Public Option is Unconstitutional

[Thinman]

Thinman, so what? Your opinion does not count. However, the opinions of the Pres, the Congress, and the federal judiciary do. Take your crying there.

Whoops! I must have hit a nerve.

Not at all. I just think your premise is unfounded. Your opinion, just to let you know, carries no weight. And medicare isn't free and works just fine. And so will health insurance reform. Let's move on. Nothing to see here, folks.

Which premise is that? The fact that I can choose not to drive, or the fact that, if the house bill is passed with a mandate, I can't choose not to have health care insurance without a penalty?

What about the Christian scientists, who don't believe in medical care, and what about the 20 year old, whose up to his ears in student loans? Maybe he has to forego a college education because he has to work fulltime in order to pay his healthcare insurance that he doesn't need.

Medicare isn't mandated.

And what's this, "Let's move on. Nothing to see here folks."
What's up with that? You sound like a security guard at a hospital emergency room.

 

[Ame®icano]

Whoops! I must have hit a nerve.

Not at all. I just think your premise is unfounded. Your opinion, just to let you know, carries no weight. And medicare isn't free and works just fine. And so will health insurance reform. Let's move on. Nothing to see here, folks.

Which premise is that? The fact that I can choose not to drive, or the fact that, if the house bill is passed with a mandate, I can't choose not to have health care insurance without a penalty?

What about the Christian scientists, who don't believe in medical care, and what about the 20 year old, whose up to his ears in student loans? Maybe he has to forego a college education because he has to work fulltime in order to pay his healthcare insurance that he doesn't need.

Medicare isn't mandated.

And what's this, "Let's move on. Nothing to see here folks."
What's up with that? You sound like a security guard at a hospital emergency room.

Medicare isn't mandated. However, there is a clause that says, if you opt out from Medicare, you may lose your SS benefits.

 

[Thinman]

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.

 

[Father Time]

The proposed health care legislation and the deathboard-public option is being compared to the post office and if that is so why doesn't the public option need a constitutional amendment like the post office needs in order for it to exist. Shouldn't we go the constitutional route first with this and create an amendment for it just like the post office and federal created roads?

The post office was not established with a constitutional amendment. Article One Section 8 gives Congress the power to make a post office.

 

[Thinman]

Not at all. I just think your premise is unfounded. Your opinion, just to let you know, carries no weight. And medicare isn't free and works just fine. And so will health insurance reform. Let's move on. Nothing to see here, folks.

Which premise is that? The fact that I can choose not to drive, or the fact that, if the house bill is passed with a mandate, I can't choose not to have health care insurance without a penalty?

What about the Christian scientists, who don't believe in medical care, and what about the 20 year old, whose up to his ears in student loans? Maybe he has to forego a college education because he has to work fulltime in order to pay his healthcare insurance that he doesn't need.

Medicare isn't mandated.

And what's this, "Let's move on. Nothing to see here folks."
What's up with that? You sound like a security guard at a hospital emergency room.

Medicare isn't mandated. However, there is a clause that says, if you opt out from Medicare, you may lose your SS benefits.

I found this:

You can get Medicare Part A at age 65 without having to pay premiums if you already get retirement benefits from Social Security or the Railroad Retirement Board, you are eligible to get Social Security or Railroad benefits but haven't yet filed for them, you or your spouse had Medicare-covered government employment, or if you are under 65, you can get Part A without having to pay premiums and you have received Social Security or Railroad Retirement Board disability benefits for 24 months or you have End-Stage Renal Disease and meet certain requirements.

While you don't have to pay a premium for Part A if you meet one of those conditions, you must pay for Part B if you want it. The Medicare Part B monthly premium in 2008 was $96.40.

Medicare Information - Guide to Medicare

Part A is hospitalization and part B is medical. So when I retire, I will have hospitalization free and I am free to choose my own doctor and pay for it out of pocket, or pay the Part B premium, or choose another insurance plan. I found nothing about possibly losing retirement benefits if I refuse medicare.

 

[Father Time]

Quote Hamilton, CG, and you will be much closer to reality. The Virginia and Kentucky resolutions and the Nullfication Doctrine have long been supplanted by the welfare and implied clause doctrines. Your version of the political compact ended like the South and Edmund Ruffin.

I like Jefferson - father of the Constitution and all that.

That was Madison, not Jefferson. Jefferson wrote the declaration of independence.

 

[Father Time]

The far rightists have been able to only post their opinions concerning the constitutionality of the public option. They are wrong, of course. The courts will rule against them if such lawsuits ever get past summary dismissal.

Because the courts have never ruled something constitutional when it clearly wasn't

 

[Skull Pilot]

We already have all sorts of regulation on cars, food, homes, and even to some extent clothes. And lo and behold, it hasn't brought on the end of the world.

really? is the government forcing you to purchase any of those items you metioned under threat of tax penalties or imprisonment?

Car insurance.

The government is not forcing you to buy a car is it?

 

[Skull Pilot]

What are you talking about??? What do you think Medicare does??? I would imagine that most medicare recipients choose the public option. It was made available to them in 1973, if I am not mistaken. And it works fine.

And by "it works fine'... you mean that where people get free medical care, 'it works fine'... of course, it's broke... can't be sustained and thus, IT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL...

But that's another issue...

Social entitlements are wholly unconstitutional.... that's an onctonrovertible fact. And this wholly rejecting the baseless assertiosn to the contrary.

Medicare isn't free and it isn't broke.

No medicare isn't broke. It just has billions of dollars in "unfunded obligations" which is politicospeak for "We got no money to pay the bills"

 

[Contumacious]

And by "it works fine'... you mean that where people get free medical care, 'it works fine'... of course, it's broke... can't be sustained and thus, IT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL...

But that's another issue...

Social entitlements are wholly unconstitutional.... that's an onctonrovertible fact. And this wholly rejecting the baseless assertiosn to the contrary.

Medicare isn't free and it isn't broke.

No medicare isn't broke.

CBS 60 Minutes

U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble?

Comptroller Says Medicare Program Endangers Financial Stability

It just has billions of dollars in "unfunded obligations" which is politicospeak for "We got no money to pay the bills"

No, you are the one using dumbassspeak because you can't handle the truth.

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[Dr Grump]

I just don't understand why you liberals will follow Obama blindly down another road that will cause this country to sink further into debt. Never mind...I know....

With almost every post you make, you prove the exact opposite...

 

[obama2ndterm]

Rep. Anthony Weiner’s (D-NY) office today released an internal study showing that 151 members of Congress “currently receive government-funded; government-administered single-payer health care — Medicare.” Of those 151 members, 55 are Republicans who also happen to be “steadfastly opposed [to] other Americans getting the public option, like the one they have chosen.” Included on Weiner’s list are anti-public option crusaders Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. Orin Hatch (R-UT), Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY), Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC), and Rep. Peter King (R-NY).
Perfect example of Hypocrites .
Huff[post

 

[California Girl]

Nobody is being forced to buy health insurance. To state such is pretty moronic!

I'm working on the theory that you're joking. You are joking, aren't you?

 

[NYcarbineer]

And by "it works fine'... you mean that where people get free medical care, 'it works fine'... of course, it's broke... can't be sustained and thus, IT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL...

But that's another issue...

Social entitlements are wholly unconstitutional.... that's an onctonrovertible fact. And this wholly rejecting the baseless assertiosn to the contrary.

Medicare isn't free and it isn't broke.

No medicare isn't broke. It just has billions of dollars in "unfunded obligations" which is politicospeak for "We got no money to pay the bills"

Look at this chart and then tell me if you need further explanation:

 

[Zoom-boing]

Nobody is being forced to buy health insurance. To state such is pretty moronic!

I'm working on the theory that you're joking. You are joking, aren't you?

Please don't encourage the stupidity by responding to it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Medicare isn't free and it isn't broke.

CBS 60 Minutes

U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble?

Comptroller Says Medicare Program Endangers Financial Stability

It just has billions of dollars in "unfunded obligations" which is politicospeak for "We got no money to pay the bills"

No, you are the one using dumbassspeak because you can't handle the truth.

.

Social Security and Medicare Projections:*2009 - Brief Analysis #662

The unfunded liability is the difference between the benefits that have been promised to current and future retirees and what will be collected in dedicated taxes and Medicare premiums. Last year alone, this debt rose by $5 trillion. If no other reform is enacted, this funding gap can only be closed in future years by substantial tax increases, large benefit cuts or both.

Who's the dumbass now?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124268737705832167.html

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/14/taxes-social-security-opinions-columnists-medicare.html

http://www.pbs.org/nbr/blog/2009/05/social_security_and_medicare_u.html

I stand corrected. Medicare has trillions not billions in unfunded liabilities.

 

[Contumacious]

CBS 60 Minutes

U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble?

Comptroller Says Medicare Program Endangers Financial Stability






No, you are the one using dumbassspeak because you can't handle the truth.

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Social Security and Medicare Projections:*2009 - Brief Analysis #662

The unfunded liability is the difference between the benefits that have been promised to current and future retirees and what will be collected in dedicated taxes and Medicare premiums. Last year alone, this debt rose by $5 trillion. If no other reform is enacted, this funding gap can only be closed in future years by substantial tax increases, large benefit cuts or both.

Who's the dumbass now?

How Washington Rations - WSJ.com

The 81% Tax Increase - Forbes.com

XChange - The NBR Blog

I stand corrected. Medicare has trillions not billions in unfunded liabilities.

Amazing, you have proven the comptroller of the currency wrong........NOT.


Look up the meaning of the word "DEFICIT SPENDING" when you get a chance.

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[Skull Pilot]

Oh so spending money we don't have to balance the books is what you want.

Isn't that the problem?

Government cannot continue to spend as it has. If deficit spending is your only answer then we will have more of exactly what we have now

I believe you are attributing quotes to me that are not mine. you might want to backtrack

 

[NYcarbineer]

CBS 60 Minutes

U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble?

Comptroller Says Medicare Program Endangers Financial Stability





No, you are the one using dumbassspeak because you can't handle the truth.

.

Social Security and Medicare Projections:*2009 - Brief Analysis #662

The unfunded liability is the difference between the benefits that have been promised to current and future retirees and what will be collected in dedicated taxes and Medicare premiums. Last year alone, this debt rose by $5 trillion. If no other reform is enacted, this funding gap can only be closed in future years by substantial tax increases, large benefit cuts or both.

Who's the dumbass now?

How Washington Rations - WSJ.com

The 81% Tax Increase - Forbes.com

XChange - The NBR Blog

I stand corrected. Medicare has trillions not billions in unfunded liabilities.

Medicare only goes broke if it doesn't increase revenues or cut back payouts. Just like any insurance company operating in a very inflationary environment. Just like your insurance I'm guessing. It would go broke in x number of years if it didn't raise its premiums or cut back on what it will pay for.

 

[California Girl]

Nobody is being forced to buy health insurance. To state such is pretty moronic!

I'm working on the theory that you're joking. You are joking, aren't you?

Please don't encourage the stupidity by responding to it.

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