal about his intentions to broker peace in the region, expressed his optimism regarding Russia’s response to the ceasefire proposal. Following discussions with NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Trump conveyed his hope that Russia would “do the right thing” in response to the ceasefire initiative.
Reuters reported that Trump described Putin’s statement as “very promising” but “not complete.” He also expressed willingness to speak with the Russian president to secure a ceasefire.

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Zelenskyy addressed the 30-day ceasefire plan on Telegram, stating, “Ukraine accepts this proposal, we consider it positive, we are ready to take this step. The United States of America needs to convince Russia to do so.”
“We agree, and if the Russians agree, the silence will take effect at that very moment,” he continued. “An important element in today’s discussions is America’s readiness to restore defense assistance to Ukraine and intelligence support.”
“Ukraine is ready for peace,” Zelenskyy wrote. “Russia must also show whether it is ready to end the war — or continue it. The time has come for the whole truth. I thank everyone who helps Ukraine.”


Commentary:
The Quisling Media hates Trump. They’ll blame him no matter what occurs. If there’s peace, they’ll say he gave too much away, if there’s war they’ll say it was his fault. Surely you know how the press functions by now, right?
He did not agree to an immediate unconditional ceasefire.
The terms of the peace deal have yet to be discussed. We know what Putin’s terms are. He’s told us over and over. However, it's a first step in the long journey toward peace for Europe..
Russia will delay and try to capture Kursk. This war needs to end....
Read more:

Trump envoy Witkoff to meet Putin tonight amid Ukraine ceasefire push

A top Kremlin adviser says the sit-down will “take place in a closed format this evening.”

www.politico.eu

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BREAKING: Russian President Putin Accepts US-Ukraine Ceasefire Plan — But With Specific Conditions | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran

In a surprising turn, President Putin has accepted a US-Ukraine ceasefire plan, contingent upon specific conditions. This development raises critical questions about the future of peace negotiations and regional stability.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

/----/ A 30-day ceasefire will save about 60,000 lives.

 

[Zavulon]

That's nonsense. In the 1940s, the russian women were having large families to replace the losses. Today, your popultion is crashing, worse than ours.

Russian population is decreasing, among other things, because of NATO expansion. And, if we allow NATO in Ukraine, Russian population will be genocided in 2030s. Therefore - elimination of NATO might even save Russian population.

You have already lost more than you could afford. THe policy of war in the ukraine, is already a failure. Russia is in a position of cutting losses and saving face.

Of course no. Its not about "saving face". Its about elimination of the vital threat.

My point was a counter point to your claim of russia's military being in good shape.

Your attempt to lose the point is denied. Russia is not doing well and we can see that.

You can't see anything but your illusions. You don't want even to see what are actual Russian goals.

Ignoring real differences in policy is not rational. You making a counter point that is not actually a counter point, is just empty rhetoric. ie shit talk. Doesn't change anything.

Ok. What are those "real differences" (short of empty rhetoric)?

That is silly talk. There are clearly other options.

There are two options - you are getting off from our way (and then you survive) or you are not getting off from our way (and then you don't survive). What other options can you imagine?

And, if you and Putin insists on continuing to fight, that is fine. We tried then. You can keep gaining ground in inches at the cost of irreplaceable russian men.

And if espectated losses comes more or less close to one million killed - Russia will nuke the US nuclear forces.

I care what is acceptable to me. Trump cares what is acceptable to me, as a representative of maga and America.

Man, you don't even know where Ukraine is located. You just parroting official propaganda about importance of Ukraine.

It is unfortunate that we ended up in this situation. But the ending of it, is going to be on our terms. We are prepared to be reasonable.

Of course no. It will be on our terms.

When you are ready to cut a deal, we can cut a deal. Until then, you get to have your way, ie endless war.

There will be no "endless war" because neither Ukraine, nor America have "endless population".

 

[Zavulon]

Negotiations work by finding a middle ground.
Putin is unwilling to concede anything

"Middle ground" for the USA and Russia is somewhere in the middle of Atlantic ocean.

 

[Zavulon]

/----/ A 30-day ceasefire will save about 60,000 lives.
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No. Kievan regime will try to use it to rearm AFU, and, therefore, it will increase the number of victims.

 

[Correll]

Russian population is decreasing, among other things, because of NATO expansion. And, if we allow NATO in Ukraine, Russian population will be genocided in 2030s. Therefore - elimination of NATO might even save Russian population.

Russian population is crashing because russian women are not having enough children.

In this situation, pissing away hundreds of thousands of young men, is a massive policy failure.

Of course no. Its not about "saving face". Its about elimination of the vital threat.

I understand your desire to not have nato on your doorstep. Your attempt to deal with it, blew up in your face. Now it is time to cut your losses and save face.

You can't see anything but your illusions. You don't want even to see what are actual Russian goals.

We were discussing your claim that russian military was in good shape. NOw you are trying to change subject to distract from my counter point about the reality on the ground showing otherwise.

Ok. What are those "real differences" (short of empty rhetoric)?

Trump and maga wants peace. the rest want endless war to bleed russia.

There are two options - you are getting off from our way (and then you survive) or you are not getting off from our way (and then you don't survive). What other options can you imagine?

Putin cutting a deal to end the fighting where it is.

And if espectated losses comes more or less close to one million killed - Russia will nuke the US nuclear forces.

Seems unlikely. So, much so that I don't believe you. So, unfortunately, that won't stop us.

Man, you don't even know where Ukraine is located. You just parroting official propaganda about importance of Ukraine.

I said nothing of the importance of ukraine.

Of course no. It will be on our terms.

Russia is in terrible position on this one. You have really already lost.

There will be no "endless war" because neither Ukraine, nor America have "endless population".

Our population is not suffering in this. It is easy for us to continue the flow of weapons.

Ukraine might collapse. That is possible.

But even if you conquer all of ukraine, what will that really gain you? What changes?

 

[Zavulon]

Russian population is crashing because russian women are not having enough children.

And one of the reasons why they are not having enough children is because they are not having enough of money. Elimination of NATO, and the final solution of the European problem will save a lot of resources to be invested in the reproduction.

In this situation, pissing away hundreds of thousands of young men, is a massive policy failure.

Of course no. Young men doesn't born children (whatever American propaganda tells you). And defending young women and children is what young (and old) men suppose to do. After all, killing foes and taking their women and children is also increasing the population.

I understand your desire to not have nato on your doorstep. Your attempt to deal with it, blew up in your face. Now it is time to cut your losses and save face.

It isn't over until it's over.

We were discussing your claim that russian military was in good shape. NOw you are trying to change subject to distract from my counter point about the reality on the ground showing otherwise.

No, I don't change subject. To determine if a sportsman in in the good shape, you, for starters, should find out what is his specialty. Is it running, or jumping, or swimming or horsing or whatever?

Trump and maga wants peace. the rest want endless war to bleed russia.

Of course no. Both Trump and the rest want only two things - money and power. Neither Trump, nor the rest can fight endless war, because America hasn't endless population.

Putin cutting a deal to end the fighting where it is.

No. Ceasefire won't change a thing, and unacceptable peace will just cause WWIII in not later than 2030. Therefore, even if Putin try to sign unacceptable treaty - he'll be killed, and somebody more patriotic will change him.

Seems unlikely. So, much so that I don't believe you. So, unfortunately, that won't stop us.

Actually, it already has stopped the USA from really effective support of Ukraine. But if not I'm pretty good about it. It won't stop you extremely provocative behaviour, but it won't stop our counter-force strike.

I said nothing of the importance of ukraine.

So, you prefer to gamble with your nation's security just for lulz?

Russia is in terrible position on this one. You have really already lost.

But the Russians don't know about it.

Our population is not suffering in this. It is easy for us to continue the flow of weapons.

Of course your population is suffering, and what is more important - it will suffer much more.

Ukraine might collapse. That is possible.

But even if you conquer all of ukraine, what will that really gain you? What changes?

No NATO in Ukraine will, at least, prevent possible NATO attack against Russian Federation.
Annexation of Ukraine will give us twenty million of Russian people, a lot of warm, green and pleasant land, significant part of Black Sea coast, coal, Titanim, Uranium, Thorium, amber, watermelons, cherries, grain, corn and, may be, better position for negotiations about NATO's rolling back.

 

[Correll]

And one of the reasons why they are not having enough children is because they are not having enough of money. Elimination of NATO, and the final solution of the European problem will save a lot of resources to be invested in the reproduction.

lol. In the real world, you should just stand back and hope europe implodes. You have a real chance of that. YOu don't have a real chance of russia "eliminating nato".

Of course no. Young men doesn't born children (whatever American propaganda tells you). And defending young women and children is what young (and old) men suppose to do. After all, killing foes and taking their women and children is also increasing the population.

You want your young men to be making families with your young women. Anything else is shit talk to cope with policy failures.

It isn't over until it's over.

No, I don't change subject. To determine if a sportsman in in the good shape, you, for starters, should find out what is his specialty. Is it running, or jumping, or swimming or horsing or whatever?

Sorry buddy. Everyone noticed how badly the russian military did in it's attempt to conquer Ukraine. That did not work out the way you hoped.

Of course no. Both Trump and the rest want only two things - money and power. Neither Trump, nor the rest can fight endless war, because America hasn't endless population.

We are losing some money, while you are losing young men.

No. Ceasefire won't change a thing, and unacceptable peace will just cause WWIII in not later than 2030. Therefore, even if Putin try to sign unacceptable treaty - he'll be killed, and somebody more patriotic will change him.

Ceasefire stops your young men from dying and stops your nation from bleeding money.

Actually, it already has stopped the USA from really effective support of Ukraine. But if not I'm pretty good about it. It won't stop you extremely provocative behaviour, but it won't stop our counter-force strike.


So, you prefer to gamble with your nation's security just for lulz?

THe reality is that I don't believe that PUtin will push the buttun. And clearly neither does Trump. Not over ukraine.


So... balls in your court on that one. If you prove us wrong, well, that will suck for everyone involved.

But the Russians don't know about it.


Of course your population is suffering, and what is more important - it will suffer much more.

The status quo on ukraine is not an issue for US. Our budget is a mess, but not because of ukraine. We have bigger issues than that.

You could just hope that we implode. And maybe we will. IN that scenario, a short term ceasefire would work out great for you. Take a breather and try again while America is bogged down in...something.

No NATO in Ukraine will, at least, prevent possible NATO attack against Russian Federation.
Annexation of Ukraine will give us twenty million of Russian people, a lot of warm, green and pleasant land, significant part of Black Sea coast, coal, Titanim, Uranium, Thorium, amber, watermelons, cherries, grain, corn and, may be, better position for negotiations about NATO's rolling back.

Or, in another 2 years, when your men managed to move the lines a few miles at the cost of tens of thounds (or more) dead, we can sit down then.


I am willing to see how it goes. NOt my men dying.

 

[Zavulon]

lol. In the real world, you should just stand back and hope europe implodes. You have a real chance of that. YOu don't have a real chance of russia "eliminating nato".

We rarely make bet on the stupidness and passiveness of the enemy. Instead of implode Europe definetely prefer to go in another Drung nuch Osten. If they win - they'll have Russian resources and Lebensraum. If they lose - they believe that Russia will spare enough of them to allow them survive and recuperate in few generations.

You want your young men to be making families with your young women. Anything else is shit talk to cope with policy failures.

"Making love, not war" makes sense when the war is somewhere beyond an ocean. But when the enemies already started to kill your people - its suicidal strategy. And we are not suicidals.

Sorry buddy. Everyone noticed how badly the russian military did in it's attempt to conquer Ukraine. That did not work out the way you hoped.

"Everybody" can notice how bad are powerlifters in the running at short distances.

We are losing some money, while you are losing young men.

But you are losing young men too. 300k of them are dying every year because of fentanyl overdose. This is the price of your peace with your neighbours (Canada and Mexico). Say nothing about their poor education and health.

Ceasefire stops your young men from dying and stops your nation from bleeding money.

And then young women and children will die, because Banderlogs will kill them.

THe reality is that I don't believe that PUtin will push the buttun. And clearly neither does Trump. Not over ukraine.

Its no problem. If you don't believe and you are too provocative - you are dead and we are not.

The status quo on ukraine is not an issue for US. Our budget is a mess, but not because of ukraine. We have bigger issues than that.

There will be no status quo. There will be either escalation (which is much more likely) either deescalation (which is less likely because Trump, in fact, (whatever is his empty rhetoric) doesn't want peace.

You could just hope that we implode. And maybe we will. IN that scenario, a short term ceasefire would work out great for you. Take a breather and try again while America is bogged down in...something.

No reason. Ceasefire which you'll use to rearm Banderlogs and then send them once more to kill Russians? No, thanks. If you don't want a war - just get out from our way

Or, in another 2 years, when your men managed to move the lines a few miles at the cost of tens of thounds (or more) dead, we can sit down then.

In another 2 years there will be no more Ukrainian men, and Russia will take the whole Ukraine (with women and children). And European industry will be totally collapsed, so Russia will continue denazification of Europe.

I am willing to see how it goes. NOt my men dying.

Your men will die too.

 

[Correll]

We rarely make bet on the stupidness and passiveness of the enemy. Instead of implode Europe definetely prefer to go in another Drung nuch Osten. If they win - they'll have Russian resources and Lebensraum. If they lose - they believe that Russia will spare enough of them to allow them survive and recuperate in few generations.

"Making love, not war" makes sense when the war is somewhere beyond an ocean. But when the enemies already started to kill your people - its suicidal strategy. And we are not suicidals.

You are stuck on a failed war policy. We are offering you a face saving deal. TAKE IT.

"Everybody" can notice how bad are powerlifters in the running at short distances.

Shit talk. You thought you could roll over ukaine easily and quickly. YOu were wrong. Everyone saw that. And we see that you are losing resources every day it continues.

But you are losing young men too. 300k of them are dying every year because of fentanyl overdose. This is the price of your peace with your neighbours (Canada and Mexico). Say nothing about their poor education and health.

We are addressing that nicely. And quickly. I expect noticable improvements soon.

And then young women and children will die, because Banderlogs will kill them.

If the ukrainians go that route after peace deal, bring it to Trump's attention. He will settle them down, or they will pay price.

Its no problem. If you don't believe and you are too provocative - you are dead and we are not.

I an still not believing you. So, balls in your court on this one. Push the button, or don't.

There will be no status quo. There will be either escalation (which is much more likely) either deescalation (which is less likely because Trump, in fact, (whatever is his empty rhetoric) doesn't want peace.

Trump does want peace. So does maga. It is you that is stopping peace at this point.

No reason. Ceasefire which you'll use to rearm Banderlogs and then send them once more to kill Russians? No, thanks. If you don't want a war - just get out from our way

That option is not on the table. You need to deal with the situation as it is.

Your choices are cut a deal, or keep bleeding.

In another 2 years there will be no more Ukrainian men, and Russia will take the whole Ukraine (with women and children). And European industry will be totally collapsed, so Russia will continue denazification of Europe.

Maybe. If you insist on hoping for that, we cannot stop you. We will continue to feed the ukrainians weapons and see which lasts longer, ukainian men or russian men.

Mmm, if you win. Then, what? You have ukaine and a wrecked military.

US is still in good position.

Your men will die too.

Unlikely.

 

[Mac-7]

Not very informative at all!

The only information contained in it is that Russia has stated their position.

Nothing has changed so far.

I agree

Its too soon to celebrate a ceasefire

 

[Zavulon]

You are stuck on a failed war policy. We are offering you a face saving deal. TAKE IT.

We are not in need of face saving deals. What we need is to save our people. So - take our cum on your face.

Shit talk. You thought you could roll over ukaine easily and quickly. YOu were wrong. Everyone saw that. And we see that you are losing resources every day it continues.

Wow. You are a mind reader now?

We are addressing that nicely. And quickly. I expect noticable improvements soon.

There will be no any improvement without American boots on Mexican soil. And there will be no American boots on American soil while you are trapped in Eurasia.

If the ukrainians go that route after peace deal, bring it to Trump's attention. He will settle them down, or they will pay price.

Of course no. He (as well as any western politician) didn't care about Odessa Massacre, and there is no reason to think that he really wants peace.

I an still not believing you. So, balls in your court on this one. Push the button, or don't.

You don't believe us, we don't believe you, so there will be no deal.

Trump does want peace. So does maga. It is you that is stopping peace at this point.

No, he doesn't. He sponsored Ukrainians and he even gave them lethal weapons after Odessa Massacre. It seems to me, that he, as most of western politicians want to genocide Russians.

That option is not on the table. You need to deal with the situation as it is.

No problem. We can kill both you and Ukrainains.

Your choices are cut a deal, or keep bleeding.

We have more options than that. We can also escalate.

Maybe. If you insist on hoping for that, we cannot stop you. We will continue to feed the ukrainians weapons and see which lasts longer, ukainian men or russian men.

American men, women and children will be finished earlier.

Mmm, if you win. Then, what? You have ukaine and a wrecked military.

Of course no. Our military is much stronger than back in 2022, and is going be even stronger after assimilation of former Ukrainian Army.

US is still in good position.

We'll see.

 

[Donald H]

I agree

Its too soon to celebrate a ceasefire

If you're wanting to join in my conversations, you're welcome but you're going to have to improve your game.

I'm happy to start again from here!

 

[Correll]

We are not in need of face saving deals. What we need is to save our people. So - take our cum on your face.

Wow. You are a mind reader now?

Bluster. We offer face saving deal. Take it.

There will be no any improvement without American boots on Mexican soil. And there will be no American boots on American soil while you are trapped in Eurasia.

I disagree. I expect to see improvements very soon. ANd more and more as time goes on. We have turned corner in this country.

Of course no. He (as well as any western politician) didn't care about Odessa Massacre, and there is no reason to think that he really wants peace.

You need to work on your diplomancy.

You don't believe us, we don't believe you, so there will be no deal.

And just like that, you lose the thread of your own argument again.

No, he doesn't. He sponsored Ukrainians and he even gave them lethal weapons after Odessa Massacre. It seems to me, that he, as most of western politicians want to genocide Russians.

Nope. Maga has no desire to kill russians. We offer peace. Take it.

No problem. We can kill both you and Ukrainains.

We have more options than that. We can also escalate.

Escalation to save a losing hand, not a strong move. Not a good move either. I think Putin will actually not be that dumb.

American men, women and children will be finished earlier.


Of course no. Our military is much stronger than back in 2022, and is going be even stronger after assimilation of former Ukrainian Army.


We'll see.

Yes, time will tell. Putin is under great pressure. I think he is just hoping to clear ukainian toe hold in russian soil. If he wants more, he is being foolish.

 

[Zavulon]

Bluster. We offer face saving deal. Take it.

No. We suggested you a face saving deal back in 2021 with really generous terms:
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The US refusal to create military bases in the states of the former USSR and the termination of any military cooperation with them;

- The US commitment to exclude further expansion of NATO to the east and refusal to admit the states of the former USSR into the Alliance;

- Refusal by Russia and the United States to deploy medium- and shorter-range missiles in places from which they can hit targets on the territory of the other side;

- The obligation of the parties not to deploy nuclear weapons beyond their borders; return weapons previously deployed outside national territories;

- Eliminate foreign infrastructure for the deployment of nuclear weapons;

-Do not conduct exercises to practice the use of nuclear weapons;

-Do not train the military of non-nuclear states to use nuclear weapons;

- The obligation of the parties to refrain from flying heavy bombers outside their skies and from the presence of warships in areas outside national waters, from where targets in the territory of the other party could be hit;

- Non-interference in internal affairs, including refusal to support organizations, groups and individuals advocating an “unconstitutional change of power,” as well as any actions aimed at changing the political or social system of one of the parties.

Russia's draft agreement with NATO provided for:

- Withdrawal from the territory of countries that became NATO members after 1997 of all armed forces and military infrastructure of foreign states that appeared there in subsequent years;

- Exclusion of further expansion of NATO, including the accession of Ukraine, as well as other states;

- NATO’s renunciation of any military activities in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Transcaucasia and Central Asia;

- Confirmation that the parties “do not consider each other as opponents” and are ready to “peacefully resolve all international disputes, and also refrain from any use of force”;

- In order to “prevent the occurrence of incidents,” the parties undertake to refuse to conduct military exercises and other actions “above the brigade level” in the agreed border zone;

- Creation of hotlines for emergency contacts between Russia and NATO.
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You refused. Now the term will be much worse for you. It even possible that you'll lost Alaska and California before 2030.

I disagree. I expect to see improvements very soon. ANd more and more as time goes on. We have turned corner in this country.

You may disagree, but Mexicans and Canadians can disagree with your disagreement, too.

You need to work on your diplomancy.

No problem. There is a joke: "I have dick in ass, and you have dick in ass, but there is a nuance" [It is my dick in your ass]. Same way, we both want peace, but there is a nuance. [We can eliminate you and you can't eliminate us].

And just like that, you lose the thread of your own argument again.

No. No treaty are possible if we basically disagree about what the situation is, and if we don't trust each other.

Nope. Maga has no desire to kill russians. We offer peace. Take it.

Get off our way, and, may be, you'll survive.

Escalation to save a losing hand, not a strong move. Not a good move either. I think Putin will actually not be that dumb.

Think better.

Yes, time will tell. Putin is under great pressure. I think he is just hoping to clear ukainian toe hold in russian soil.

Think better.

 

[Correll]

No. We suggested you a face saving deal back in 2021 with really generous terms:
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The US refusal to create military bases in the states of the former USSR and the termination of any military cooperation with them;

- The US commitment to exclude further expansion of NATO to the east and refusal to admit the states of the former USSR into the Alliance;

- Refusal by Russia and the United States to deploy medium- and shorter-range missiles in places from which they can hit targets on the territory of the other side;

- The obligation of the parties not to deploy nuclear weapons beyond their borders; return weapons previously deployed outside national territories;

- Eliminate foreign infrastructure for the deployment of nuclear weapons;

-Do not conduct exercises to practice the use of nuclear weapons;

-Do not train the military of non-nuclear states to use nuclear weapons;

- The obligation of the parties to refrain from flying heavy bombers outside their skies and from the presence of warships in areas outside national waters, from where targets in the territory of the other party could be hit;

- Non-interference in internal affairs, including refusal to support organizations, groups and individuals advocating an “unconstitutional change of power,” as well as any actions aimed at changing the political or social system of one of the parties.

Russia's draft agreement with NATO provided for:

- Withdrawal from the territory of countries that became NATO members after 1997 of all armed forces and military infrastructure of foreign states that appeared there in subsequent years;

- Exclusion of further expansion of NATO, including the accession of Ukraine, as well as other states;

- NATO’s renunciation of any military activities in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Transcaucasia and Central Asia;

- Confirmation that the parties “do not consider each other as opponents” and are ready to “peacefully resolve all international disputes, and also refrain from any use of force”;

- In order to “prevent the occurrence of incidents,” the parties undertake to refuse to conduct military exercises and other actions “above the brigade level” in the agreed border zone;

- Creation of hotlines for emergency contacts between Russia and NATO.
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You refused. Now the term will be much worse for you. It even possible that you'll lost Alaska and California before 2030.

Not really interested in old offers that past presidents rejected. Moving forward, hopefully MAGA will be in charge and we will be more reasonable.

You may disagree, but Mexicans and Canadians can disagree with your disagreement, too.

It is not about them. It is about us putting our house in order. They can help by doing their job on their side of borders and they will or face consequences.

No problem. There is a joke: "I have dick in ass, and you have dick in ass, but there is a nuance" [It is my dick in your ass]. Same way, we both want peace, but there is a nuance. [We can eliminate you and you can't eliminate us].

Crude bluster. Not... very impressive. Talk is meaningless when people are dying in the field. YOUR people, not mine. So.... let's end that. I have no desire to see more russians die.

No. No treaty are possible if we basically disagree about what the situation is, and if we don't trust each other.

Sure it is possible. You do the things you say you will do and we do the things we say we will do. If everyone does that, then peace. If not, we can always go back to seeing russsians and ukrainians dying in large numbers.

Get off our way, and, may be, you'll survive.

Think better.

Think better.

Take the deal Trump offers. It is the best one you will get.