Public Schools & Teachers WTF

[Samson]

American Jihad, it seems as though you are against indoctrination, against flooding someone's consciousness with ideas that have a goal, an agenda, that are biased in favor of one perspective. But, in reading all your posts on this thread, it seems to me that is exactly what you are doing.

Um...no.

It seems as though you believe public resources are bottemless pits.

If expending these resources on fisting lectures and anti-semetic professors is "flooding someone's consciousness with ideas" then I suppose you wouldn't mind a publically funded lecture about the inferiority of the Black Race? How Queers are Deviant? A Man-Boy Love Promotion Campus Forum?

Answer the question honestly: You wouldn't mind at all having any of these subjects paid for through public funding?

 

[Unkotare]

If you were a well educated person, you would realize that it is a matter of perspective. Through the study of epistemology we learn to understand that one way of forming what we believe are truths or facts is perspective. Each individual human being perceives reality from a point of view that is influenced by culture, experience, language, emotion, etc. You don't have the one and only correct vision of reality. That the left or liberal version of reality is being forced upon you is your perspective, not reality..

Simply invoking the field of epistemology does not add any credibility to your specious attempt at relativism or your transparent attempt at denying the obvious.

 

[DGS49]

Esmeralda person (again):

I am a very "educated" person, thank you very much. BA, JD, MBA, in that order.

The following observations about Academe and U.S. culture have nothing to do with "perspective" and are factual. When I was in school, every public school class day started with the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance (including, "...under God..."), and the Lord's Prayer. A generation ago, abortion, homosexual sodomy, and gambling were illegal, and all of these prohibitions had extremely broad public support, largely due to the prevalence of Judeo-Christian values. Divorce was a painful and messy experience because "society" believed that it was intended and should be a lifelong commitment, and getting out of it SHOULD be difficult. Co-habitation and bastardy were quite rare, even without broad access to abortion.

Society believed - largely through the influence of activists like the late MLK, Jr - that everyone should be treated equally, free to succeed or fail on their own merits; hence success was lauded and failure, not so much. Victimhood as a veritable cultural religion had not been invented. Professional umbrage-taking was not a well-paid "profession" as it is today.

Governments - even the United States Federal government - acted as though they had a moral obligation to live within their means, and only ran deficits during time of war or other extreme conditions. Printing money and pretending that it breeds prosperity was an idiocy that was not germinated until very recently.

You buy into today's Liberal conceit that "history" includes only what you personally remember, and you seem totally ignorant of events and circumstances that are, historically speaking, quite recent.

The "religious, Christian theocracy" that you fear is nothing more than the status quo ante, one which Americans lived with quite happily until quite recently when we lost our fucking soul - due to people like you. It is not un-American to advocate the values that served us quite well for the first 200 years of our existence as a nation. Quite the contrary.

 

[bodecea]

Typical Long winded liberal spiel =

Your response indicates your intellectual level, which is obviously not one able to access the content and focus of the American education system. You are obviously a very simple minded person and cannot think in complex terms at all. Obviously not one to judge how education and learning works in America, or anywhere. Unable to understand anything beyond what you can fathom from the simple minded, single minded universe in which you live.

What's to understand.
Liberal UNIONISED public schoolteachers push a liberal agenda.
Reacting with violence, derision, abuse and intimidation of children who voice different opinions.
When the threats, derision, abuse and intimidation don't work, they declare the child disruptive and refuse to allow them into class until they are doped to the eyeballs with dangerous drugs.
Government stormtroops may be used to enforce administration of these potentially lethal drugs.

When a liberal professor incites students to commit mass murder against the children of members of the NRA he is celebrated!!

The entire liberal movement is a single issue movement.

Every obsession they have is geared toward legalizing the rape of male children by the Nambla funders of the liberal machine.

Oh, the Irony!

 

[American_Jihad]

Your response indicates your intellectual level, which is obviously not one able to access the content and focus of the American education system. You are obviously a very simple minded person and cannot think in complex terms at all. Obviously not one to judge how education and learning works in America, or anywhere. Unable to understand anything beyond what you can fathom from the simple minded, single minded universe in which you live.

What's to understand.
Liberal UNIONISED public schoolteachers push a liberal agenda.
Reacting with violence, derision, abuse and intimidation of children who voice different opinions.
When the threats, derision, abuse and intimidation don't work, they declare the child disruptive and refuse to allow them into class until they are doped to the eyeballs with dangerous drugs.
Government stormtroops may be used to enforce administration of these potentially lethal drugs.

When a liberal professor incites students to commit mass murder against the children of members of the NRA he is celebrated!!

The entire liberal movement is a single issue movement.

Every obsession they have is geared toward legalizing the rape of male children by the Nambla funders of the liberal machine.

Oh, the Irony!

You say that a lot, you must be a groupie...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zq7QBt9UGQ]Oh, The Irony - CLOSER - YouTube[/ame]

 

[psikeyhackr]

What evidence is there that the kids in districts that do well on these tests actually UNDERSTAND much?

too stupid!! they obviously understand a lot more than kids who don't do well on the tests!!

So you don't know the difference between MEMORIZING and UNDERSTANDING.

It can simply mean the kids that don't do well have not memorized what is on the test. I had at least memorized that the Sun ran on fusion when I was in grade school because of the sci-fi books I read.

But they never asked that on the tests. LOL In fact they never told me. But I had to memorize ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANISM.

Tests can be stupid.

psik

 

[Unkotare]

What evidence is there that the kids in districts that do well on these tests actually UNDERSTAND much?

too stupid!! they obviously understand a lot more than kids who don't do well on the tests!!

So you don't know the difference between MEMORIZING and UNDERSTANDING.

It can simply mean the kids that don't do well have not memorized what is on the test. I had at least memorized that the Sun ran on fusion when I was in grade school because of the sci-fi books I read.

But they never asked that on the tests. LOL In fact they never told me. But I had to memorize ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANISM.

Tests can be stupid.

psik

.........here we go again............

 

[Esmeralda]

What standardized testing does, primarily, is teach students to pass tests. It is not educating them, it is teaching them to perform. It's like teaching dogs to do tricks. They do the trick, but they don't understand the reason for or purpose of the trick. They don't link, intellectually, the trick to other tricks, it's just do this trick then do that trick. They don't learn to analyze the trick, they just perform. They don't learn to question or think for themselves. They don't learn to think in broader terms than the trick.

 

[Unkotare]

What standardized testing does, primarily, is teach students to pass tests. It is not educating them, it is teaching them to perform.

That is not necessarily so at all.











The liberal fear of accountability and personal responsibility seems to pervade all their 'thinking.'

 

[Samson]

What standardized testing does, primarily, is teach students to pass tests. It is not educating them, it is teaching them to perform. It's like teaching dogs to do tricks. They do the trick, but they don't understand the reason for or purpose of the trick. They don't link, intellectually, the trick to other tricks, it's just do this trick then do that trick. They don't learn to analyze the trick, they just perform. They don't learn to question or think for themselves. They don't learn to think in broader terms than the trick.

Ironically your post is a great example of the inability to have a broader perspective. Standardized testing does not exclude " thinking in broader terms."

 

[psikeyhackr]

Ironically your post is a great example of the inability to have a broader perspective. Standardized testing does not exclude " thinking in broader terms."

What something can be and what it becomes most of the time are two possible options.

I was working for IBM when they introduced the Datamaster 23. I wanted to know how much faster it was than the machine it replace the 5100. I had both devices on a table when I had some spare time on the night shift. I wrote two benchmark programs, a Bubble Sort and a Prime Number program.

The old machine was almost twice as fast on both benchmarks. I was really shocked. But then it occurred to me that I never saw any mention of benchmarks on IBM documentation at the time.

The problem is not testing. The problem is what the people running the institutions do with testing. Who decides that and how many people just accept AUTHORITY because they know authority is right?

psik

 

[Esmeralda]

What standardized testing does, primarily, is teach students to pass tests. It is not educating them, it is teaching them to perform. It's like teaching dogs to do tricks. They do the trick, but they don't understand the reason for or purpose of the trick. They don't link, intellectually, the trick to other tricks, it's just do this trick then do that trick. They don't learn to analyze the trick, they just perform. They don't learn to question or think for themselves. They don't learn to think in broader terms than the trick.

Ironically your post is a great example of the inability to have a broader perspective. Standardized testing does not exclude " thinking in broader terms."

Standardized testing means there is essentially one question and one answer. Those who prepare the tests believe they have all the questions and all the answers. Teachers spend the entire school year preparing students to pass standardized tests, and to do well so the school looks good and the public believes they are successfully educating the children. The school needs to look successful in the eyes of the public so they can continue to try to educate the children, but, unfortunately, as so much emphasis is put on their preparing students for the standardized tests, they have very little chance of doing so. Since standardized testing has become the god of public education in America, and is seeming to do so around the world, this endless, vicious cycle of spending so much time and engery preparing students to be tested and not having the time to actually educate them has become the norm.

If you could explain how stanardized testing teaches students to think in broader terms, when the tests have prepared questions and preconceived, expected answers, please do so; otherwise, your statement is nothing but pretentious hot air.

 

[Unkotare]

What standardized testing does, primarily, is teach students to pass tests. It is not educating them, it is teaching them to perform. It's like teaching dogs to do tricks. They do the trick, but they don't understand the reason for or purpose of the trick. They don't link, intellectually, the trick to other tricks, it's just do this trick then do that trick. They don't learn to analyze the trick, they just perform. They don't learn to question or think for themselves. They don't learn to think in broader terms than the trick.

Ironically your post is a great example of the inability to have a broader perspective. Standardized testing does not exclude " thinking in broader terms."

Standardized testing means there is essentially one question and one answer. Those who prepare the tests believe they have all the questions and all the answers.

You've got a strange and oddly intense prejudice about this.

 

[American_Jihad]

Black Professor Reprimanded for Targeting White Males as Racist

December 9, 2013 by Sara Dogan

■Minneapolis Community and Technical College has issued a formal reprimand to African-American professor Shannon Gibney charging that her comments in class “single[d] out white male students” and thereby “created a hostile learning environment” for these pupils. Gibney claims that the students took her lecture on “structural racism” personally and filed a racial discrimination complaint after she challenged them to do so. In a letter appended to Gibney’s file, the College’s Vice President of Academic Affairs held that it is “troubling that the manner in which you led a discussion on the very important topic of structural racism alienated two students who may have been most in need of learning about this subject.” This latest charge is Gibney’s second formal reprimand for racial discrimination against white students. In 2009, MCTC issued an earlier reprimand after Gibney was accused of targeting white male students on the campus newspaper staff for not working hard enough to eliminate racial bias from the paper. Gibney is currently suing MCTC in a class action lawsuit joined by six other faculty members.

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Black Professor Reprimanded for Targeting White Males as Racist | FrontPage Magazine

 

[initforme]

If we are so in love with testing then

1). Teach ONLY to the test. Give practice tests very very similar to the ones given.
2). Teachers should know exactly what concepts and how many of each concept are on the test. Then let them teach ONLY those concepts and the whole curriculum is ONLY those concepts and THOSE types of problems.
3). Find some type of motivation for the kids to WANT to perform. How many kids that don't care don't bother to even read the questions and simply mark down some random answer? I believe those scores should be thrown out as they bring down the average.
4). When a student scores well, perhaps a monetary reward via the taxpayers?

Food for thought. You cannot have it both ways. You going to make tests so important then students should be taught only to the test. Otherwise WHAT IS THE POINT? Those who clamor for tests as a judgment of a school simply can't come up with a better idea. Mental midgets you might say.

 

[Unkotare]

If we are so in love with testing then

1). Teach ONLY to the test. Give practice tests very very similar to the ones given.
2). Teachers should know exactly what concepts and how many of each concept are on the test. Then let them teach ONLY those concepts and the whole curriculum is ONLY those concepts and THOSE types of problems.
3). Find some type of motivation for the kids to WANT to perform. How many kids that don't care don't bother to even read the questions and simply mark down some random answer? I believe those scores should be thrown out as they bring down the average.
4). When a student scores well, perhaps a monetary reward via the taxpayers?

Food for thought. You cannot have it both ways. You going to make tests so important then students should be taught only to the test. Otherwise WHAT IS THE POINT? Those who clamor for tests as a judgment of a school simply can't come up with a better idea. Mental midgets you might say.

Thanks for that ignorant, insipid post, professor.

 

[initforme]

What is your alternative to teaching solely to the test? If you are going to judge students and teachers solely on test results do they not have the right to prepare over and over for the test? Perhaps you have some insights then.....I for one see tests as a very poor way to judge a school. It should be only a very small way to look at it.

 

[Unkotare]

You're, what, 15 or so?

 

[American_Jihad]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwiaW-N7qWg]Atrocity - YouTube[/ame]

Atrocity​

January 31, 2014 by David Horowitz


There is a human tragedy smoldering in America’s inner cities. Twelve million poor children, mainly black and Hispanic, are trapped in failing government schools that are teaching them nothing. As a result, they will never get a chance at a middle-class life. Virtually every school board and every administration in inner city districts is controlled by Democrats, and has been for over fifty years. Everything that is wrong with inner city schools that policy can fix, Democrats are responsible for.

How bad is the inner-city school crisis? Almost half of black students in public schools, and almost half of Hispanic students drop out before graduation and fail to earn a diploma.[1] The dropout rates are especially high in urban areas with large minority populations, including such academic disaster zones as Washington, DC (57%), Trenton (59%), Camden (61.4%), Baltimore (65.4%), Cleveland (65.9%), and Detroit (75.1%).[2] As a result of high dropout rates, black and Hispanic students in these urban centers are denied the American dream and condemned to spend their lives in grinding poverty instead.

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This is a social atrocity that has to be stopped. ”Atrocity” is the first web ad created by an organization I have created called Go For the Heart. I chose Atrocity to be our first project because what’s happening to poor mainly black and Hispanic children in our public schools is an atrocity, and it is one around which there is a great media silence. That is because the atrocity is being committed by the Democratic Party and its union supporters. “Atrocity” is an attempt to break that silence.

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Atrocity | FrontPage Magazine

 

[American_Jihad]

Arne Duncan: You’re a Liar, Common Core Will Destroy American Education

Feb. 26, 2014
Pat Gray

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For example, Gates explained [emphasis added]:

“…identifying common standards is not enough. We’ll know we’ve succeeded when the curriculum and the tests are aligned to these standards. To create just these kinds of tests—next-generation assessments aligned to the common core. When the tests are aligned to the common standards, the curriculum will line up as well—and that will unleash powerful market forces in the service of better teaching.”

Wait, what? That will “unleash powerful market forces?” You mean, powerful market forces like, maybe, Microsoft?

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Gates added, “For the first time, there will be a large uniform base of customers eager to buy products that can help every kid learn and every teacher get better.”

Oh, and every CEO of Microsoft get even richer. I don’t have any problem with Gates getting richer, unless he’s doing it by using our children at school. No thank you.

We, along with Michelle Malkin and others, have explained the sinister data mining that the Department of Education outlined in a February 2013 report. The report contemplated plans to use techniques such as “functional magnetic resonance imaging” and “using cameras to judge facial expressions, an electronic seat that judges posture, a pressure-sensitive computer mouse and a biometric wrap on kids’ wrists.”

What were they planning to gain from all of that? In addition to the Microsoft product development possibilities Gates is excited about, the DOE was interested in “recognizing bias in sources,” “flexibility,” “cultural awareness and competence,” “appreciation for diversity,” “empathy,” “perspective taking, trust (and) service orientation.”

They will know your family’s politics. What could go wrong with the government having access to that information? They will know if you “appreciate” diversity. They will recognize your bias, and your children’s bias. Are you “aware” culturally? Are you culturally “competent?” I don’t know, but we’re going to find out.

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Arne Duncan: You?re a Liar, Common Core Will Destroy American Education | TheBlaze.com