Zone1 Proof that Democracy is mathematically impossible

the level of insulting done by a person is directly related to their IQ + EQ.
the more severe the insults, the lower that IQ+EQ score drops.
proven yet again by mikey this time.
Where the Democrats fuck up daily in fact is they target posters by name. This makes them feel smug and safe yet those of us debating issues see that their attacks on posters are their own downfall.
 
the level of insulting done by a person is directly related to their IQ + EQ.
the more severe the insults, the lower that IQ+EQ score drops.
proven yet again by mikey this time.
Bwaaaaahhaaaaaa......

This chart begs to differ.
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The People, acting collectively, are stupid. This is easily illustrated. Imagine a proposal to establish a national Minimum Wage of $50/hr. An election would be held to see whether The People support it or not. It would pass in a LANDSLIDE. Because, see my first sentence. A $50MW would be economically disastrous, bankrupting countless businesses and throwing millions out of work. But we would vote for it.

It is a common misperception that we elect representatives to vote the way we want them to vote on legislation and whatnot. This is not exactly correct. We elect representatives to educate themselves on the issues of the day, and on the other things that are decided in the legislature, and vote according to this added knowledge. We elect them because we believe that their outlook mirrors our own, and we trust that there will be times when we don't like something but they vote for it, because we presume that they know more about it than we do. That's what we elect them to do and pay them to do.

If I may, I would like to cite an example of enforced political stupidity. Nippon Steel corporation wants to acquire United States Steel corporation (not the correct corporate name). It is a great thing. If USS continues on its current path, it will be cannibalized and sold off in bits and pieces, and plants and mills will be closed within the next five years. Nippon Steel has pledged to invest BILLIONS into the company, closing no plants whatsoever. The WORKERS at USS are strongly supportive of the acquisition, but the United Steel Workers oppose it because their little empire is threatened. Biden-Harris oppose the acquisition because the union opposes it. President Trump opposes it because the reasons to support it are too complex to fit on a bumper sticker.

So it will fail. We are stupid, and our politicians patronize our ignorance.
 
That depends on if you are speaking of Democracy or a democracy
The fundamental issue of Democracies is that all citizens can vote on every issue the Government deals with. It is not voting for a person. This is so clear it is not clear to me why adults posting here seem not to know about this.

I will cite an example where I took part in myself. I was a director at the time of the CA Association of Realtors. I was not picked at large by my local members. I was hand picked by the Board President, with over 3500 members in it. When I voted at our meetings, 4 per year at the time, I worked there with agents whose scope was around 135,000 members. None of us talked to any of our local members. When we voted we alone were voting what WE wanted and with no thinking of what the members at our own board wanted. Congress does not pay a bit of attention to the wants of the citizens where they came from. Citizens who want to get things by the congress can only hope that a letter from them will cause the Congress person to vote for their issues over your issues. Even on this forum you will easily see there are a wide span of views. No one party can represent even this small forum. If you were in charge, you would never at any point take my word. I don't take your word so were I in charge at Congress, little you want would be advanced by me. And honestly were you in congress, you would totally ignore me too. That is the truth of how Congress works. If you think Harris wants what you want, you are unrealistic. She has at times said no Fracking. Now she wants it she claims. And if you have a view, she does not give a damn what it is.
 
Today I want to introduce this forum to a concept about what is called Democracy. First what is it? It literally means we all are citizens. We all have the ability to vote on each and every issue that is tasked to Government. Think of it as you think of marriage. The husband and wife have equal voice in all family issues. If they allow one of the pair of parties to do all decisions, they are not following democracy. Assuming the wife or husband is in perfect agreement is proven wrong by simply looking at reasons for divorces. Even happy marriages do not always operate in happy harmony. This is my introduction to all here to democracy.
Others come at this with fully developed explanations. To help you all learn about this, this video will be helpful.



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The fundamental issue of Democracies is that all citizens can vote on every issue the Government deals with. It is not voting for a person. This is so clear it is not clear to me why adults posting here seem not to know about this.
What you're describing is a pure democracy, which the US does not have; it is too burdensome for anything bigger than maybe a town council. We have a representative democracy, where each region votes for someone to represent the our and our neighbor's views to the central government.

I will cite an example where I took part in myself. I was a director at the time of the CA Association of Realtors. I was not picked at large by my local members. I was hand picked by the Board President, with over 3500 members in it. When I voted at our meetings, 4 per year at the time, I worked there with agents whose scope was around 135,000 members. None of us talked to any of our local members. When we voted we alone were voting what WE wanted and with no thinking of what the members at our own board wanted. Congress does not pay a bit of attention to the wants of the citizens where they came from. Citizens who want to get things by the congress can only hope that a letter from them will cause the Congress person to vote for their issues over your issues. Even on this forum you will easily see there are a wide span of views. No one party can represent even this small forum. If you were in charge, you would never at any point take my word. I don't take your word so were I in charge at Congress, little you want would be advanced by me. And honestly were you in congress, you would totally ignore me too. That is the truth of how Congress works. If you think Harris wants what you want, you are unrealistic. She has at times said no Fracking. Now she wants it she claims. And if you have a view, she does not give a damn what it is.
From your description, the Association of Realtors you directed was not a democracy.

You're not alone in your criticism of Congress. There is more than one mechanism in our system that leads to people feeling as if they aren't being heard, and there have certainly been plenty of legislators that have taken advantage of all of them. The system, however, is set up so that if enough people feel that way about a Senator or Representative, they get voted out in six or two years, tops. That is their incentive to listen to us; whether they do is your perfectly valid opinion.

And parties aren't part of the design. They are more or less independent institutions that aren't mentioned or considered in the Constitution, though some laws have grown up around them over the years. Parties are convenient groupings of constituents that band together over a common central issue, and their platforms and goals and who sits where all change over time as issues do. That means you're right that no party will ever fully represent any of us, individually or as a group.
 
What you're describing is a pure democracy, which the US does not have; it is too burdensome for anything bigger than maybe a town council. We have a representative democracy, where each region votes for someone to represent the our and our neighbor's views to the central government.


From your description, the Association of Realtors you directed was not a democracy.

You're not alone in your criticism of Congress. There is more than one mechanism in our system that leads to people feeling as if they aren't being heard, and there have certainly been plenty of legislators that have taken advantage of all of them. The system, however, is set up so that if enough people feel that way about a Senator or Representative, they get voted out in six or two years, tops. That is their incentive to listen to us; whether they do is your perfectly valid opinion.

And parties aren't part of the design. They are more or less independent institutions that aren't mentioned or considered in the Constitution, though some laws have grown up around them over the years. Parties are convenient groupings of constituents that band together over a common central issue, and their platforms and goals and who sits where all change over time as issues do. That means you're right that no party will ever fully represent any of us, individually or as a group.
Democracy is not mentioned in the Constitution. Republic is.
The Board I once was a director of was clearly not a democracy. But closer than Government is.
 
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So you have no clue what democracy is.
 
Democracy is not mentioned in the Constitution. Republic is.
The Board I once was a director of was clearly not a democracy. But closer than Government is.
Lots of things aren't mentioned in the Constitution. That's not a requirement.

Plus, a republic is a type of democracy. They all knew that.
 
Lots of things aren't mentioned in the Constitution. That's not a requirement.

Plus, a republic is a type of democracy. They all knew that.
To be a Democracy, the republic must encourage all citizens to vote on all issues. Not just the person.
 
To be a Democracy, the republic must encourage all citizens to vote on all issues. Not just the person.
Okay, well, I'm not going to debate what is apparently your personal opinion about it.

Just keep in mind that the political world does not agree with you, and has different definitions of the terms. If you find that people don't get you or you don't get them, there's a good reason that's why.
 
Okay, well, I'm not going to debate what is apparently your personal opinion about it.

Just keep in mind that the political world does not agree with you, and has different definitions of the terms. If you find that people don't get you or you don't get them, there's a good reason that's why.
Why claim the republic is a democracy? What is the point in saying that?
 
Why claim the republic is a democracy? What is the point in saying that?
Sure, ask me an honest and I'll give you an honest answer. There are lots of reasons, including because it is one, because knowledge is good, because knowing how our system works makes it stronger, and because I don't want you to look like and idiot.

There's also historical precedent. Democracy puts power in the hands of the people, and when bad actors want to take that power for themselves, the first thing they do is often to convince people that we're not really a democracy, so I'm not really taking anything from you, right? I'll take the power from those other people and fight for you! Put me in charge!

The way to keep that from happening includes reminding each other (even strangers over the Internet) that the power to make change relies with us, and the word we use for that is 'democracy.' Saying that's not us is the classic first move in weakening our system so an autocrat can take over.

That's why.
 
Sure, ask me an honest and I'll give you an honest answer. There are lots of reasons, including because it is one, because knowledge is good, because knowing how our system works makes it stronger, and because I don't want you to look like and idiot.

There's also historical precedent. Democracy puts power in the hands of the people, and when bad actors want to take that power for themselves, the first thing they do is often to convince people that we're not really a democracy, so I'm not really taking anything from you, right? I'll take the power from those other people and fight for you! Put me in charge!

The way to keep that from happening includes reminding each other (even strangers over the Internet) that the power to make change relies with us, and the word we use for that is 'democracy.' Saying that's not us is the classic first move in weakening our system so an autocrat can take over.

That's why.
That is like saying to me you like a movie actor and that makes them a star. The united states of America operates with 51 Governments. only 1 is in DC. I have voted for John Kennedy and it did not mean it was a democracy.
I will give you an example. Most Americans never voted for the many issues representatives vote for. Take Kamala Harris who voted against Fracking yet oil firms frack. She voted to open the border. America does not want open borders. I think some call us a Democracy to make them selves feel important. But we are definitely a Republic.
 
my interpretation of this guy's thesis is NOT that democracy is "impossible,' but that there are several "flavors' of democracy, including our own.
Let me try to illustrate why it is a Republic.
Take your own children. Can you imagine them voting on your decisions? We must obey all laws. We are not making laws. We are not courts. We are not the President We are not Senators. We are not representatives. But in Democracies the public operates with all of those functions as theirs.
 

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