The mostly antisemites douche bag on the board speaks!
Note: I didn’t even read your comment, but I know it is clueless bullshit!
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Putin; 80-85% Bolsheviks Revolution were Jews.
The mostly antisemites douche bag on the board speaks!
Note: I didn’t even read your comment, but I know it is clueless bullshit!
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Let’s do math! The Jews were never more than 1% of then Russia population and they were the most persecuted minority in the USSR, so take your bullshit and shovel it up you ass!
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Look don’t blame Jews for being successful as a group while you are a loser living in your parent’s basement. Your failure is not our fault, but us JJJOOOSSS do laugh at you and call you people white trash. How does that make you feel?
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not really, Belarusian intelligentsia-elite 20-50th , Ukrainian nation in general end of 20th-30th (Holodomor) , Crimean Tatars, Chechens got much harder blow from koba -dzhugashvili then the Jews (maybe cos they didn´t have own soviet socialist republic)
but Koba from 1945 and up to his last days he took Jewish anti- soviet conspiracy fairy - tales very serious...
"The Doctors' plot (Russian: дело врачей, "doctors' case", врачи-вредители, "doctors-saboteurs" or врачи-убийцы, "doctors-killers") was an episode of antisemitism in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin's regime. In 1952–1953, a group of prominent Moscow doctors (predominantly Jews) were accused of conspiring to assassinate Soviet leaders.[1] This was later accompanied by publications of anti-Semitic character in the media, which talked about the threats of Zionism and condemned people with Jewish names. Many doctors, officials and others, both Jews and non-Jews, were promptly dismissed from their jobs and arrested. A few weeks after the death of Stalin, the new Soviet leadership stated a lack of evidence and the case was dropped. Soon after, the case was declared to have been fabricated."
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did the Jews bring Lenin to Muscovy in 1917? or Kaiser did it?
"After the outbreak of the February Revolution, German authorities allowed Lenin and his lieutenants to cross Germany en route from Switzerland to Sweden in a sealed railway car. Berlin hoped, correctly, that the return of the anti-war socialists to Russia would undermine the Russian war effort, which was continuing under the provisional government."
Lenin returns to Russia from exile - Apr 16, 1917 - HISTORY.com
It wasn't Kaiser, it was Bethmann.
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Hahaha, Jews were the most persecuted in the USSR?
How?
The Ukrainians perished in the Holodomor, and Gulag by up to 10 million in the early - mid 1930's, the NKVD was run by Jew Genrikh Yagoda, the Holodomor was engineered by Jew Lazar Kaganovich, and the Gulag system was run by Jew Matvei Berman.
Then there's the Polish Operation of the NKVD 1938 - 1939 / Katyn Massacre against Poles, the Crimean Tatar deportations, the Volga German deportations etc.
Let's not forget Russians themselves died a lot in the Bolshevik Revolution, up to 15 million of them between the Russian Civil War, and the Volga Famine.
How are your Jews the ultimate victims of the USSR?
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After Georgian Stalin perished, the USSR became much more normal, coincidence?
Even under Stalin things became much more normal after the Great Purges, where Jews were purged out of the NKVD, coincidence?
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so according you the German empire was also ruled by the Jews, who helped to Muscovite Jews to take over Muscovite empire, right? why Yiddish didn´t became a state language in USSR and the David star didn´t find the way to soviet flag ? where can read more about lt? any academical links ?
did the Jews bring Lenin to Muscovy in 1917? or Kaiser did it?
"After the outbreak of the February Revolution, German authorities allowed Lenin and his lieutenants to cross Germany en route from Switzerland to Sweden in a sealed railway car. Berlin hoped, correctly, that the return of the anti-war socialists to Russia would undermine the Russian war effort, which was continuing under the provisional government."
Lenin returns to Russia from exile - Apr 16, 1917 - HISTORY.com
It wasn't Kaiser, it was Bethmann.
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The love of your life Timothy Snyder, admitted the NKVD was more ethnic Jewish, than ethnic Russian during the Holodomor around 1933 - 1934.
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so according you the German empire was also ruled by the Jews, who helped to Muscovite Jews to take over Muscovite empire, right? why Yiddish didn´t became a state language in USSR and the David star didn´t find the way to soviet flag ? where can read more about lt? any academical links ?
did the Jews bring Lenin to Muscovy in 1917? or Kaiser did it?
"After the outbreak of the February Revolution, German authorities allowed Lenin and his lieutenants to cross Germany en route from Switzerland to Sweden in a sealed railway car. Berlin hoped, correctly, that the return of the anti-war socialists to Russia would undermine the Russian war effort, which was continuing under the provisional government."
Lenin returns to Russia from exile - Apr 16, 1917 - HISTORY.com
It wasn't Kaiser, it was Bethmann.
Stalin did create a Jewish Homeland.
Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia
What are you talking about Yiddish language?
YIVO | Soviet Yiddish-Language Schools
kraine and Belorussia in 1924. The compulsory assignment of Yiddish-speaking children to Yiddish schools did increase enrollments, but also aroused dissatisfaction among some Jewish parents whose preference for Russian-language schools was supported by some influential Soviet officials. In 1925, Pravda carried a debate about ethnic schools provoked by an article by Iurii Larin that decried the compulsory transfer of children from Russian schools to those where instruction was in minority national languages.
Nevertheless, the number of pupils in Yiddish schools increased beginning in the mid-1920s and rose even more at the end of the decade with the introduction of compulsory elementary education in the USSR. Local educational authorities made special efforts to send Yiddish-speaking pupils to Yiddish-language schools because they were much less crowded than non-Yiddish schools. In Ukraine there were 42,000 pupils in 268 Yiddish schools in 1924; by 1931 the numbers were 94,800 in 1,096 schools. In Belorussia the respective figures were 22,500 pupils in 175 schools in 1926 and 36,500 in 339 Yiddish language schools by 1933. In the Russian Soviet Republic in 1931 there were 11,000 pupils in 110 schools.
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in 50th Jews have had very tuff times in USSR,
"Antisemitism in the Soviet Union reached new heights after 1948 during the campaign against the "rootless cosmopolitan", in which numerous Yiddish-writing poets, writers, painters and sculptors were killed or arrested.[2][3] This culminated in the so-called Doctors' plot, in which a group of doctors (some of whom were Jewish) had allegedly conspired to murder Stalin.[4]"
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Antisemitism in the Soviet Union commenced openly as a campaign against the "rootless cosmopolitan"[3] (a supposed euphemism for "Jew"). In his speech titled "On Several Reasons for the Lag in Soviet Dramaturgy" at a plenary session of the board of the Soviet Writers' Union in December 1948, Alexander Fadeyev equated the cosmopolitans with the Jews.[24][note 2] In this campaign against the "rootless cosmopolitan", many leading Jewish writers and artists were killed.[3] Terms like "rootless cosmopolitans", "bourgeois cosmopolitans", and "individuals devoid of nation or tribe" (all of which were codewords for Jews) appeared in newspapers.[24][note 3] The Soviet press accused the Jews of "groveling before the West," helping "American imperialism," "slavish imitation of bourgeois culture" and "bourgeois aestheticism."[24][note 4] Victimization of Jews in the USSR at the hands of the Nazis was denied, Jewish scholars were removed from the sciences and emigration rights were denied to Jews.[26] The Stalinist antisemitic campaign ultimately culminated in the Doctors' plot in 1953. According to Patai and Patai, the Doctors' plot was "clearly aimed at the total liquidation of Jewish cultural life."[3] Communist antisemitism under Stalin shared a common characteristic with Nazi and fascist antisemitism in its belief in "Jewish world conspiracy".[27]
Following the Soviet invasion of Poland, Stalin began a policy of relocating Jews to the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast']Jewish Autonomous Oblast and other parts of Siberia. Throughout the war, similar movements were executed in regions considered vulnerable to Nazi invasion with the various target ethnic groups of the Nazi genocide. When these populations reached their destinations, work was oftentimes arduous and they were subjected to poor conditions due to lack of resources caused by the war effort.[24][25] According to first hand testimony, Stalin was sympathetic to Hitler and saw that "Gas chambers are sometimes necessary"[citation needed][/URL]
Stalin began a new purge with repressing his wartime allies, the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Anti-Fascist_Committee']Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. In January 1948, Solomon Mikhoels was assassinated on Stalin's personal orders in Minsk. His murder was disguised as a hit-and-run car accident. Mikhoels was taken to MGB dacha and killed, along with his non-Jewish colleague Golubov-Potapov, under supervision of Stalin's Deputy Minister of State Security Sergei Ogoltsov. Their bodies were then dumped on a road-side in Minsk[31][32]
Despite Stalin's willingness to support Israel early on, various historians suppose that antisemitism in the late 1940s and early 1950s was motivated by Stalin's possible perception of Jews as a potential "fifth column" in light of a pro-Western Israel in the Middle East. Orlando Figes suggests that
After the foundation of Israel in May 1948, and its alignment with the USA in the Cold War, the 2 million Soviet Jews, who had always remained loyal to the Soviet system, were portrayed by the Stalinist regime as a potential fifth column. Despite his personal dislike of Jews, Stalin had been an early supporter of a Jewish state in Palestine, which he had hoped to turn into a Soviet satellite in the Middle East. But as the leadership of the emerging state proved hostile to approaches from the Soviet Union, Stalin became increasingly afraid of pro-Israeli feeling among Soviet Jews. His fears intensified as a result of Golda Meir's arrival in Moscow in the autumn of 1948 as the first Israeli ambassador to the USSR. On her visit to a Moscow synagogue on Yom Kippur (13 October), thousands of people lined the streets, many of them shouting Am Yisroel chai ('The people of Israel live!')—a traditional affirmation of national renewal to Jews throughout the world but to Stalin a dangerous sign of 'bourgeois Jewish nationalism' that subverted the authority of the Soviet state.[33]
Historians Albert S. Lindemann and Richard S. Levy observe that "When, in October 1948, during the high holy days, thousands of Jews rallied around Moscow's central synagogue to honor Golda Meir, the first Israeli ambassador, the authorities became especially alarmed at the signs of Jewish disaffection.[34]". Jeffrey Veidlinger writes that "By October 1948, it was obvious that Mikhoels was by no means the sole advocate of Zionism among Soviet Jews. The revival of Jewish cultural expression during the war had fostered a general sense of boldness among the Jewish masses. Many Jews remained oblivious to the growing Zhdanovshchina and the threat to Soviet Jews that the brewing campaign against 'rootless cosmopolitans' signaled. Indeed, official attitudes toward Jewish culture were ambivalent during this period. On the surface, Jewish culture seemed to be supported by the state: public efforts had been made to sustain the Yiddish theater after Mikhoels's death, Eynikayt was still publishing on schedule, and, most important, the Soviet Union recognized the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. To most Moscow Jews, the state of Soviet Jewry had never been better.[35]
In November 1948, Soviet authorities launched a campaign to liquidate what was left of Jewish culture. The leading members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with treason, bourgeois nationalism and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve American interests. The Museum of Environmental Knowledge of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (established in November 1944) and The Jewish Museum in Vilnius (established at the end of the war) were closed down in 1948.[36] The Historical-Ethnographic Museum of Georgian Jewry, established in 1933, was shut down at the end of 1951.[36]
In Birobidzhan, the various Jewish cultural institutions that had been established under Stalin's earlier policy of support for "proletarian Jewish culture" in the 1930s were closed down between late 1948 and early 1949. These included the Kaganovich Yiddish Theater, the Yiddish publishing house, the Yiddish newspaper Birobidzhan, the library of Yiddish and Hebrew books, and the local Jewish schools.[37] The same happened to Yiddish theaters all over the Soviet Union, beginning with the Odessa Yiddish Theater and including the Moscow State Jewish Theater.
In early February 1949, the Stalin Prize-winning microbiologist Nikolay Gamaleya, a pioneer of bacteriology and member of the Academy of Sciences, wrote a personal letter to Stalin, protesting the growing antisemitism: "Judging by absolutely indisputable and obvious indications, the reappearance of antisemitism is not coming from below, not from the masses. . . but is directed from above, by someone's invisible hand. Antisemitism is coming from some high-placed persons who have taken up posts in the leading party organs. . .[38] The ninety-year-old scientist wrote Stalin a second letter in mid-February, again mentioning the growing antisemitism. In March, Gamaleya died, still having received no answer.[39]
During the night of 12–13 August 1952, remembered as the "Night of the Murdered Poets" (Ночь казнённых поэтов), thirteen of the most prominent Yiddish writers of the Soviet Union were executed on the orders of Stalin. Among the victims were Peretz Markish, David Bergelson and Itzik Fefer.
In a 1 December 1952 Politburo session, Stalin announced: "Every Jewish nationalist is the agent of the American intelligence service. Jewish nationalists think that their nation was saved by the USA. . . They think they are indebted to the Americans. Among doctors, there are many Jewish nationalists."[40]
A notable campaign to quietly remove Jews from positions of authority within the state security services was carried out in 1952–1953. The Russian historians Zhores and Roy Medvedev wrote that according to MVD General Sudoplatov, "simultaneously all Jews were removed from the leadership of the security services, even those in very senior positions. In February the anti-Jewish expulsions were extended to regional branches of the MGB. A secret directive was distributed to all regional directorates of the MGB on 22 February, ordering that all Jewish employees of the MGB be dismissed immediately, regardless of rank, age or service record. . . .[41]".
The outside world was not ignorant of these developments, and even the leading members of the Communist Party USA complained about the situation. In the memoir Being Red, the American writer and prominent Communist Howard Fast recalls a meeting with Soviet writer and World Peace Congress delegate Alexander Fadeyev during this time. Fadeyev insisted that "There is no anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union", despite the evidence "that at least eight leading Jewish figures in the Red Army and in government had been arrested on what appeared to be trumped-up charges. Yiddish-language newspapers had been suppressed. Schools that taught Hebrew had been closed. . . ."[42]
The Doctors' Plot
Main article: Doctors' plot
On 13 January 1953, the Soviet Union's TASS information agency announced the unmasking of a conspiracy of so-called "doctors-poisoners" who had covertly attempted to decapitate the Soviet leadership. The accused doctors were all senior physicians—most of them Jewish—who had allegedly confessed to planning and successfully carrying out heinous assassinations, including the covert murders of such high-profile Soviet citizens as writer Alexander Shcherbakov (died 1945) and politician Andrey Zhdanov (died 1948). The alleged conspirators were accused of acting on behalf of both the American and British intelligence services and an anti-Soviet international Jewish bourgeois-nationalist organization.[43]
As Western press accused the Soviet Union of antisemitism, the Central Committee of Communist Party decided to organise a propagandistic trick, a collective letter by Jewish public figures, condemning with fervour "the murderers in white overalls" and the agents of imperialism and Zionism, and to assure there was no antisemitism in the USSR. The letter was signed by well-known scientists and culture figures, who had been forced to do so by the NKVD.[16] However, the letter, initially planned to be published in February 1953, remained unpublished. Instead of the letter, a vehement feuilleton "The Simple-minded and the Swindlers" was published in Pravda, featuring numerous characters with Jewish names, all of them swindlers, villains, saboteurs, whom the naïve Russian people trust, having lost vigilance. What followed was a new wave of antisemitic hysteria, and a plan by Stalin to send all of the Jews to Siberia,[44][45] similar to other ethnic groups. Only Stalin's death the same year relieved the fear.[16]
Similar purges against Jews were organised in Eastern Bloc countries (see Prague Trials).
During this time Soviet Jews were dubbed as persons of Jewish ethnicity. A dean of Marxism-Leninism department at one of Soviet Universities explained the policy to his students:[46]
One of you asked if our current political campaign can be regarded as antisemitic. Comrade Stalin said: "We hate Nazi not because they are Germans, but because they brought enormous suffering to our land". Same can be said about the Jews.
It has been claimed that: "At the time of [Stalin's] death, no Jew in Russia could feel safe."[47] However, throughout this time, the Soviet media avoided overt antisemitism and continued to report the punishment of officials for antisemitic behavior.[48]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism[/URL]
Litwin
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so according you the German empire was also ruled by the Jews, who helped to Muscovite Jews to take over Muscovite empire, right? why Yiddish didn´t became a state language in USSR and the David star didn´t find the way to soviet flag ? where can read more about lt? any academical links ?
did the Jews bring Lenin to Muscovy in 1917? or Kaiser did it?
"After the outbreak of the February Revolution, German authorities allowed Lenin and his lieutenants to cross Germany en route from Switzerland to Sweden in a sealed railway car. Berlin hoped, correctly, that the return of the anti-war socialists to Russia would undermine the Russian war effort, which was continuing under the provisional government."
Lenin returns to Russia from exile - Apr 16, 1917 - HISTORY.com
It wasn't Kaiser, it was Bethmann.
Stalin did create a Jewish Homeland.
Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia
What are you talking about Yiddish language?
YIVO | Soviet Yiddish-Language Schools
kraine and Belorussia in 1924. The compulsory assignment of Yiddish-speaking children to Yiddish schools did increase enrollments, but also aroused dissatisfaction among some Jewish parents whose preference for Russian-language schools was supported by some influential Soviet officials. In 1925, Pravda carried a debate about ethnic schools provoked by an article by Iurii Larin that decried the compulsory transfer of children from Russian schools to those where instruction was in minority national languages.
Nevertheless, the number of pupils in Yiddish schools increased beginning in the mid-1920s and rose even more at the end of the decade with the introduction of compulsory elementary education in the USSR. Local educational authorities made special efforts to send Yiddish-speaking pupils to Yiddish-language schools because they were much less crowded than non-Yiddish schools. In Ukraine there were 42,000 pupils in 268 Yiddish schools in 1924; by 1931 the numbers were 94,800 in 1,096 schools. In Belorussia the respective figures were 22,500 pupils in 175 schools in 1926 and 36,500 in 339 Yiddish language schools by 1933. In the Russian Soviet Republic in 1931 there were 11,000 pupils in 110 schools.
status of a Minority language in BSSR and USSR, you must be joking , right?
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Hardly a Holodomor, or Polish Operation of the NKVD 1937 - 1938, or a Volga German deportation, or Crimean Tatar deportation event.
Actually the Soviet regime became less, and less oppressive, as it became more, and more oppressive of Jews, and had less, and less Jews in it's ranks, coincidence?
Note that the period you speak of, is when the Gulag's started disappearing.
SobieskiSavedEurope
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In the mid 1940's - mid 1950's Jewish Soviet of the secret police UB named Jakub Berman killed up to 6,000 Poles, and imprisoned up to 500,000 Polish patriot political prisoners.
This is why Poland didn't rebel like Hungary, or Czechoslovakia, because the scumbags killed, or imprisoned almost all Polish Armia Krajowa patriots.
Later on Soviet Poland became better, because Jews were purged out.
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so according you the German empire was also ruled by the Jews, who helped to Muscovite Jews to take over Muscovite empire, right? why Yiddish didn´t became a state language in USSR and the David star didn´t find the way to soviet flag ? where can read more about lt? any academical links ?
did the Jews bring Lenin to Muscovy in 1917? or Kaiser did it?
"After the outbreak of the February Revolution, German authorities allowed Lenin and his lieutenants to cross Germany en route from Switzerland to Sweden in a sealed railway car. Berlin hoped, correctly, that the return of the anti-war socialists to Russia would undermine the Russian war effort, which was continuing under the provisional government."
Lenin returns to Russia from exile - Apr 16, 1917 - HISTORY.com
It wasn't Kaiser, it was Bethmann.
Stalin did create a Jewish Homeland.
Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia
What are you talking about Yiddish language?
YIVO | Soviet Yiddish-Language Schools
kraine and Belorussia in 1924. The compulsory assignment of Yiddish-speaking children to Yiddish schools did increase enrollments, but also aroused dissatisfaction among some Jewish parents whose preference for Russian-language schools was supported by some influential Soviet officials. In 1925, Pravda carried a debate about ethnic schools provoked by an article by Iurii Larin that decried the compulsory transfer of children from Russian schools to those where instruction was in minority national languages.
Nevertheless, the number of pupils in Yiddish schools increased beginning in the mid-1920s and rose even more at the end of the decade with the introduction of compulsory elementary education in the USSR. Local educational authorities made special efforts to send Yiddish-speaking pupils to Yiddish-language schools because they were much less crowded than non-Yiddish schools. In Ukraine there were 42,000 pupils in 268 Yiddish schools in 1924; by 1931 the numbers were 94,800 in 1,096 schools. In Belorussia the respective figures were 22,500 pupils in 175 schools in 1926 and 36,500 in 339 Yiddish language schools by 1933. In the Russian Soviet Republic in 1931 there were 11,000 pupils in 110 schools.
status of a Minority language in BSSR and USSR, you must be joking , right?
There was Jewish relief coming into feed, and aid Bolshevik victim Jews, where was such for Ukrainians in the Holodomor, or Russians in the Volga Famine?
YIVO | American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
Litwin
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No, the fact is that Poles are cowards with mentality of bankers , commie Poland got from Koba really a lot, ports which they never had, best lands in Germany , Parts of Belarus republic (Bielastok) BSSR , etc.
this is one is a much better example of very complicated relations between Poles and Jews
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AN EXTRADITION request by Polish authorities for an alleged former commander of a Stalinist-era detention camp now living in Tel Aviv has been rejected by Israel.
Salomon Morel is wanted by the prosecutor's office in the southern Polish city of Katowice. He is charged with crimes against humanity while he was commander of the Swietochlowice camp where more than 3,000 prisoners, mainly Germans, but also including several citizens of allied and neutral nations, were held during 1945.
A reply sent to the Polish Justice Ministry from Israeli authorities said that Israel would not extradite Mr Morel. Officials said the crimes with which he is charged are not perceived in Israel as genocide, and so are subject to the statute of limitations, the Polish news agency PAP reported.
The demand by Polish authorities for Mr Morel's extradition is the second attempt this month to bring back former Communist officials. The Polish military prosecutor in Warsaw recently issued an arrest warrant for Helena Brus, formerly Wolinska, now married to an Oxford don.
During the 1950s Ms Wolinska worked as a military prosecutor in Warsaw, issuing arrest warrants. Many of those detained under her orders were later hanged. Both Mr Morel and Mrs Brus are Jewish.
Swietochlowice was set up by the Soviet NKVD - forerunner of the KGB - after the Red Army's liberation of southern Poland. The camp was later handed over to the Polish secret service, the notorious UB.
Stalin's policy was to put Jews in charge of camps. Their experiences during the Nazi Holocaust would mean that Germans and Poles held there could expect little mercy. More than half of the 3,000 prisoners at Swietochlowice were murdered or died there, according to PAP.
Dorota Boriczek, a camp survivor, remembers Salomon Morel as a barbaric and cruel man who, with his colleagues, was responsible for many killings of inmates. "I knew Morel in the camp. He was a very brutal man. He was young then. He would come in at night. We could hear the cries of the men then. They would beat them and throw the bodies out of the window," Mrs Boriczek, now 68 and living in Ludswigberg, Germany, told The Independent.
"I was taken there when I was 14, with my mother. I still don't know why we were there and I still want to know. They told us when we arrived, `You are here, and you are here to die, although nobody will shoot you, because ammunition is too expensive'."
Conditions in the camp were horrific, said Mrs Boriczek, who has begun a legal process in Katowice to try to find out why she was sent to the camp.
"There was nothing to eat, a hunger that you cannot imagine. We were lucky to have a piece of bread once a day, nothing else, and water. Both my mother and I had typhus. We were separated and I didn't know she was alive. I had a high fever and when I opened my eyes, I was sleeping next to a lady from Switzerland. I slept with her under one blanket. I was happy that she was dead, because that meant I could have her blanket."
Mr Morel, born in 1919, lost much of his family in the Holocaust before joining the partisans, in his case a Jewish military unit, according to John Sack, the American author of An Eye for An Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945.
In 1995, 50 years after her imprisonment at Swietochlowice, Mrs Boriczek saw Mr Morel in the Katowice prosecutor's office. She said she felt more pity than hatred.
"I hated him all my life and then when I saw him I saw an old, fat man. I could see he was ill. I would even have given him my hand. I asked him why he did these crimes. He told me I was lying and everybody loved him."
Mr Morel refused to speak to The Independent. A man in Tel Aviv who identified himself as Mr Morel's son said his father did not talk to journalists"
Israel protects concentration camp boss
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No, the fact is that Poles are cowards with mentality of bankers , commie Poland got from Koba really a lot, ports which they never had, best lands in Germany , Parts of Belarus republic (Bielastok) BSSR , etc.
this is one is a much better example of very complicated relations between Poles and Jews
"
AN EXTRADITION request by Polish authorities for an alleged former commander of a Stalinist-era detention camp now living in Tel Aviv has been rejected by Israel.
Salomon Morel is wanted by the prosecutor's office in the southern Polish city of Katowice. He is charged with crimes against humanity while he was commander of the Swietochlowice camp where more than 3,000 prisoners, mainly Germans, but also including several citizens of allied and neutral nations, were held during 1945.
A reply sent to the Polish Justice Ministry from Israeli authorities said that Israel would not extradite Mr Morel. Officials said the crimes with which he is charged are not perceived in Israel as genocide, and so are subject to the statute of limitations, the Polish news agency PAP reported.
The demand by Polish authorities for Mr Morel's extradition is the second attempt this month to bring back former Communist officials. The Polish military prosecutor in Warsaw recently issued an arrest warrant for Helena Brus, formerly Wolinska, now married to an Oxford don.
During the 1950s Ms Wolinska worked as a military prosecutor in Warsaw, issuing arrest warrants. Many of those detained under her orders were later hanged. Both Mr Morel and Mrs Brus are Jewish.
Swietochlowice was set up by the Soviet NKVD - forerunner of the KGB - after the Red Army's liberation of southern Poland. The camp was later handed over to the Polish secret service, the notorious UB.
Stalin's policy was to put Jews in charge of camps. Their experiences during the Nazi Holocaust would mean that Germans and Poles held there could expect little mercy. More than half of the 3,000 prisoners at Swietochlowice were murdered or died there, according to PAP.
Dorota Boriczek, a camp survivor, remembers Salomon Morel as a barbaric and cruel man who, with his colleagues, was responsible for many killings of inmates. "I knew Morel in the camp. He was a very brutal man. He was young then. He would come in at night. We could hear the cries of the men then. They would beat them and throw the bodies out of the window," Mrs Boriczek, now 68 and living in Ludswigberg, Germany, told The Independent.
"I was taken there when I was 14, with my mother. I still don't know why we were there and I still want to know. They told us when we arrived, `You are here, and you are here to die, although nobody will shoot you, because ammunition is too expensive'."
Conditions in the camp were horrific, said Mrs Boriczek, who has begun a legal process in Katowice to try to find out why she was sent to the camp.
"There was nothing to eat, a hunger that you cannot imagine. We were lucky to have a piece of bread once a day, nothing else, and water. Both my mother and I had typhus. We were separated and I didn't know she was alive. I had a high fever and when I opened my eyes, I was sleeping next to a lady from Switzerland. I slept with her under one blanket. I was happy that she was dead, because that meant I could have her blanket."
Mr Morel, born in 1919, lost much of his family in the Holocaust before joining the partisans, in his case a Jewish military unit, according to John Sack, the American author of An Eye for An Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945.
In 1995, 50 years after her imprisonment at Swietochlowice, Mrs Boriczek saw Mr Morel in the Katowice prosecutor's office. She said she felt more pity than hatred.
"I hated him all my life and then when I saw him I saw an old, fat man. I could see he was ill. I would even have given him my hand. I asked him why he did these crimes. He told me I was lying and everybody loved him."
Mr Morel refused to speak to The Independent. A man in Tel Aviv who identified himself as Mr Morel's son said his father did not talk to journalists"
Israel protects concentration camp boss
Bullshit, all the fighting aged Polish soldier patriots like Armia Krajowa were killed, or imprisoned by the UB run by Jews like Jakub Berman, Roman Romkowski, Jozef Rozanski, they even killed Polish patriot Witold Pilecki who volunteered to be captured at Auschwitz, to document the Holocaust, and tell the Allies about the Jew Holocaust, he also fought against Nazis in the Warsaw Uprising.
Jews
Roman Romkowski, and Jozef Rozanski tortured, and sentenced Witold Pilecki to death.
Litwin
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do you think that Muscovite occupants acted differently in Belarus, Baltics, Ukraine ? who the hack they fought up to 70th? and Ukrainian UPA killed EVEN Muscovite FRONT COMMANDER?No, the fact is that Poles are cowards with mentality of bankers , commie Poland got from Koba really a lot, ports which they never had, best lands in Germany , Parts of Belarus republic (Bielastok) BSSR , etc.
this is one is a much better example of very complicated relations between Poles and Jews
"
AN EXTRADITION request by Polish authorities for an alleged former commander of a Stalinist-era detention camp now living in Tel Aviv has been rejected by Israel.
Salomon Morel is wanted by the prosecutor's office in the southern Polish city of Katowice. He is charged with crimes against humanity while he was commander of the Swietochlowice camp where more than 3,000 prisoners, mainly Germans, but also including several citizens of allied and neutral nations, were held during 1945.
A reply sent to the Polish Justice Ministry from Israeli authorities said that Israel would not extradite Mr Morel. Officials said the crimes with which he is charged are not perceived in Israel as genocide, and so are subject to the statute of limitations, the Polish news agency PAP reported.
The demand by Polish authorities for Mr Morel's extradition is the second attempt this month to bring back former Communist officials. The Polish military prosecutor in Warsaw recently issued an arrest warrant for Helena Brus, formerly Wolinska, now married to an Oxford don.
During the 1950s Ms Wolinska worked as a military prosecutor in Warsaw, issuing arrest warrants. Many of those detained under her orders were later hanged. Both Mr Morel and Mrs Brus are Jewish.
Swietochlowice was set up by the Soviet NKVD - forerunner of the KGB - after the Red Army's liberation of southern Poland. The camp was later handed over to the Polish secret service, the notorious UB.
Stalin's policy was to put Jews in charge of camps. Their experiences during the Nazi Holocaust would mean that Germans and Poles held there could expect little mercy. More than half of the 3,000 prisoners at Swietochlowice were murdered or died there, according to PAP.
Dorota Boriczek, a camp survivor, remembers Salomon Morel as a barbaric and cruel man who, with his colleagues, was responsible for many killings of inmates. "I knew Morel in the camp. He was a very brutal man. He was young then. He would come in at night. We could hear the cries of the men then. They would beat them and throw the bodies out of the window," Mrs Boriczek, now 68 and living in Ludswigberg, Germany, told The Independent.
"I was taken there when I was 14, with my mother. I still don't know why we were there and I still want to know. They told us when we arrived, `You are here, and you are here to die, although nobody will shoot you, because ammunition is too expensive'."
Conditions in the camp were horrific, said Mrs Boriczek, who has begun a legal process in Katowice to try to find out why she was sent to the camp.
"There was nothing to eat, a hunger that you cannot imagine. We were lucky to have a piece of bread once a day, nothing else, and water. Both my mother and I had typhus. We were separated and I didn't know she was alive. I had a high fever and when I opened my eyes, I was sleeping next to a lady from Switzerland. I slept with her under one blanket. I was happy that she was dead, because that meant I could have her blanket."
Mr Morel, born in 1919, lost much of his family in the Holocaust before joining the partisans, in his case a Jewish military unit, according to John Sack, the American author of An Eye for An Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945.
In 1995, 50 years after her imprisonment at Swietochlowice, Mrs Boriczek saw Mr Morel in the Katowice prosecutor's office. She said she felt more pity than hatred.
"I hated him all my life and then when I saw him I saw an old, fat man. I could see he was ill. I would even have given him my hand. I asked him why he did these crimes. He told me I was lying and everybody loved him."
Mr Morel refused to speak to The Independent. A man in Tel Aviv who identified himself as Mr Morel's son said his father did not talk to journalists"
Israel protects concentration camp boss
Bullshit, all the fighting aged Polish soldier patriots like Armia Krajowa were killed, or imprisoned by the UB run by Jews like Jakub Berman, Roman Romkowski, Jozef Rozanski, they even killed Polish patriot Witold Pilecki who volunteered to be captured at Auschwitz, to document the Holocaust, and tell the Allies about the Jew Holocaust, he also fought against Nazis in the Warsaw Uprising.
Jews
Roman Romkowski, and Jozef Rozanski tortured, and sentenced Witold Pilecki to death.
"In March 1944, UPA insurgents mortally wounded front commander Army General Nikolai Vatutin, ....of Kiev.[81] Several weeks later an NKVD battalion was annihilated by the UPA near Rivne....
Areas of UPA activity were depopulated. The estimates on numbers deported vary; officially Soviet archives state that between 1944 and 1952 a total of 182,543 people[88][89] were deported while other sources indicate the number may have been as high as to 500,000.[90]
Mass arrests of suspected UPA informants or family members were conducted; between February 1944 and May 1946 over 250,000 people were arrested in Western Ukraine.[91] Those arrested typically experienced beatings or other violence. Those suspected of being UPA members underwent torture; (reports exist of some prisoners being burned alive). The many arrested women believed to be affiliating with the UPA were subjected to torture, deprivation, and rape at the hands of Soviet security in order to "break" them and get them to reveal UPA members' identities and locations or to turn them into Soviet double-agents.[57] Mutilated corpses of captured rebels were put on public display.[67] Ultimately, between 1944 and 1952 as many as 600,000 people may have been arrested in Western Ukraine, with about one third executed and the rest imprisoned or exiled.[92]
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Ukrainian Insurgent Army - Wikipedia
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