Prophet speaks on shaken earth, redemption of God's Country, the United States of America. God has a plan for our broken nation.

[ActionJackson]

No, you presented your allegations and I rebutted them. Now present your evidence, or you fail. Either or.

I knew you didn't have it in you. You're the one who said that he didn't provide ALL OF THE FACTS. All I said is "prove it." Therefore, since you have nothing, I win the debate. You are dismissed.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

David Barton (born January 28, 1954) is an evangelical author and political activist for Christian nationalist causes.[1][2] He is the founder of WallBuilders, LLC, a Texas-based organization that promotes pseudohistory about the religious basis of the United States.[3][4][5]

Barton's work is devoted to advancing the discredited idea that the United States was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and rejecting the notion that the United States Constitution calls for separation of church and state.[6][7][8][9] Scholars of history and law have described his research as highly flawed, "pseudoscholarship" and spreading "outright falsehoods".[10][11][12][13]

Barton is a former vice chair of the Republican Party of Texas and served as director of Keep the Promise PAC, a political action committee that supported the unsuccessful Ted Cruz 2016 presidential campaign.[14]

David Barton (author) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Action Jackson fails again, just as I said he would.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Come on, Action Jackson.

 

[ActionJackson]

David Barton (born January 28, 1954) is an evangelical author and political activist for Christian nationalist causes.[1][2] He is the founder of WallBuilders, LLC, a Texas-based organization that promotes pseudohistory about the religious basis of the United States.[3][4][5]

Barton's work is devoted to advancing the discredited idea that the United States was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and rejecting the notion that the United States Constitution calls for separation of church and state.[6][7][8][9] Scholars of history and law have described his research as highly flawed, "pseudoscholarship" and spreading "outright falsehoods".[10][11][12][13]

Barton is a former vice chair of the Republican Party of Texas and served as director of Keep the Promise PAC, a political action committee that supported the unsuccessful Ted Cruz 2016 presidential campaign.[14]

David Barton (author) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That has nothing to do with refuting Barton's evidence. That simply gives some of his background. Plus Wikipedia is a far left organization that rarely presents both sides of an issue.

Now prove him wrong or you lose.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It's easy to refute Action Jackson and David Barton. Jay W. Richards, a conservative at the Christian Discovery Institute, accuses Barton of being embarrassing, of factual errors, conspiracy bias, and wrong-headed claims.​

​

Accuracy[edit]​

Barton's official biography describes him as "an expert in historical and constitutional issues".[56] Barton holds no formal credentials in history or law, and scholars dispute the accuracy and integrity of his assertions about history, accusing him of practicing misleading historical revisionism, "pseudoscholarship" and spreading "outright falsehoods".[11][12][13] According to the New York Times, "Many professional historians dismiss Mr. Barton, whose academic degree is in Christian Education from Oral Roberts University, as a biased amateur who cherry-picks quotes from history and the Bible."[10]

Jay W. Richards, senior fellow at the Christian conservative Discovery Institute, said in 2012 that Barton's books and videos are full of "embarrassing factual errors, suspiciously selective quotes, and highly misleading claims."[57] The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Barton's work as "anti-gay" "historical revisionism", noting that Barton has no formal training in history.[18] A number of writers have called Barton's work "pseudohistory",[58][59][60] though this designation has been disputed by Robert Knight of the evangelical Coral Ridge Ministries.[61]

"Unconfirmed Quotations"[edit]​

In 1995, in response to criticism by historian Robert Alley, Barton conceded, in an online article titled "Unconfirmed Quotations",[6] that he had not located primary sources for 11 alleged quotes from James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and U.S. Supreme Court decisions (hence, the title of the article), but maintained that the quotes were "completely consistent" with the views of the Founders. (By 2007, the article listed 14 unconfirmed quotations.)[62] In 1996, Rob Boston of Americans United for Separation of Church and State accused Barton of "shoddy workmanship" and said that, despite these and other corrections, Barton's work "remains rife with distortions of history and court rulings".[63] WallBuilders responded to its critics by saying that Barton followed "common practice in the academic community" in citing secondary sources, and that in publishing "Unconfirmed Quotations", Barton's intent was to raise the academic bar in historical debates pertinent to public policy.[62]

In 2006, Barton told the Texas Monthly, with regard to Jefferson's famous letter to the Danbury Baptists, that he had never misquoted the letter in any of his publications. The magazine noted that this denial was contradicted by a 1990 version of Barton's video America's Godly Heritage, in which Barton said:[6]

On January 1, 1802, Jefferson wrote to that group of Danbury Baptists, and in this letter, he assured them—he said the First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between church and state, he said, but that wall is a one-directional wall. It keeps the government from running the church, but it makes sure that Christian principles will always stay in government.

The Jefferson Lies[edit]​

In 2012, Barton's New York Times bestseller[64] The Jefferson Lies: Exposing the Myths You've Always Believed About Thomas Jefferson (published April 10, 2012)[65] was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website.[66] A group of ten conservative Christian professors reviewed the work and reported negatively on its claims, saying that Barton misstated facts about Jefferson.[57][67]

In August 2012, Christian publisher Thomas Nelson withdrew the book from publication and stopped production, announcing that they had "lost confidence in the book's details" and "learned that there were some historical details included in the book that were not adequately supported."[68][69] A senior executive said that Thomas Nelson could not stand by the book because "basic truths just were not there."[28] Glenn Beck, who wrote the foreword, announced that his Mercury Ink imprint would issue a new edition of the book[70] once the 17,000 remaining copies that Barton bought of the Thomas Nelson edition had been sold.[71]

A revised edition of The Jefferson Lies was published by WND Books in January 2016.[72]

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Are you still trying to correct Russel Nelson, A J?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Glenn republished Barton's withdrawn book. I like Glenn a lot. He is funny, very funny, in person. He is part of the EBT and JFS and Cleon Skousen group of Mormon history types who are just screwed up about American culture.

Listen to Elders Monson and Nelson. Except on LGBTQ+; they are screwy about that.

 

[ActionJackson]

It's easy to refute Action Jackson and David Barton. Jay W. Richards, a conservative at the Christian Discovery Institute, accuses Barton of being embarrassing, of factual errors, conspiracy bias, and wrong-headed claims.​

​

Accuracy[edit]​

Barton's official biography describes him as "an expert in historical and constitutional issues".[56] Barton holds no formal credentials in history or law, and scholars dispute the accuracy and integrity of his assertions about history, accusing him of practicing misleading historical revisionism, "pseudoscholarship" and spreading "outright falsehoods".[11][12][13] According to the New York Times, "Many professional historians dismiss Mr. Barton, whose academic degree is in Christian Education from Oral Roberts University, as a biased amateur who cherry-picks quotes from history and the Bible."[10]

Jay W. Richards, senior fellow at the Christian conservative Discovery Institute, said in 2012 that Barton's books and videos are full of "embarrassing factual errors, suspiciously selective quotes, and highly misleading claims."[57] The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Barton's work as "anti-gay" "historical revisionism", noting that Barton has no formal training in history.[18] A number of writers have called Barton's work "pseudohistory",[58][59][60] though this designation has been disputed by Robert Knight of the evangelical Coral Ridge Ministries.[61]

"Unconfirmed Quotations"[edit]​

In 1995, in response to criticism by historian Robert Alley, Barton conceded, in an online article titled "Unconfirmed Quotations",[6] that he had not located primary sources for 11 alleged quotes from James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and U.S. Supreme Court decisions (hence, the title of the article), but maintained that the quotes were "completely consistent" with the views of the Founders. (By 2007, the article listed 14 unconfirmed quotations.)[62] In 1996, Rob Boston of Americans United for Separation of Church and State accused Barton of "shoddy workmanship" and said that, despite these and other corrections, Barton's work "remains rife with distortions of history and court rulings".[63] WallBuilders responded to its critics by saying that Barton followed "common practice in the academic community" in citing secondary sources, and that in publishing "Unconfirmed Quotations", Barton's intent was to raise the academic bar in historical debates pertinent to public policy.[62]

In 2006, Barton told the Texas Monthly, with regard to Jefferson's famous letter to the Danbury Baptists, that he had never misquoted the letter in any of his publications. The magazine noted that this denial was contradicted by a 1990 version of Barton's video America's Godly Heritage, in which Barton said:[6]

The Jefferson Lies[edit]​

In 2012, Barton's New York Times bestseller[64] The Jefferson Lies: Exposing the Myths You've Always Believed About Thomas Jefferson (published April 10, 2012)[65] was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website.[66] A group of ten conservative Christian professors reviewed the work and reported negatively on its claims, saying that Barton misstated facts about Jefferson.[57][67]

In August 2012, Christian publisher Thomas Nelson withdrew the book from publication and stopped production, announcing that they had "lost confidence in the book's details" and "learned that there were some historical details included in the book that were not adequately supported."[68][69] A senior executive said that Thomas Nelson could not stand by the book because "basic truths just were not there."[28] Glenn Beck, who wrote the foreword, announced that his Mercury Ink imprint would issue a new edition of the book[70] once the 17,000 remaining copies that Barton bought of the Thomas Nelson edition had been sold.[71]

A revised edition of The Jefferson Lies was published by WND Books in January 2016.[72]

Again. An attack on his character doesn't refute the evidence. Also, blurting out claims that his workmanship is "shoddy" or that his claims are false mean ZERO unless and until his claims are PROVEN wrong. Once again, you fail! You are again, dismissed.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It is an attack on his history writing and research abilities.

David Barton is not an expert in any sense of the word.

He has a right to his opinion, and that's all it is.

 

[ActionJackson]

It is an attack on his history writing and research abilities.

David Barton is not an expert in any sense of the word.

He has a right to his opinion, and that's all it is.

He owns more of the original, founding documents than any other private collector in the world. Getting a degree at a woke University make an expert of anyone. A pig could get a degree at Harvard these days.

"David's library of original founding era documents and artifacts is the largest private collection in the world."

Library

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

He owns more of the original, founding documents than any other private collector in the world. Getting a degree at a woke University make an expert of anyone. A pig could get a degree at Harvard these days.

"David's library of original founding era documents and artifacts is the largest private collection in the world."

Library

No one cares, A J. The professionals in the field do not consider him as anything more than a bumbling dilettante in the field.

Glenn Beck loves him, and although I know and thoroughly enjoy Glenn's company, realize that he is part of the Cleon Skousen gang of LDS history revisionists, a small, deluded group, yes, but there it is. Glenn likes David a lot.

 

[ActionJackson]

No one cares, A J. The professionals in the field do not consider him as anything more than a bumbling dilettante in the field.

Glenn Beck loves him, and although I know and thoroughly enjoy Glenn's company, realize that he is part of the Cleon Skousen gang of LDS history revisionists, a small, deluded group, yes, but there it is. Glenn likes David a lot.

Hookers are considered "professionals." I don't give two hoots what some egomaniac with a Ph.D. has to say about Barton. I care where the evidence leads me. But that's where you and I differ BIG LEAGUE.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Hookers are considered "professionals." I don't give two hoots what some egomaniac with a Ph.D. has to say about Barton. I care where the evidence leads me. But that's where you and I differ BIG LEAGUE.

Barton's evidence is very poor, bias confirmed, and would not get you a college degree.

Barton is wrong. You are wrong. The founders would not be voting for the GOP or MAGA or the orange zero.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I can hear To-Pay Parker counseling the young ones to stay away from Orange Maga:

The Comanches Say We Are an Old People and a Proud People When the White Man First Came among Us We Were As Many as the Grasses of the Prairie Now We Are Few but We Are Still Proud for if a Man Lose His Pride Manhood He Is Nothing You Tell Us Now that if We Will Let You Send Us Away to this Place Called Fort Sill You Will Feed Us and Care for Us Let Us Tell You this It Is a Comanche Law That no Chief Ever Eats unless First He Sees that the Plots Are Full of Meat in the Lodges of the Widows and Orphans It Is the Comanche Way of Life this that the White Man Calls Charity Is a Fine Thing for Widows and Orphan

Don't let the Orange Maga turn you into Widows and Orphans.