Public Unions are screwing this country over

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CDC Makes The Case For Schools Reopening
January 26, 20215:46 PM ET

Data from K-12 schools that reopened for in-person instruction in the fall show little evidence that schools contributed meaningfully to the spread of COVID-19, according to a new article published Tuesday in JAMA, the journal of the American Medical Association.

The overview from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, authored by three of its scientists, represents the clearest view yet of the facts behind what has become a heated debate over when and how schools should reopen.

Last spring and into fall, schools across the country closed — and many remain closed — out of fear that allowing students and staff to return to school buildings would drive communitywide spread of the virus, much as nursing homes and crowded bars have done.

The CDC report says data from reopened classrooms show that "the type of rapid spread that was frequently observed in congregate living facilities or high-density worksites has not been reported in education settings in schools."

Meanwhile, evidence mounts of the social, emotional and academic toll remote learning has taken on children, especially in already vulnerable, low-income communities.


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Chicago students still stuck at home as teachers, district squabble
By Brendan O'Brien 1 day ago

CHICAGO (Reuters) - The Chicago teachers' union told its members on Wednesday to remain at home and vowed further job actions if the district moved to discipline them, delaying a staggered reopening of schools that began earlier this month.

Pre-school and special education students, who had returned to classrooms on Jan. 11, were told there would be no school on Thursday. And the return next week of some 70,000 elementary and middle school students to in-person teaching is now in question.

Chicago Public Schools, the nation's third-largest school district, has been trying to reopen its classrooms after students had been kept home for months by the COVID-19 pandemic.

The district, which oversees 355,000 students, ordered 10,000 teachers back to work on Wednesday despite a vote by 71% of union members to keep teaching remotely until a stronger health and safety agreement is reached.




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Now let's talk about the police unions. You want to know why so many bad cops are still on the job after multiple incidents of misconduct? In many cases it's because the police unions (and teacher's unions) have made it next to impossible to fire a bad cop or teacher. And in many cases, the people who are supposed to be weeding those people out of our schools and streets are not doing their job. Why? Because they're democrats that get union campaign money to get re-elected.


Maybe instead of defunding the cops, people should defund the Democratic Party.
 
So you can't fire a cop?
Police are a group of private unions.

Police unions in the United States include a large number and patchwork variety of organizations. Of those unions which conduct labor negotiations on behalf of its police members, 80% are independent and have no affiliation to any larger organized labor groups.
 
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So you can't fire a cop?
Police are a private union.

I believe that is not true. All of them use collective bargaining with city, county, or state gov'ts to arrive at a labor contract. Which makes them public, not private unions. Private unions bargain with a company or business, and that is the difference.
 
So you can't fire a cop?
Police are a private union.

I believe that is not true. All of them use collective bargaining with city, county, or state gov'ts to arrive at a labor contract. Which makes them public, not private unions. Private unions bargain with a company or business, and that is the difference.
Police unions in the United States include a large number and patchwork variety of organizations. Of those unions which conduct labor negotiations on behalf of its police members, 80% are independent and have no affiliation to any larger organized labor groups.
 
Police unions in the United States include a large number and patchwork variety of organizations. Of those unions which conduct labor negotiations on behalf of its police members, 80% are independent and have no affiliation to any larger organized labor groups.
Are you attempting to stumble upon some sort of POINT?
 
So you can't fire a cop?
Police are a private union.

I believe that is not true. All of them use collective bargaining with city, county, or state gov'ts to arrive at a labor contract. Which makes them public, not private unions. Private unions bargain with a company or business, and that is the difference.
Police unions in the United States include a large number and patchwork variety of organizations. Of those unions which conduct labor negotiations on behalf of its police members, 80% are independent and have no affiliation to any larger organized labor groups.
Police Unions should be forced, by law, to operate as advocacy groups for police. And that's it.
 
So you can't fire a cop?
Police are a private union.

I believe that is not true. All of them use collective bargaining with city, county, or state gov'ts to arrive at a labor contract. Which makes them public, not private unions. Private unions bargain with a company or business, and that is the difference.
Police unions in the United States include a large number and patchwork variety of organizations. Of those unions which conduct labor negotiations on behalf of its police members, 80% are independent and have no affiliation to any larger organized labor groups.
Police Unions should be forced, by law, to operate as advocacy groups for police. And that's it.
Same with prison guards and teachers.
No more K St lobbyists.
 
So you can't fire a cop?

Look at the numbers, how many bad cops are still out there and have multiple misconduct reports and allegations against them. Cops can be fired, we saw it last year a few times but in some places it doesn't happen as often as it should. Case in point: the Minnesota cop who had his knee on George Floyd's neck for 8 minutes. He never should have been on the force IMHO, but the democrats in charge and the police union up there kept him in uniform and able to do what he did.
 
Even FDR understood the dangers of public employee unions:

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CDC Makes The Case For Schools Reopening
January 26, 20215:46 PM ET

Data from K-12 schools that reopened for in-person instruction in the fall show little evidence that schools contributed meaningfully to the spread of COVID-19, according to a new article published Tuesday in JAMA, the journal of the American Medical Association.

The overview from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, authored by three of its scientists, represents the clearest view yet of the facts behind what has become a heated debate over when and how schools should reopen.

Last spring and into fall, schools across the country closed — and many remain closed — out of fear that allowing students and staff to return to school buildings would drive communitywide spread of the virus, much as nursing homes and crowded bars have done.

The CDC report says data from reopened classrooms show that "the type of rapid spread that was frequently observed in congregate living facilities or high-density worksites has not been reported in education settings in schools."

Meanwhile, evidence mounts of the social, emotional and academic toll remote learning has taken on children, especially in already vulnerable, low-income communities.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chicago students still stuck at home as teachers, district squabble
By Brendan O'Brien 1 day ago

CHICAGO (Reuters) - The Chicago teachers' union told its members on Wednesday to remain at home and vowed further job actions if the district moved to discipline them, delaying a staggered reopening of schools that began earlier this month.

Pre-school and special education students, who had returned to classrooms on Jan. 11, were told there would be no school on Thursday. And the return next week of some 70,000 elementary and middle school students to in-person teaching is now in question.

Chicago Public Schools, the nation's third-largest school district, has been trying to reopen its classrooms after students had been kept home for months by the COVID-19 pandemic.

The district, which oversees 355,000 students, ordered 10,000 teachers back to work on Wednesday despite a vote by 71% of union members to keep teaching remotely until a stronger health and safety agreement is reached.




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Now let's talk about the police unions. You want to know why so many bad cops are still on the job after multiple incidents of misconduct? In many cases it's because the police unions (and teacher's unions) have made it next to impossible to fire a bad cop or teacher. And in many cases, the people who are supposed to be weeding those people out of our schools and streets are not doing their job. Why? Because they're democrats that get union campaign money to get re-elected.


Maybe instead of defunding the cops, people should defund the Democratic Party.

I guess you don't believe in due process?
 
80% are independent and have no affiliation to any larger organized labor groups.

Which doesn't make them private unions. I think the distinction is clear: if you negotiate with any level of gov't for your union contract agreement then you are a public union. If you are negotiating with a company or business or any other entity non-gov't entity then you are a private union. The point is than police unions contribute to the campaigns of those individuals who will serve their interests, I.E., mostly democrats by a wide margin. Therefore bad cops don't get fired as often or as soon as they should, as one big reason for that is the influence their union has over the politicians.

Or maybe you can tell me why the cop that kneeled on Floyd's neck for 8 minutes wasn't fired long ago. Or the other cases where we find out the cop involved in a suspect's death had previous misconduct allegations and charge against him but was still in uniform.
 
So you can't fire a cop?

Look at the numbers, how many bad cops are still out there and have multiple misconduct reports and allegations against them. Cops can be fired, we saw it last year a few times but in some places it doesn't happen as often as it should. Case in point: the Minnesota cop who had his knee on George Floyd's neck for 8 minutes. He never should have been on the force IMHO, but the democrats in charge and the police union up there kept him in uniform and able to do what he did.

Where did you get these numbers?
 

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