Zone1 Proof Judeo-Christian Bible Written by Inspiration of God

[BULLDOG]

Sometimes it takes a little more than a basic knowledge, to understand the physics in the Bible. What we don't see, is seen by those scientifically inclined. Maimonides studied Genesis and realized that there were 4 seen dimensions, and 6 unseen dimensions. That was in the 12th century. Hawking finally agreed in the 20th century.

Astrophysicist, Hugh Ross, wraps it all up for us in his book, The Genesis Question. It removes all doubt...

Physics is physics

 

[Alter2Ego]

It doesn’t.

It just means that your “proof” isn’t convincing, as I said.

XponentialChaos:

Of course its convincing, including to you. So much so, that you've shown up in my tread trying to prove you don't believe it.

The only time members of the Religion of Atheism show up in a thread is when they realize their favorite fairytales (evolution and big bang myths) are being challenged by the authenticity of the Judeo-Christian Bible.


Alter2Ego

 

[The Irish Ram]

Physics is physics

How long was gravity around before the apple fell on Newton's head? How long has DNA been around before man discovered there was such a thing? Einstein was sure there were 3 dimensions and our universe was static. He could not have been more wrong. Hawking used his limited human knowledge to refute that and deduce that there were 10 dimensions. < God told Maimonides that thousands of years ago.

Moses is credited with penning Genesis. How you know it was inspired by God is that Moses had no idea what a dimension was, let alone it's properties. And, here is some science that our enlightened ones still haven't discovered yet. Dimensions can be stretched, rolled up, torn, burned up. Moses didn't know that. Hawking didn't know that. God knows it and documented it.
Science is only as smart as its next discovery, and it all leads back to the Creator.

 

[Alter2Ego]

You were doing good till you got to that plane part.

BULLDOG:

You sound desperate. A sphere and a circle are both round aka circles. What is it about that don't you get? And you've yet to explain how the Bible writer Isaiah knew this.


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Not sure if it is the best I can come up with, but it's enough to show you are full of shit.

BULLDOG:

School yard insults won't help your case. You deserve nothing better than an "F" = FAIL, for the tripe you posted in response to the questions in my OP.

Do better.


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Sure thing lady. It's your deer, you shot it. Just let me get my saddle off of it.

Yaaaawn.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Bull, draw a circle. It will look like > O. God sits above that circle we call earth:
Isaiah 40:22 "He sits above the circle of the earth..."

And btw, how long did science believe the earth was flat before they confirmed what God said all along?

 

[XponentialChaos]

XponentialChaos:

Of course its convincing, including to you. So much so, that you've shown up in my tread trying to prove you don't believe it.

The only time members of the Religion of Atheism show up in a thread is when they realize their favorite fairytales (evolution and big bang myths) are being challenged by the authenticity of the Judeo-Christian Bible.


Alter2Ego

Replying to a thread does not indicate that one finds something convincing.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Technically... anything which is true is the word of God as God is truth.

Assertion without evidence.

 

[luiza]

-----is that there is EVIDENCE of its divine inspiration

FAKE NEWS
Constantine rigged it to suit his political needs .
As for Paul of Tarsus .
He was just a rogue and made our dear Mr Trumpfy seem a Saint in comparison .

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The difference between the Judeo-Christian Bible and bibles from other types of religion is that there is EVIDENCE of its divine inspiration by the Abrahamic God. Bibles from other types of religions (eg. the Islamic Koran) are unable to provide evidence of divine inspiration because no such evidence exists.

The Judeo-Christian Bible contains some 2,000 prophesies that have been fulfilled, some written centuries before the fulfillment of the prophesied events. Secular history and archeology bears this out. In addition, Bible writers were privy to information that was not discovered by scientists and explorers until centuries later. Below are two such examples.

Example #1: Some pagan nations believed the earth was flat and that if people walked too far, they would fall off. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere. However, it was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe was led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 that this theory of a circular earth was proven as fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write:

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)


Example #2: Prior to the 17th century, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit. It was not until 1687 that Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. (Gravity is also the reason why humans can move around without fear of toppling off the earth into space.) More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration, Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing (indicating gravity), as follows:

"He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;..." (Job 26:7)


DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1. How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE (2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle) that Ferdinand Magellan confirmed it?
First to sail around the world
Ferdinand Magellan: the first to go around the world? : Explorers & leaders : Sea & ships fact files : Sea & ships : Explore online : RMG


2. How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing--indicating gravity--considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE (3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing) that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces?
Sir Isaac Newton


3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this information?


Alter2Ego

Regarding fulfilled prophecies, I believe you posted one before and I posted back that the date of the prophecy is in dispute but was most likely after the event. But, give me another one to refute. Nostradamus also made prophecies and people claim they came true. When you can claim thousands of years later an event matched a prophecy you can use any event you want and shoehorn it in. But regarding your circle bit, The Hebrew word used for "circle" is "khug", which can mean circle, compass, or vault. Some scholars argue that this refers to a spherical Earth, while others believe it describes a flat, circular shape based on ancient cosmology. Thus some unknown writer using that term is hardly proof of any god inspiration and is extremely weak sauce.

Regarding Moses and the earth hanging on nothing, so what? Matter of fact, the unknown writer thought the earth "hung". The earth doesn't hang on nothing, it revolves around the sun like other planets do in a vast universe. IF this was god inspiration, your god didn't want anyone to know about gravity? Some god who supposedly knows all.

 

[ding]

Assertion without evidence.

Couldn't care less what you believe.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Paradoxical#1:

No church (group of so-called religious leaders) has any control over what was written centuries prior to their existence. True, some of the Bible translators have attempted to insert and remove a few words here and there in order to make it seem like the Bible was saying what they would like for it to say. Trinitarian Bible translators are notorious for doing that. But their efforts have all failed because of the context to the verses they tried to manipulate.


Alter2Ego

Your god can't write something that is easily understood or about anything that would happen in the future such as nuclear wars, deaths at the hands of a Christian named Putin, gravity, science, disease?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Paradoxical#1:

That's why it's important that we all read the Bible for ourselves and see what it says. In that way, no religious "leader" can pull that con game with "it is stated in verse such and such." Demand that they show you the verse they are referring to. Then what you need to do is read the context to their cherry-picked verse. (Context refers to surrounding words, verses, and chapters.) The context debunks false religious claims every time. I will give you a few examples.

Trinitarians insist that the Abrahamic God is three persons combined into a single god (the Father (Jehovah), the Son (Jesus Christ) and God's Holy Spirit,. Their church "leaders" convinced them by cherry-picking verses and ignoring context. Below are three examples of cherry-picked trinity verses that I will quote from three different Trinitarian Bible translations. I will bold in black the words that Trinitarians routinely point out to me as proof that God is a trinity. I will bold in blue my clarifications.


EXAMPLE #1 of context ignored:

"In the beginning was the Word [Jesus the son], and the Word was with God [Jehovah the father], and the Word was God." (John 1:1 -- New International Version)


EXAMPLE #2 of context ignored: Jesus said the following.
"I and the Father are one.”" (John 10:30 -- English Standard Version)


EXAMPLE #3 of context ignored: After Jesus died, one of his disciples (Thomas) didn't believe it when several other disciples told him that they had met the resurrected Jesus. Below is Thomas' first meeting with the resurrected Jesus.

"{27} Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” {28} Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"" (John 20:27 and 28 -- Berean Standard Bible)


Paradoxical#1: Let me know when you're ready, and I will show you the context to those three verses that Trinitarians routine ignore. Remember, it is the context that enables a reader to get the correct understanding of what they are reading.


Alter2Ego

The Trinitarians are Catholics and Christians. It is a preposterous notion designed to elevate Jesus to not just a son of God, but THE God. This was so humans would be tricked into believing he was not a lesser god like the Greek gods.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Couldn't care less what you believe.

Typical defensive response from the rabid believers so they can keep their insanity.

 

[ding]

Typical defensive response from the rabid believers so they can keep their insanity.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Replying to a thread does not indicate that one finds something convincing.

XponentialChaos:

You showed up in this thread trying to cast doubt on the scriptures in my OP because the credibility of the Judeo-Christian Bible is a threat to your Atheist Religion philosophy.


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Regarding fulfilled prophecies, I believe you posted one before and I posted back that the date of the prophecy is in dispute but was most likely after the event. But, give me another one to refute. Nostradamus also made prophecies and people claim they came true. When you can claim thousands of years later an event matched a prophecy you can use any event you want and shoehorn it in. But regarding your circle bit, The Hebrew word used for "circle" is "khug", which can mean circle, compass, or vault. Some scholars argue that this refers to a spherical Earth, while others believe it describes a flat, circular shape based on ancient cosmology. Thus some unknown writer using that term is hardly proof of any god inspiration and is extremely weak sauce.

Regarding Moses and the earth hanging on nothing, so what? Matter of fact, the unknown writer thought the earth "hung". The earth doesn't hang on nothing, it revolves around the sun like other planets do in a vast universe. IF this was god inspiration, your god didn't want anyone to know about gravity? Some god who supposedly knows all.

Paradoxical#1:

I haven't posted any prophecies on this website in at least a decade. What are you talking about?


Alter2Ego

 

[XponentialChaos]

XponentialChaos:

You showed up in this thread trying to cast doubt on the scriptures in my OP because the credibility of the Judeo-Christian Bible is a threat to your Atheist Religion philosophy.


Alter2Ego

It isn’t proof.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Nostradamus also made prophecies and people claim they came true. When you can claim thousands of years later an event matched a prophecy you can use any event you want and shoehorn it in. But regarding your circle bit, The Hebrew word used for "circle" is "khug", which can mean circle, compass, or vault. Some scholars argue that this refers to a spherical Earth, while others believe it describes a flat, circular shape based on ancient cosmology. Thus some unknown writer using that term is hardly proof of any god inspiration and is extremely weak sauce.

Paradoxical#1:

Nostradamus didn't make any prophecies. What he did was write poetry in vague, general terms that could equally apply to any number of other events. This is confirmed by numerous sources.

"However, many scholars and experts have pointed out that the majority of Nostradamus’s quatrains are vague and open to interpretation, making them difficult to verify or debunk."



"Nostradamus wrote in Middle French, using vague words, metaphors, and obscure, dated references. There are dozens of different translations of his "Centuries" book, with many variations on different words and phrases. This wide variety of interpretations helps the prophecies come "true," since if one translation doesn't really support the historical evidence, another can often be found that fits better.

"Often even Nostradamus scholars can't agree on what he was trying to say. Several of the prophecies have been the result of simple ignorance of the language, history, or both."

Nostradamus: Predictions of Things Past

Nostradamus, the French "seer" and "prophet," understood that history repeats itself. He wrote his prophecies in such vague terms that people read whatever they want into them.

www.livescience.com

Alter2Ego