CDZ Programs opposed by Conservatives that were successes

[rightwinger]

Environmental Protection was passed nearly unanimously and signed by Nixon. Since that time, Conservatives have turned against it to the point Trump refuses to enforce it

EPA has ensured we have clean air, rivers, uncontaminated land

I believe you are wrong here. Like with almost any government program, the bureaucrats went regulation crazy and started passing regulations that did little good but came with an exorbitant cost.

Everyone wants clean air and water. But we simply cannot afford PRISTINE air and water.

Mark

EPA set strict standards
Yea , we know it saves you money dumping your contaminants directly in the river

It has been a major success
I remember pre 1970 America

 

[anynameyouwish]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

Conservatives fought tooth and nail against all of them but they have proven to be such successes that even Republicans support them today

and end to slavery
an end to jim crow
an end to separate but equal
no more back of the bus
no more christian indoctrination in public schools.

and even conservatives would vote for a WOMAN (palin) or a BLACK (herman caine)

Conservatives have become very liberal!

They even have sex outside of marriage.....!

and some of them smoke pot!

 

[rightwinger]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

Conservatives fought tooth and nail against all of them but they have proven to be such successes that even Republicans support them today

and end to slavery
an end to jim crow
an end to separate but equal
no more back of the bus
no more christian indoctrination in public schools.

and even conservatives would vote for a WOMAN (palin) or a BLACK (herman caine)

Conservatives have become very liberal!

They even have sex outside of marriage.....!

and some of them smoke pot!

In many ways they have remained in the 1950s

 

[anynameyouwish]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

Conservatives fought tooth and nail against all of them but they have proven to be such successes that even Republicans support them today

and end to slavery
an end to jim crow
an end to separate but equal
no more back of the bus
no more christian indoctrination in public schools.

and even conservatives would vote for a WOMAN (palin) or a BLACK (herman caine)

Conservatives have become very liberal!

They even have sex outside of marriage.....!

and some of them smoke pot!

In many ways they have remained in the 1950s

or the 1650;s ?

 

[Blues Man]

I already told you you suck it up and continue to pay the people collecting now. Anyone not collecting gets reimbursed the money taken from them.

You have said it's not a ponzi scheme so this should pose no problems

So someone who is 60 and has paid in for 40 years just gets their contribution back ?

You must be a Trump voter

Why not?

They can get a better rate of return even at that point than what they would get

Their contribution would be around $100,000
Hardly enough to live off of for the rest of your life

Are you counting the employer contribution in that?

I don't think you are

OK...$200,000 for 50 million people
That would be about $2 trillion

Maybe if we revoked Trumps tax cuts, we could pay off all those people

It costs to rectify a mistake.

Why should we allow the government to rob us of the opportunity to retire in a better financial position?

 

[Blues Man]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

OSHA cost business a lot of money complying with strict regulations
But it was preferable to them letting people die in unsafe conditions and then paying the widow a few thousand
Just the cost of doing business

A lot of OSHA regs are flat out bullshit

 

[rightwinger]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

OSHA cost business a lot of money complying with strict regulations
But it was preferable to them letting people die in unsafe conditions and then paying the widow a few thousand
Just the cost of doing business

A lot of OSHA regs are flat out bullshit

Safety usually is.......until you need it
Seat Belts? What Bullshit!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

Conservatives fought tooth and nail against all of them but they have proven to be such successes that even Repuplicans support them today

Now you are just trolling.
You didn't mention civil rights?
Hmm...

 

[anynameyouwish]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

OSHA cost business a lot of money complying with strict regulations
But it was preferable to them letting people die in unsafe conditions and then paying the widow a few thousand
Just the cost of doing business

A lot of OSHA regs are flat out bullshit

Care to list them?

 

[Blues Man]

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

OSHA cost business a lot of money complying with strict regulations
But it was preferable to them letting people die in unsafe conditions and then paying the widow a few thousand
Just the cost of doing business

A lot of OSHA regs are flat out bullshit

Safety usually is.......until you need it
Seat Belts? What Bullshit!

you've never had to comply with OSHA regs have you?

most of them are 100% useless and do nothing to keep anyone safe.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Environmental Protection was passed nearly unanimously and signed by Nixon. Since that time, Conservatives have turned against it to the point Trump refuses to enforce it

EPA has ensured we have clean air, rivers, uncontaminated land

I believe you are wrong here. Like with almost any government program, the bureaucrats went regulation crazy and started passing regulations that did little good but came with an exorbitant cost.

Everyone wants clean air and water. But we simply cannot afford PRISTINE air and water.

Mark

EPA set strict standards
Yea , we know it saves you money dumping your contaminants directly in the river

It has been a major success
I remember pre 1970 America

"I remember pre 1970 America"


Me, too.

I remember the GREEN (heavily polluted) rivers and streams.

The accounts of kids getting sick and dying from playing in playgrounds where toxic waste was dumped.

 

[toobfreak]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

Let’s look at gays before gay rights legislation
They were routinely beaten up by rednecks who would say...... that fag tried to grope me so I hit him
They were afraid to admit they were gay because they would lose their jobs
If they were in the military they could get arrested
They could not marry the person they loved
What were you saying about cakes?

Fine so you isolated a particular instance of injustice. All they had to do is not go around telling people they were gay or acting overtly queer and they could avoid 90% of all that! Don't you see, EVERYONE goes through things like that in one way, time or another, all the law has done is elevate them now to a SPECIAL CLASS while ignoring the problems of 10,000 other situations! Worse, it has now foisted some of the injustice they used to face now onto the laps of other people. The law solved nothing but move things around. Had it not been for the new special gay laws, a religious couple trying to merely run a quiet bakery could have protected their own religious interests and a gay couple would have merely said, Oh well, we'll go try the bakery two blocks down the street, instead, it became a FEDERAL matter costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars and almost costing them their lives and business!

All the "law" has done is create a BIGGER problem for a new set of people. Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have. And now many gays are leveraging that power against those they don't like. Government solves everything by force with threat of a gun. You never really solve anything that way and now a new problem simply exists for more people than before, meantime all other problems for other people have been ignored. The idea that you can solve everything with a new law has only led us to a gigantic, oppressive government and an over-regulated society.

 

[80zephyr]

Environmental Protection was passed nearly unanimously and signed by Nixon. Since that time, Conservatives have turned against it to the point Trump refuses to enforce it

EPA has ensured we have clean air, rivers, uncontaminated land

I believe you are wrong here. Like with almost any government program, the bureaucrats went regulation crazy and started passing regulations that did little good but came with an exorbitant cost.

Everyone wants clean air and water. But we simply cannot afford PRISTINE air and water.

Mark

EPA set strict standards
Yea , we know it saves you money dumping your contaminants directly in the river

It has been a major success
I remember pre 1970 America

No one has a problem with strict standards. They do have a problem with unreasonable standards. There always has to be a cost/benefit analysis done when enacting these regulations. The eco-zealots have went beyond reasonable.

Mark

 

[anynameyouwish]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

Let’s look at gays before gay rights legislation
They were routinely beaten up by rednecks who would say...... that fag tried to grope me so I hit him
They were afraid to admit they were gay because they would lose their jobs
If they were in the military they could get arrested
They could not marry the person they loved
What were you saying about cakes?

Fine so you isolated a particular instance of injustice. All they had to do is not go around telling people they were gay or acting overtly queer and they could avoid 90% of all that! Don't you see, EVERYONE goes through things like that in one way, time or another, all the law has done is elevate them now to a SPECIAL CLASS while ignoring the problems of 10,000 other situations! Worse, it has now foisted some of the injustice they used to face now onto the laps of other people. The law solved nothing but move things around. Had it not been for the new special gay laws, a religious couple trying to merely run a quiet bakery could have protected their own religious interests and a gay couple would have merely said, Oh well, we'll go try the bakery two blocks down the street, instead, it became a FEDERAL matter costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars and almost costing them their lives and business!

All the "law" has done is create a BIGGER problem for a new set of people. Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have. And now many gays are leveraging that power against those they don't like. Government solves everything by force with threat of a gun. You never really solve anything that way and now a new problem simply exists for more people than before, meantime all other problems for other people have been ignored. The idea that you can solve everything with a new law has only led us to a gigantic, oppressive government and an over-regulated society.

"Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have."


I don't see any "special status" or "power"

Personally I don't think ANY like-minded group of Americans should have "special status" or "power". Not even conservative christians or white males.

 

[rightwinger]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

Conservatives fought tooth and nail against all of them but they have proven to be such successes that even Repuplicans support them today

Now you are just trolling.
You didn't mention civil rights?
Hmm...

Not if you read the responses on this thread

 

[rightwinger]

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

Let’s look at gays before gay rights legislation
They were routinely beaten up by rednecks who would say...... that fag tried to grope me so I hit him
They were afraid to admit they were gay because they would lose their jobs
If they were in the military they could get arrested
They could not marry the person they loved
What were you saying about cakes?

Fine so you isolated a particular instance of injustice. All they had to do is not go around telling people they were gay or acting overtly queer and they could avoid 90% of all that! Don't you see, EVERYONE goes through things like that in one way, time or another, all the law has done is elevate them now to a SPECIAL CLASS while ignoring the problems of 10,000 other situations! Worse, it has now foisted some of the injustice they used to face now onto the laps of other people. The law solved nothing but move things around. Had it not been for the new special gay laws, a religious couple trying to merely run a quiet bakery could have protected their own religious interests and a gay couple would have merely said, Oh well, we'll go try the bakery two blocks down the street, instead, it became a FEDERAL matter costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars and almost costing them their lives and business!

All the "law" has done is create a BIGGER problem for a new set of people. Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have. And now many gays are leveraging that power against those they don't like. Government solves everything by force with threat of a gun. You never really solve anything that way and now a new problem simply exists for more people than before, meantime all other problems for other people have been ignored. The idea that you can solve everything with a new law has only led us to a gigantic, oppressive government and an over-regulated society.

"Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have."


I don't see any "special status" or "power"

Personally I don't think ANY like-minded group of Americans should have "special status" or "power". Not even conservative christians or white males.

I don’t see many conservatives clamoring for that special status

 

[rightwinger]

Environmental Protection was passed nearly unanimously and signed by Nixon. Since that time, Conservatives have turned against it to the point Trump refuses to enforce it

EPA has ensured we have clean air, rivers, uncontaminated land

I believe you are wrong here. Like with almost any government program, the bureaucrats went regulation crazy and started passing regulations that did little good but came with an exorbitant cost.

Everyone wants clean air and water. But we simply cannot afford PRISTINE air and water.

Mark

EPA set strict standards
Yea , we know it saves you money dumping your contaminants directly in the river

It has been a major success
I remember pre 1970 America

No one has a problem with strict standards. They do have a problem with unreasonable standards. There always has to be a cost/benefit analysis done when enacting these regulations. The eco-zealots have went beyond reasonable.

Mark

Benefits over how long a period?
Costs are short term. Environmental impacts can be lasting

 

[rightwinger]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

Let’s look at gays before gay rights legislation
They were routinely beaten up by rednecks who would say...... that fag tried to grope me so I hit him
They were afraid to admit they were gay because they would lose their jobs
If they were in the military they could get arrested
They could not marry the person they loved
What were you saying about cakes?

Fine so you isolated a particular instance of injustice. All they had to do is not go around telling people they were gay or acting overtly queer and they could avoid 90% of all that! Don't you see, EVERYONE goes through things like that in one way, time or another, all the law has done is elevate them now to a SPECIAL CLASS while ignoring the problems of 10,000 other situations! Worse, it has now foisted some of the injustice they used to face now onto the laps of other people. The law solved nothing but move things around. Had it not been for the new special gay laws, a religious couple trying to merely run a quiet bakery could have protected their own religious interests and a gay couple would have merely said, Oh well, we'll go try the bakery two blocks down the street, instead, it became a FEDERAL matter costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars and almost costing them their lives and business!

All the "law" has done is create a BIGGER problem for a new set of people. Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have. And now many gays are leveraging that power against those they don't like. Government solves everything by force with threat of a gun. You never really solve anything that way and now a new problem simply exists for more people than before, meantime all other problems for other people have been ignored. The idea that you can solve everything with a new law has only led us to a gigantic, oppressive government and an over-regulated society.

What a despicable response

 

[80zephyr]

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

Let’s look at gays before gay rights legislation
They were routinely beaten up by rednecks who would say...... that fag tried to grope me so I hit him
They were afraid to admit they were gay because they would lose their jobs
If they were in the military they could get arrested
They could not marry the person they loved
What were you saying about cakes?

Fine so you isolated a particular instance of injustice. All they had to do is not go around telling people they were gay or acting overtly queer and they could avoid 90% of all that! Don't you see, EVERYONE goes through things like that in one way, time or another, all the law has done is elevate them now to a SPECIAL CLASS while ignoring the problems of 10,000 other situations! Worse, it has now foisted some of the injustice they used to face now onto the laps of other people. The law solved nothing but move things around. Had it not been for the new special gay laws, a religious couple trying to merely run a quiet bakery could have protected their own religious interests and a gay couple would have merely said, Oh well, we'll go try the bakery two blocks down the street, instead, it became a FEDERAL matter costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars and almost costing them their lives and business!

All the "law" has done is create a BIGGER problem for a new set of people. Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have. And now many gays are leveraging that power against those they don't like. Government solves everything by force with threat of a gun. You never really solve anything that way and now a new problem simply exists for more people than before, meantime all other problems for other people have been ignored. The idea that you can solve everything with a new law has only led us to a gigantic, oppressive government and an over-regulated society.

"Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have."


I don't see any "special status" or "power"

Personally I don't think ANY like-minded group of Americans should have "special status" or "power". Not even conservative christians or white males.

Environmental Protection was passed nearly unanimously and signed by Nixon. Since that time, Conservatives have turned against it to the point Trump refuses to enforce it

EPA has ensured we have clean air, rivers, uncontaminated land

I believe you are wrong here. Like with almost any government program, the bureaucrats went regulation crazy and started passing regulations that did little good but came with an exorbitant cost.

Everyone wants clean air and water. But we simply cannot afford PRISTINE air and water.

Mark

EPA set strict standards
Yea , we know it saves you money dumping your contaminants directly in the river

It has been a major success
I remember pre 1970 America

No one has a problem with strict standards. They do have a problem with unreasonable standards. There always has to be a cost/benefit analysis done when enacting these regulations. The eco-zealots have went beyond reasonable.

Mark

Benefits over how long a period?
Costs are short term. Environmental impacts can be lasting

Come on. You truly don't believe that spending billions on iota's is logical, do you?

Mark

 

[toobfreak]

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

Let’s look at gays before gay rights legislation
They were routinely beaten up by rednecks who would say...... that fag tried to grope me so I hit him
They were afraid to admit they were gay because they would lose their jobs
If they were in the military they could get arrested
They could not marry the person they loved
What were you saying about cakes?

Fine so you isolated a particular instance of injustice. All they had to do is not go around telling people they were gay or acting overtly queer and they could avoid 90% of all that! Don't you see, EVERYONE goes through things like that in one way, time or another, all the law has done is elevate them now to a SPECIAL CLASS while ignoring the problems of 10,000 other situations! Worse, it has now foisted some of the injustice they used to face now onto the laps of other people. The law solved nothing but move things around. Had it not been for the new special gay laws, a religious couple trying to merely run a quiet bakery could have protected their own religious interests and a gay couple would have merely said, Oh well, we'll go try the bakery two blocks down the street, instead, it became a FEDERAL matter costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars and almost costing them their lives and business!

All the "law" has done is create a BIGGER problem for a new set of people. Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have. And now many gays are leveraging that power against those they don't like. Government solves everything by force with threat of a gun. You never really solve anything that way and now a new problem simply exists for more people than before, meantime all other problems for other people have been ignored. The idea that you can solve everything with a new law has only led us to a gigantic, oppressive government and an over-regulated society.

"Gays are not normal, but we've decided to accept them. But they should not be given a special status with power over us that other people don't have."
I don't see any "special status" or "power"
Personally I don't think ANY like-minded group of Americans should have "special status" or "power". Not even conservative christians or white males.

You don't see conservative Christians or whites with the power to call the EOC or someone else and cry that a bakery wouldn't make your cake and rather than have them tell you to GET A FUCKING LIFE and try going to another bakery and slamming the phone on you instead have the full force of the federal government come out under the power of the Attorney General to slam your business down and stand on your neck till you can't breathe do you? I don't!

You don't see businesses and individuals cower in fear of being accused of being a racist (anti-black, because they are the only race I guess) or sexist because THESE groups haven't been given elite status, do you?

The very fact that being called "racist" presumes you are anti-black shows the highest racism of all. It means you can hate whites or anyone else all you want, and that is OK because again, no one's going to slam you down. Unless it is a black calling you a racist.

Gays have been given such lofty status that now gayness is being PROMOTED on television in practically every TV show and movie, and sexism promoted in the form of replacing formerly white male roles with women even when it doesn't make any sense, rather than create a new role for themselves. Women are even portrayed and promoted as being finally independent of white men and no longer needing them like we were some kind of a weight and chain.

It has gone to the point of the government and political correctness in the media being SO anti-white male christian now that they've even invented a new catch phrase for it all and they call it: WHITE PRIVILEGE, when in fact, whites have no privileges left, they've all been taken away and given to gays, blacks and now women BY FORCE, and now, whites have more things going against them than anyone.

And Rightwinger is 100% for all of this injustice, you can tell because he THANKED your post!