Zone1 Proof Judeo-Christian Bible Written by Inspiration of God

[BULLDOG]

BULLDOG:

Jehovah is not obligated to keep promises to people who turn bad after he promises to protect them. You are ignoring how wicked the King of Judah became and why Jehovah abandoned him to his enemies.

Isaiah 7:1​

Now in the days of Aʹhaz son of Joʹtham son of Uz·ziʹah, the king of Judah, King Reʹzin of Syria and Peʹkah son of Rem·a·liʹah, the king of Israel, came up to wage war against Jerusalem, but he could not capture it.

Isaiah 7:5​

For Syria with Eʹphra·im and the son of Rem·a·liʹah have plotted harm against you, saying:

Isaiah 7:6​

“Let us go up against Judah and tear it apart and conquer it for ourselves, and let us appoint the son of Tabʹe·el as its king.”

Isaiah 7:7​

“‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “It will not succeed, Nor will it take place.

2 Chronicles 28:1​

Aʹhaz was 20 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 16 years in Jerusalem. He did not do what was right in Jehovah’s eyes as David his forefather had done.

2 Chronicles 28:2​

Instead, he walked in the ways of the kings of Israel, and he even made metal statues of the Baʹals.

2 Chronicles 28:3​

Moreover, he made sacrificial smoke in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom and burned up his sons in the fire, following the detestable practices of the nations that Jehovah had driven out from before the Israelites.

2 Chronicles 28:4​

He also kept sacrificing and making sacrificial smoke on the high places, on the hills, and under every luxuriant tree.

2 Chronicles 28:5​

So Jehovah his God gave him into the hand of the king of Syria, so that they defeated him and carried off a great number of captives and brought them to Damascus. He was also given into the hand of the king of Israel, who inflicted on him a great slaughter.


You expected a righteous God such as Jehovah to reward wrongdoing? Really?


Alter2Eto

So God didn't know the king was wicked before he made the promise? Seems he's not that bright for a god

 

[Alter2Ego]

So God didn't know the king was wicked before he made the promise? Seems he's not that bright for a god

BULLDOG:

As usual, yet another senseless comment. Ahaz started out fine. People change, and that's what he ended up doing.

Next you will show up insisting that God knew Ahaz would change and become wicked.


Proceed.


Alter2Ego

 

[BULLDOG]

BULLDOG:

You are playing the fool. Gravity is invisible. The Bible is giving a viewpoint description of how earth looks when viewed from outerspace. It appears to be hanging upon nothing.


Alter2Ego

So God doesn't know invisible stuff exits? He sounds dumber with each of your posts.

 

[BULLDOG]

BULLDOG:

As usual, yet another senseless comment. Ahaz started out fine. People change, and that's what he ended up doing.

Next you will show up insisting that God knew Ahaz would change and become wicked.


Proceed.


Alter2Ego

A credible all knowing god would.

 

[initforme]

Those young adults foregoing getting married and having kids are doing gods work.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Paradoxical#1:

I haven't posted any prophecies on this website in at least a decade. What are you talking about?


Alter2Ego

Some other bibliolator did then.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Paradoxical#1:

Nostradamus didn't make any prophecies. What he did was write poetry in vague, general terms that could equally apply to any number of other events. This is confirmed by numerous sources.

"However, many scholars and experts have pointed out that the majority of Nostradamus’s quatrains are vague and open to interpretation, making them difficult to verify or debunk."



"Nostradamus wrote in Middle French, using vague words, metaphors, and obscure, dated references. There are dozens of different translations of his "Centuries" book, with many variations on different words and phrases. This wide variety of interpretations helps the prophecies come "true," since if one translation doesn't really support the historical evidence, another can often be found that fits better.

"Often even Nostradamus scholars can't agree on what he was trying to say. Several of the prophecies have been the result of simple ignorance of the language, history, or both."

Nostradamus: Predictions of Things Past

Nostradamus, the French "seer" and "prophet," understood that history repeats itself. He wrote his prophecies in such vague terms that people read whatever they want into them.

www.livescience.com

Alter2Ego

So ummm, "pierced for our transgressions" means Jesus was pierced on the cross?

 

[XponentialChaos]

XonentialChaos:

If what I stated in my OP isn't proof that the Bible is inspired of God (and I haven't even gotten to the prophecies yet), why are you still in this thread arguing about it and trying to win everybody else over?

The harder you argue, the more you demonstrate that you can't overcome what's stated in my OP.


Alter2Ego

Replying to a post is not proof that a claim is true.

 

[cnm]

So God didn't know the king was wicked before he made the promise? Seems he's not that bright for a god

And here was I thinking non-negotiable requirements for a Bronze Age god are omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence.

Oh well.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Paradoxical#1:

I don't recall providing any prophecies on this website. If I did, it would have been 10 years ago when I used to debate here regularly. I left this website over a decade ago and only recently returned.

You are confusing Bible prophecy with the writings of Nostradamus in which he wrote vague poetry that could be applied to any event. Bible prophecy is specific in describing events in exactly the manner they would occur--in the future. Nostradamus wrote about events AFTER they had already occurred, and people turned around and claimed he wrote prophecy.


As for your lame attempts at discrediting the scriptures in my OP, your argument fails in light of the fact the scriptural context at Isaiah 40 could not have referred to God being above a vault or a compass. The only option left would be circle. And guess what? A 20th century astronaut confirmed that earth looks like a circle when viewed from above. During his interview, he made no mention of the earth looking like a sphere even though, as a scientist, he knew earth is a sphere. He described what he saw as a circle, because that's how earth looks when viewed from above. It's a viewpoint description.

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell," (Isaiah 40:22)


Now, suppose you explain to everyone reading this thread how Isaiah, who was earthbound at the time, could have known this?



Alter2Ego

Do you not read my post(s)

But regarding your circle bit, The Hebrew word used for "circle" is "khug", which can mean circle, compass, or vault. Some scholars argue that this refers to a spherical Earth, while others believe it describes a flat, circular shape based on ancient cosmology. Thus some unknown writer using that term is hardly proof of any god inspiration and is weak sauce.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Actually, Paradoxical#1, despite your denial, the Creator is everyone's God whether they care to admit it or not.


Alter2Ego

As I say to your buddy ding, this is a mere assertion without evidence. IOW, a CLAIM, a belief.

 

[Alter2Ego]

So God doesn't know invisible stuff exits? He sounds dumber with each of your posts.

BULLDOG:

One more schoolyard insult from you, and you will land on my Ignore list where several other hard-headed people are waiting.

And guess what? When I send people to Ignore (which spares me the effort of scrolling past the tripe they post), I rarely, if ever, remove them from there. At one atheist-dominated website where I debate from time to time, there are over a dozen atheists on Ignore. They've been there for so many years that I don't even remember when I sent there.


Proceed.

 

[BULLDOG]

And here was I thinking non negotiable requirements for a bronze age god were omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence.

Oh well.

Just for the good ones

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Paradoxical#1:

I'm a Christian, and I reject the Trinity dogma because it's not supported by scripture.


Alter2Ego

You are an outlier then and the fact that you disagree with many other Christians only proves how whacked and uncertain and crazy the bible verses are and cannot be from any all-powerful creator.

 

[Alter2Ego]

As I say to your buddy ding, this is a mere assertion without evidence. IOW, a CLAIM, a belief.

Paradoxical#1:

I sent ding to my Ignore List over a week ago, so I don't know what buddy are you referring to?

 

[BULLDOG]

BULLDOG:

One more schoolyard insult from you, and you will land on my Ignore list where several other hard-headed people are waiting.

And guess what? When I send people to Ignore (which spares me the effort of scrolling past the tripe they post), I rarely, if ever, remove them from there. At one atheist-dominated website where I debate from time to time, there are over a dozen atheists on Ignore. They've been there for so many years that I don't even remember when I sent there.


Proceed.

 

[ding]

Claiming something to be proof doesn't make it proof.

Correct. Proof requires evidence, but not all evidence constitutes proof. Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Evidence is information that might lead one to believe something to be real or true.

For example the CMB is evidence of a massive paired particle production chain event that proves the universe was created from matter that was not pre-existing.

Another example would be the evidence of the laws that describe the evolution of space and time (conservation, relativity and quantum mechanics) also describing the creation of the universe is proof that the laws of nature existed before space and time.

 

[BreezeWood]

3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this information?

no person has ever spoken to the heavens in seclusion the metaphysical, spiritual make themselves known and understood to everyone equally without exception the same as for themselves ...

those tablets, claimed 10 commandments were never witnessed by anyone but moses who destroyed them and negates all three desert bibles as forgeries for their inclusion that could not possibly be known for their true content.

the desert bibles are anathemas to true religion as their false commandments hereditary idolatry religions of apartheid et al that is the true subject for the 1st century events and the simplicity the religious itinerant jesus understood very well - the way to the everlasting is to sin no more. as a clear statement all knew to be true.

the heavenly goal granted a&e for their admission to the everlasting self determination and not the persecution and victimization of the innocent perpetuated by all three desert religions and their corrupt 10000 page bibles is nearly as an important a goal as the heavenly goal itself.

 

[ding]

Paradoxical#1:

I sent ding to my Ignore List over a week ago, so I don't know what buddy are you referring to?

I love that I get it from all sides. It tells me I am on to something.

 

[Alter2Ego]

You are an outlier then and the fact that you disagree with many other Christians only proves how whacked and uncertain and crazy the bible verses are and cannot be from any all-powerful creator.

Paradoxical#1:

How is the Bible to blame for people's disobedience? There are no scriptures in the Bible that support the dogma of a 3-in-1 god aka Christendom's Trinity. Jehovah God gave people free will, and that's what some of them chose to do with it. They dreamed up false doctrines not supported by scripture.

I gave you three examples of so-called Trinitarian verses earlier in this thread (John 1:1, John 10:30, and John 20:27-28) and asked if you wanted me to show you the context. You didn't accept my invitation. Instead, you began attacking my OP.

When I showed ding and a couple other Trinitarians the scriptures that provide context to their cherry-picked verses, thereby contradicting their Trinitarian claims, they were not interested. ding gave me a verse of scripture with fabricated words that doesn't belong in the Bible. Those words don't appear in any Bible translation, except for the King James Version, because they are fabrications. When I provided ding with that information, along with the weblink to the source that confirms this, ding told me, in so many words, that he/she does not care.

When I asked the Trinitarians viewpoint questions to draw them out, they refused to answer the questions. They don't want to be corrected by scripture. So I banished them to my Ignore List to save me the effort of scrolling past their tripe.

2 Timothy 3:16​

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,