Progressive goals are Good

[Cecilie1200]

The Golden Age, the 50-60's, were when Dem tax tates and union pay rates were in force- Reaganism and voodoo got us here- see sig para. 1- and the Pub propaganda/bs machine has made dupes like it. That disgrace is imploding, dupes...thank God.

Ah yes, the Golden Age of Soviet spies, mutual assured destruction, segregation, race riots, undeclared wars, military-industrial complex, assassinations, Fidel Castro, Marilyn Monroe...

the percentage of middle class jobs with good benefits and the percentage of union workers was much higher then.

and tax rates were fairer.

Define "fairer". And it needs to be better than "the way I think it should be", just so you know.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Really, That's it? You're just sugar-coating it.


Here's what the progressives really want:

Progressives want unlimited government.

Progressives want re-disribution of wealth.

Progressives hate the Founding Fathers, the principles of the Founding Fathers stand in their way.

The Founding Fathers supported slavery and secondclass citizenship for women.

Then by all means, since the people whose ideas created and still define this country are SOOOO far beneath your standards, feel free to go live in a country whose founders are more acceptable to you. You can leave this shoddy, second-rate place to those of us who admire our Founding Fathers, instead of trying to change it to suit you and force everyone else to live in your private socialist Hell.

 

[Cecilie1200]

We were on our way till Conservatives started to screw everything up.

Darn those people who beleive in liberty and don't want the government running every aspect of our life. How dare they stand against the progressives.

If Conservatives believed in Liberty they wouldn't have supported slavery and segregation.

They wouldn't have opposed Womens' Suffrage.

They wouldn't oppose decriminalization of weed and assisted suicide for the terminally ill.

They wouldn't want the Feds spying on Mosques.

What I heard was "Blah blah blah conservatives suck because someone told me they did blah blah blah conservatives want bad things because someone told me they do blah blah blah give me my pacifier and change my nappy."

How about the rest of you?

 

[francoHFW]

See sig, hater Pub dupe.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

See sig, hater Pub dupe.

Everything in you signature is due to the LARGEST PROGRESSIVE FRAUD IN US HISTORY

It's called the Federal Reserve and Fiat currency, take a look at this graph and shove off.

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[Locke11_21]

What are the goals of Progressives?

Progressivism is rooted in Marxism, Marxism in rooted in satanism. The goals of progressives/marxists to destroy the nuclear family, destroy the church and belittle those of faith to the point they snatch believers from God through humiliation and intimidation, create class warfare, racial divide and intense envy, amongst many other tactics of the the mentally ill to accomplish their goal of a tyrannical marxist utopia.

I will quote the famous artist, Pablo Picasso, as it is a perfect quote for progressivism/Marxism:

"An artist must discover the way to convince his public of the full truth of his lies

Fairer taxation.

Fairer... Fair, an innocent but powerful word of the Marxist movement. This is a perfect example of progressives creating class warfare and contempt amongst the classes to accomplish one of their goals, which is all classes except them, the elitists, sharing in equal misery and suffering and giving them false pretense that one day they will get ahead if they conform to the mentally ill ideology of progressivism.

Higher wages for the middle class.

Higher wages all while the value of the dollar continues to go down due to progressives in both major parties. I notice one thing missing in your diatribe, and the progressive/Marxist diatribe...talking to the middle class about moving to the upper class. Instead, you need to create a permanent underclass and marginal middle class - all while crowing how you are for the middle class in hopes of duping them into voting away their paycheck and the constitution. Nowhere do you talk about moving to the upper class, instead you demonize the the upper class by calling them one percenters and demonize their success.

Cleaner air, water, and land.

If you believe this is just a progressive issue, you are completely wrong. Just keep in mind, it is progressives who want to bring over illegal aliens for votes, these illegals who litter, know nothing of recycling and who live very insanitary lives. But hey, all that matters is getting more votes all while you worship Al Gore leaving big carbon footprints with his private jets and mansions, and Mayor Michael Loonbird having an outside air conditioner attached to the window of his gas eating Chevy Suburban.

More jobs for the unemployed.

Yeah, the record high for the number of people who have dropped out of the labor force does a real good job of proving that. Not to mention your sides putting people on disability to lower the unemployment numbers

Education and training for the poor.

More like brainwashing and dumbing people down to where they are reliant on the government and have no ability to think for themselves.

Decriminalization of marijuana.

This is not limited to progressives.

What is wrong with these goals?

Everything. If you like this life style do us a favor and move to the Marxist dictatorship of your desires and leave America alone. Your views are all based on lies and deceptions, just as one of your like-minded brethren, Vladimir Lenin stated:

"We have to use any ruse, dodge, trick, cunning unlawful method, concealment and veiling of the truth. The basic rule is to exploit the conflicting interests of the capitalist states."

"First we shall take Eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia. After that, we shall surround and undermine the U.S.A., which will fall into our hands without a struggle - like an overripe fruit"

Your whole ideology is based on this, deception lies and creating false hope to those hoping to better their lives all while marching towards a tyrannical Marxist dictatorship.

 

[Darkwind]

you do realize that " progressive" and "good" are adjectives and are your opinion which are not necessarily shared by everyone else?

What are the goals of Progressives? Utter control of society by Government.

Fairer taxation. Define fairer. I'll bet you don't understand the word and are using a talking point you don't understand.

Higher wages for the middle class. Seems the 'Middle Class' are doing alright, they are the middle class after all. Just ask the poor. Why is it you clowns never address better wages or more jobs for the poor?

More benefits for workers. Will detract from the higher wages by reducing wages, lowering employee count, or driving business out of business. Have you seen the state of our states who have to pay for these poor benefits?

Cleaner air, water, and land. Everyone wants this. The socialist way is the wrong way to achieve it.

More jobs for the unemployed. You open with more benefits for employees,which will decrease jobs, a fairer tax system, which is code for more taxes on business, and you say you want more jobs for the unemployed, while pursuing a nation that regulates business out.

Education and training for the poor. I guess the middle class and the rich don't need education and training.

Background checks for all gun sales. We already have background checks for gun sales. What you want is to track sales between private individuals, but cannot point to any statistics showing the private sales of guns are a problem in this country.

Protect the Right to Choose. I agree. Choose to not have sex unless you are prepared to suffer the consequences of it. Otherwise, if you don't, then don't kill a fully developed baby and don't expect ANYONE to pay for it but you.

Decriminalization of marijuana. This is not exclusively a progressive stance. Many conservatives who think government has no business in many things, agree with the legalization of pot.

Decriminalization of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill. I agree with this too. Government should not have a say in this.



What is wrong with these goals? What is right about them?

 

[westwall]

What are the goals of Progressives?

Fairer taxation.

Higher wages for the middle class.

More benefits for workers.

Cleaner air, water, and land.

More jobs for the unemployed.

Education and training for the poor.

Background checks for all gun sales.

Protect the Right to Choose.

Decriminalization of marijuana.

Decriminalization of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill.



What is wrong with these goals?

Not a thing. It's the methodology you use, and the civil rights you destroy to obtain those goals, that are so fucked up.

 

[francoHFW]

BS- see sig, all FACT- Voodoo and pandering to the rich has RUINED the country. Worst rich/poor gap and Upward Mobility, worst savings EVER is no joke, fools. And that was before the W World Depression.
"Conservatives" are a fecking BS catastrophe these days. Kiss your azz goodbye in 2014-16...

 

[francoHFW]

What civil rights, dingbat? BS

 

[ScienceRocks]

BS- see sig, all FACT- Voodoo and pandering to the rich has RUINED the country. Worst rich/poor gap and Upward Mobility, worst savings EVER is no joke, fools. And that was before the W World Depression.
"Conservatives" are a fecking BS catastrophe these days. Kiss your azz goodbye in 2014-16...

If they keep attacking education, science, and our lead in technology. I might not even vote that way in 2014.

 

[francoHFW]

Count on it- for 30 years now...

 

[Erand7899]

so far only one person has questioned these goals in a reasonable way.

now tell me, what's wrong with a system that has more money in the hands of the middle class and a smaller poor class?

Nothing is wrong with the concept. The problem is that you don't have a clue as to how you can get there from here. Nor, do you have a clue as to what middle class means. If people are already middle class, they don't need your help.

The world has been trying to solve the problems of the poor for thousands of years, and no one has found the answer yet.

 

[westwall]

What civil rights, dingbat? BS

We used to have civil rights asshat. Then you progressive assholes began taking them all away in your never ending quest to turn this country into the next collectivist shit hole.

 

[The Rabbi]

Ah yes, the Golden Age of Soviet spies, mutual assured destruction, segregation, race riots, undeclared wars, military-industrial complex, assassinations, Fidel Castro, Marilyn Monroe...

the percentage of middle class jobs with good benefits and the percentage of union workers was much higher then.

and tax rates were fairer.

Define "fairer". And it needs to be better than "the way I think it should be", just so you know.

Fair equals from those according to their ability to those according to their need. Which is Marx's summation.

An actual tax system that was fair would 1) focus on raising revenue for the government rather than use the tax code for social and economic engineering, 2) treat every dollar earned equally.

 

[Immanuel]

Darn those people who beleive in liberty and don't want the government running every aspect of our life. How dare they stand against the progressives.

If Conservatives believed in Liberty they wouldn't have supported slavery and segregation.

They wouldn't have opposed Womens' Suffrage.

They wouldn't oppose decriminalization of weed and assisted suicide for the terminally ill.

They wouldn't want the Feds spying on Mosques.

Truthmatters, izzat you?

Only if she figured out how to use spellcheck and quite frankly I am doubtful TM is capable.

Immie

 

[Gardener]

Fair equals from those according to their ability to those according to their need. Which is Marx's summation.

An actual tax system that was fair would 1) focus on raising revenue for the government rather than use the tax code for social and economic engineering, 2) treat every dollar earned equally.

Adam Smith founded Capitalism and he agreed with progressive taxation based on increased income.

 

[The Rabbi]

Fair equals from those according to their ability to those according to their need. Which is Marx's summation.

An actual tax system that was fair would 1) focus on raising revenue for the government rather than use the tax code for social and economic engineering, 2) treat every dollar earned equally.

Adam Smith founded Capitalism and he agreed with progressive taxation based on increased income.

So sayeth Gardener, King of the Unsubstantiated Statement!

 

[JoeNormal]

In 1958, the top 3% of taxpayers earned 14.7% of all adjusted gross income and paid 29.2% of all federal income taxes. In 2010, the top 3% earned 27.2% of adjusted gross income and their share of all federal taxes rose proportionally, to 51%.
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In contrast, the share of taxes paid by the bottom two-thirds of taxpayers has fallen dramatically over the same period. In 1958, these Americans accounted for 41.3% of adjusted gross income and paid 29% of all federal taxes. By 2010, their share of adjusted gross income had fallen to 22.5%. But their share of taxes paid fell far more dramatically—to 6.7%. The 77% decline represents the single biggest difference in the way the tax burden is shared in this country since the late 1950s.
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It's hard to determine how much otherwise taxable income disappeared through tax shelters in the 1950s. As a result, direct comparisons between the 1950s and now are difficult. However, it is worth noting that from 1958 to 2010, the taxes paid by the top 3% of earners, as a percentage of total personal income (which can't be reduced by shelters), increased to 3.96% from 2.72%, while the percentage paid by the bottom two-thirds of filers fell to 0.51% in 2010 from 2.7%. This starker division of relative tax burdens can be explained by the inability of upper-income groups to shelter income.

Peter Schiff: The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate - WSJ.com

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. All this dancing around the issue without getting to the heart of it. Gee, maybe this Rupert Murdoch owned publication has become a propaganda rag. The real reason that the percentage of total taxes the rich pay has stayed the same in spite of lowered tax rates is because of wealth disparity. The top X% has MUCH more of the wealth than the bottom Y% than they did in the 50's.

 

[westwall]

Fair equals from those according to their ability to those according to their need. Which is Marx's summation.

An actual tax system that was fair would 1) focus on raising revenue for the government rather than use the tax code for social and economic engineering, 2) treat every dollar earned equally.

Adam Smith founded Capitalism and he agreed with progressive taxation based on increased income.